Gay conservatives/Republicans

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[jdoe4822]

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[01solara]

The Obamaites get pretty testy when conservatives speak out the oh so tolerant left gets really angry and nasty when conservatives speak out. They get called racist, intolerant, bigoted and uneducated and those are among the nicer things. their venom is not restricted to republicans either. the minute a democrat doesn't follow the line the are attacked the same as the rest. Examples are posts in the sarah Palin thread where people desperately seek her death. I don't think they're kidding either. The weakness of their arguments leads them to the use of name calling and personal insults that while loved and appreciated here may not sell as well in a normal not hardcore left environment.

 

[yeeeaaahhh]

This is interesting to me. I was reading today about various gay political groups, one of those being the Log Cabin Republicans. It just makes no sense to me how a person could be an active republican and gay. I mean, your own party does not support you. Hell, many of them think that you chose this lifestyle. It just makes no sense.

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The Obamaites get pretty testy when conservatives speak out the oh so tolerant left gets really angry and nasty when conservatives speak out. They get called racist, intolerant, bigoted and uneducated and those are among the nicer things. their venom is not restricted to republicans either. the minute a democrat doesn't follow the line the are attacked the same as the rest. Examples are posts in the sarah Palin thread where people desperately seek her death. I don't think they're kidding either. The weakness of their arguments leads them to the use of name calling and personal insults that while loved and appreciated here may not sell as well in a normal not hardcore left environment.

I actually reverted to name calling when I was an uneducated republican. It wasn't until I had a college education and a look at real life to see that republicanism is just not a viable option. Once that change occurred, my argumentative style went from insults to the use of real facts, data, statistics, etc.
It is just impossible to be a republican and an educated person... well and a humanist. I suppose if you didn't care about humanity at all, then being an educated republican would work out just fine.

 

[DanikShade]

I'm fiscally conservative and socially more liberal although I'm not even close to either party. Its amusing how many of my friends try to shove me into the Republican mix. It would seem that that they who scream loudest about stereotypes resort to... stereo...types... lol how funny is that?

I was a registered Republican, I thoroughly bought into the mantra. Its only been in the last 10 years that I've become extremely independent. For instance I think one of the greatest political figures of the last few decades was Zel Miller. He was a blue dog Democrat, fiercely independent, and very popular with his state up to his retirement.

The two parties have come so close to being the same these days that its hard to tell one from the other. I imagine I give my representatives fits because they'll get an email from me one week screaming to high heaven about a same sex issue, and then the following week they get one screaming about higher taxes and having to pay for someone else's medical care. I'd imagine I confuse the hell out of them lol.

For the record tho I am not the least bit repentant about being a die hard conservative, and I see absolutely no conflict of interest with that and being gay. They aren't remotely related. I want the government the hell out of my wallet and other than that they can do as they please.

PS- Obama, while obviously a decent man and a gifted speaker ( if there's a teleprompter handy ) I believe will be seen poorly by history. Think of your own bank account. When your out of funds you don't double down and hit the mall. You QUIT SPENDING THE FUCKING MONEY UNTIL THE ECONOMY RECOVERS! Then you'll have all kinds of money for health care, global warming, etc etc etc. Driving the dollar into the dirt did NOTHING for his credibility as a leader. Wish I'd voted for Hillary now lol.

 

[bankside]

For the record tho I am not the least bit repentant about being a die hard conservative, and I see absolutely no conflict of interest with that and being gay. They aren't remotely related. I want the government the hell out of my wallet and other than that they can do as they please.

I'm deeply conservative when it comes to finances. I'd make Margaret Thatcher look like a left-wing Italian politician. But I want the government the hell out of my bedroom and I want them the hell away from the pulpit long before I worry about taxes and spending. I'm disgusted with north American conservatism, and I tune out as a potential voter because of their block-headed inability to keep their hands off of public morality. I honestly don't understand how anyone can tolerate it, nor do I accept that they should.

I just don't get how anyone would vote for an ideologically-beholden party that endorses treating a gay individual as anything less than a full citizen, and acts indistinguishably from any crack-pot third world theocrat on matters of morality.

So, if you want to talk tax reform, I'm your man. Otherwise, bugger off!

 

[DanikShade]

The Obamaites get pretty testy when conservatives speak out the oh so tolerant left gets really angry and nasty when conservatives speak out. They get called racist, intolerant, bigoted and uneducated and those are among the nicer things. their venom is not restricted to republicans either. the minute a democrat doesn't follow the line the are attacked the same as the rest. Examples are posts in the sarah Palin thread where people desperately seek her death. I don't think they're kidding either. The weakness of their arguments leads them to the use of name calling and personal insults that while loved and appreciated here may not sell as well in a normal not hardcore left environment.

Well said. I like to think that I respect the opinions of my friends. I don't attack them personally for not agreeing with me. Oh dear God, if I criticize something the President has said or a policy he's in favor of? The gloves come off and I am obviously incapable of understanding reality and I was born of a rabid animal in Siam and I'm a war monger yada yada yada yada lol. I've said it before and I'll say it again, those who whine about respect the loudest generally are un-willing to give it in return.

I personally didn't vote for the President but he is the President now so although we disagree he is due that respect from me. Try getting one of my friends to make a similar comment about Bush. No one man could've personally destroyed the free world the way the press and most of the posters here would have you believe. I'm not here to defend or attack President Bush but I make 2 points. He did favor and still favors civil unions, and no President is capable of acting alone. Congress must act WITH the President or nothing happens. Its the way the whole thing works. so one guy takes all the shit and the 500+ members of Congress take a pass? Um, not.

 

[DanikShade]

I'm disgusted with north American conservatism, and I tune out as a potential voter because of their block-headed inability to keep their hands off of public morality. I honestly don't understand how anyone can tolerate it, nor do I accept that they should.

Wow. You sound just like one of................. them?

You don't need to replace many words in your statement to make it sound like a christ-nazi attack on fags, know what I mean? I intend no personal insult, I'm just pointing out that we tend to be as intolerant as they are, and our hatred is no less focused than thiers. Just an observation. Doesn't leave a lot of room to negotiate does it?

 

[DanikShade]

Are you an economics major? Or minor? Ever take any economics course? Have you ever walked past a room in which an economics course was being taught?

Just a BA in Business, not much. You are a snide little fellow aren't you? Its almost impossible for you to comment without going on the attack isn't it? That's ok. I understand.

 

[jJoEd77]

i havent found many people who totally support everything on either the democratic or republican platforms. you can not agree with how your party deals with gay rights but you can still label yourself as such. i went to the libertarian party's website and found that i agree with 92.3% of their stances on many many a issue so i consider myself a libertarian...
do i make sense?

i was a republican until recently...

 

[bankside]

Wow. You sound just like one of................. them?

You don't need to replace many words in your statement to make it sound like a christ-nazi attack on fags, know what I mean? I intend no personal insult, I'm just pointing out that we tend to be as intolerant as they are, and our hatred is no less focused than thiers. Just an observation. Doesn't leave a lot of room to negotiate does it?

Meh. Show me a fiscal conservative who stands at the tallest podium he can find and complains about moral regulation as much as he complains about regulation of industry.

I can't think of one. I know they must be out there, but I do pay attention to the company I keep, and the right-of-centre political parties in North America are filled with theocratic morons.

I'm pretty certain I'd be a conservative voter in the UK.

 

[Kulindahr]

I actually reverted to name calling when I was an uneducated republican. It wasn't until I had a college education and a look at real life to see that republicanism is just not a viable option. Once that change occurred, my argumentative style went from insults to the use of real facts, data, statistics, etc.
It is just impossible to be a republican and an educated person... well and a humanist. I suppose if you didn't care about humanity at all, then being an educated republican would work out just fine.

Nonsense.

I've known quite a number of educated Republicans, and they were Republicans because they cared about people and the country. They wanted people to be free of the vast array of government regulations that stifle the ability to start one's own business, use one's own land profitably for your family, and -- for the poor, especially -- be able to keep what one has earned. They wanted people to be able to stand up to criminals. They wanted people to not have to see their children facing an ever-mounting national debt.

They can't stand the Republican Party as it is, but where are they to go? The Democrats love regulations, are intolerant of private property, don't really like people owning their own businesses, and have tended for several decades to be pro-criminal -- though they've finally come around to wanting to help the victims, yet only after the fact. And Democrats haven't exactly been shining examples of restraining the national debt.

They are also aware of a gap -- one that has been closing somewhat -- that brought about an ironic bit of humor back before Bush I: What's the difference between a generous conservative and a generous liberal? The conservative uses his own money. They are humanists, but they prefer the freedom to give where they please, and not have someone else take their money and pay bureaucrats immense salaries to decide where it goes; they are aware that charitable giving suffers when taxes reduce giving power -- and when being taxed leads people to believe they've done something for someone else, so they don't bother to do anything themselves.

These are people who would likely fit better in the Libertarian Party, but for various reasons don't move.

 

[Kulindahr]

I'm fiscally conservative and socially more liberal although I'm not even close to either party. Its amusing how many of my friends try to shove me into the Republican mix. It would seem that that they who scream loudest about stereotypes resort to... stereo...types... lol how funny is that?

I was a registered Republican, I thoroughly bought into the mantra. Its only been in the last 10 years that I've become extremely independent. For instance I think one of the greatest political figures of the last few decades was Zel Miller. He was a blue dog Democrat, fiercely independent, and very popular with his state up to his retirement.

The two parties have come so close to being the same these days that its hard to tell one from the other. I imagine I give my representatives fits because they'll get an email from me one week screaming to high heaven about a same sex issue, and then the following week they get one screaming about higher taxes and having to pay for someone else's medical care. I'd imagine I confuse the hell out of them lol.

For the record tho I am not the least bit repentant about being a die hard conservative, and I see absolutely no conflict of interest with that and being gay. They aren't remotely related. I want the government the hell out of my wallet and other than that they can do as they please.

PS- Obama, while obviously a decent man and a gifted speaker ( if there's a teleprompter handy ) I believe will be seen poorly by history. Think of your own bank account. When your out of funds you don't double down and hit the mall. You QUIT SPENDING THE FUCKING MONEY UNTIL THE ECONOMY RECOVERS! Then you'll have all kinds of money for health care, global warming, etc etc etc. Driving the dollar into the dirt did NOTHING for his credibility as a leader. Wish I'd voted for Hillary now lol.

You sound like you're really a libertarian. It's too bad the people in charge of the Libertarian Party haven't gotten anyone charismatic to make their case, and draw people like you in. If everyone who qualifies as libertarian on the World's Smallest Political Quiz joined the Libertarian Party, it would have over 40% of the country -- and change the face of America back toward liberty.

And that means gays being really equal, without needing specific laws saying so, because all laws making one group special with respect to others (that means marriage, among others) would be tossed.

 

[Kulindahr]

Wow. You sound just like one of................. them?

You don't need to replace many words in your statement to make it sound like a christ-nazi attack on fags, know what I mean? I intend no personal insult, I'm just pointing out that we tend to be as intolerant as they are, and our hatred is no less focused than thiers. Just an observation. Doesn't leave a lot of room to negotiate does it?

One can be intolerant toward someone without hating them. I have no tolerance for the politics of right-wing Christians, but I have a great deal of patience when it comes to dealing with individuals or small groups, and patiently explaining to them the facts of the matter (like, Jesus nevers admonishes anyone to bring back the Old Testament laws...). If there's an emotion I feel toward them, it's sadness mixed with pity, because they hold in their hands the most loving message ever proclaimed... and they may as well have never read it.

There needs to be water in a pump for the pump to even start. I can attest to this as a pool manager and mechanic It seems to reason the same holds true for economic growth. Even the Republican Governor of Mississippi agreed with the bailout in principle, and did not former President Bush sign such a bill into law? The devil is in the details though...isn't it?

LOL

I learned that lesson before being a pool manager, but I can attest to it from there as well.
Unfortunately, the economy is a bit more complex than a swimming pool circulation pump, or even than the whole circulation/filtering system. Even so, people discuss it as though it was.

 

[JB3]

This is interesting to me. I was reading today about various gay political groups, one of those being the Log Cabin Republicans. It just makes no sense to me how a person could be an active republican and gay. I mean, your own party does not support you. Hell, many of them think that you chose this lifestyle. It just makes no sense.

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I actually reverted to name calling when I was an uneducated republican. It wasn't until I had a college education and a look at real life to see that republicanism is just not a viable option. Once that change occurred, my argumentative style went from insults to the use of real facts, data, statistics, etc.
It is just impossible to be a republican and an educated person... well and a humanist. I suppose if you didn't care about humanity at all, then being an educated republican would work out just fine.

Are you serious? //Is he serious?//

I'm gay, a republican, and will soon hold a masters degree. I'm smarter than you, more tolerant than you, and I know a helluva lot more smart, tolerant republicans than you know smart, tolerant liberals.

I'm proud to be a republican. Why? Because we don't believe that the government needs to control every aspect of our lives, that man is able to govern themselves without a massive governing apparatus telling us what to do.

Do I agree with many republican's stance on gays? Absolutely not. But what makes the party valuable to me is that that doesn't matter. We don't vilify those that disagree with us in the party. We don't turn on each other whenever it suits us politically. We believe what we believe, and that's the end of it.

 

[DanikShade]

You sound like you're really a libertarian. It's too bad the people in charge of the Libertarian Party haven't gotten anyone charismatic to make their case, and draw people like you in. If everyone who qualifies as libertarian on the World's Smallest Political Quiz joined the Libertarian Party, it would have over 40% of the country -- and change the face of America back toward liberty.

And that means gays being really equal, without needing specific laws saying so, because all laws making one group special with respect to others (that means marriage, among others) would be tossed.

You nailed a very interesting point. Finding a person that can draw the masses is a challenge for all of the parties and it also shows us the answer that most people have forgotten. We have all the power, we just find it more convenient to be apathetic. For instance in this thread there are numerous comments about the economy. We blame big business, we blame Congress, we blame Bush, we blame our neighbor that just bought a nice car, etc etc etc but the truth is no one holds anyone accountable for anything. Sounds simplistic but its really just that simple. Capitalism is a perfect business model because competition and ingenuity are built in. That is until someone gets greedy and corrupts the system. Instead of holding the person or persons responsible we seem to blame it on the process and let the individual off with a slapped hand.

Example: Our current mess finds its origins in the mortgage meltdown which finds its origins in loosened lending practices which finds its origins with Barney Frank and Chris Dodd about 15 years ago. Congress refuses to investigate this because they are good democrats and Pelosi covers those that cover her, etc etc etc. I am NOT suggesting they are any worse or better than the Republicans who also have numerous examples of CYOA.

The point is the American People lost 2 TRILLION dollars in combined wealth because of the greed of few, not because the capitalist model is flawed. And We the People have done NOTHING to bring anyone to justice, Republican or Democrat.

I do find myself agreeing with the Libertarian model, but you are so right, they are beyond boring and attract little real interest. This is sad because they could be a serious boon to gay rights. However to be a good gay you have to slobber all over the chosen Democrat candidate or so it seems because its trendy and socially acceptable among "our type".

 

[01solara]

I actually reverted to name calling when I was an uneducated republican. It wasn't until I had a college education and a look at real life to see that republicanism is just not a viable option. Once that change occurred, my argumentative style went from insults to the use of real facts, data, statistics, etc.
It is just impossible to be a republican and an educated person... well and a humanist. I suppose if you didn't care about humanity at all, then being an educated republican would work out just fine.[/QUOTE]

There was a study last year that overwhelmingly found that conservatives give far more to charity than liberals. Liberal people tend to worry about others problems and try to solve them with others money. Conservatives try to solve peoples problems by using their own money and time. If your think the government controlled media is going to focus on anything helpful or positive for conservatives you are deluded. If you want the truth now more than ever you must dig for it. If you allow the media to spoon feed you their opinion you will be sorely misinformed. Educated people be they left or right wing can debate ideas with passion and vigor without stooping to personal attacks and name calling. I didn't agree with Bill Clinton on much and don't agree with Barak Hussein Obama on anything. I however will not sink to the level on name calling and death wishes these are not helpful and would hurt my own credibility. I have discussions with liberals and democrats often and I usually win because I stay informed and know the facts. Their opinions are based more on feeling and emotion and facts win the day the majority of the time

 

[JB3]

Using his middle name to disparage his Islamic heritage is disgraceful and hurts your credibility.

How does quoting his full name do that?

If he had said "Barack Hussein Obama, that stinking muslim" it would have been different.

This is part of the problem I have. If you're using his full name in a statement (NOT disparagingly) people turn it around and try to make you look racist. When Anne Coulter did it, yeah, it was almost always racist. When he did it, its doubtful that you can make that conclusion.

 

[noah617]

If he had said "Barack Hussein Obama, that stinking muslim" it would have been different.

And if he had referred to William Jefferson Clinton in that same sentence it would be harder to question his motives.

 

[Kulindahr]

Middle names are superfluous in the ordinary course of the English Language. When a middle name is used unordinarily, that invokes a different subtext. Specifically when referenced, it is used by conservatives to disparage his Islamic heritage. The only reason conservatives use his middle name is to invoke the primordial conservative prejudice against Muslims. So innocently or not, it's inappropriate to use Obama's middle name. Do so at your own risk anyway. Using it makes the reader feel you speak against him out of prejudice and not impartial reason.

"Primordial"?

Now who's using extra words to create an emotional impression?