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Gay Homophobe? Your thoughts please...

gewhite3

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I have a friend from when I lived in North Carolina (I lived there until my mid 20's) and his name is John. We were friends for years before I moved here (Central Florida) and a couple of months after I moved, he moved here too. We were that close.

For a while we lived together, and then he left here and moved to Fort Lauderdale, about 3 1/2 hours from here. After this, we lost touch with each other.

I had always thought about him and never forgot about him. He was always there in the back of my mind and for years I it made me crazy to find out where he was and get in touch with him. I just didn't know how to do it. I did internet searches, phone directories, everything I did came up dry.

Well, a couple of months ago I tried something on classmates.com. At this point in time almost 17 years has lapsed!! I searched for him by his last name, which is an unusual one. Well, his sister came up as registered on classmates.com and she was still living in North Carolina (different city though) so I sent her an e-mail message, and she replied with John's cell phone number. He was still in Fort Lauderdale.

So, I called him. When he answered I was in shock. I said "Hello?" and he said the same then "Who's this?" and I told him my name. He was dead silent for about 10 seconds and then he just freaked out (in a good way). Then the conversations began, we were back in touch again finally.

Now, we have regular conversations and talk all of the time. We are also planning on visiting each other soon just so we can see and hug each other, catch up on the times, etc.

Our lives have taken completely different paths. As for me, I have a home, a partner that I have been with for 7 years, his mother who lives with us and his dog (all from Brazil), a career and my life is very stable and happy. I'm completely satisfied with my life.

His life, on the other hand, is in complete turmoil. He has a tendency to fall for the "bad boy" type of guy.....tattoos, long hair, supposedly straight, or bisexual and he has never been able to have a stable relationship because of this. He proceeds to tell me that he wants what I have, a relationship, family, home, etc. So I question his methods of meeting people and tell him that he needs to change and think long term about what he really wants in life.

He is living in a new place just in the last few weeks, the last "bad boy" he was with, a "straight" guy who has 4 kids. Beat him up pretty badly around Christmas last year. He got away from this guy but he's completely obsessed with him. All he can talk about is how he loves this guy and he's so hot, etc. etc. I told him he needs to get a grip and stay away from people like this because of the "if they hit you once, they will hit you again" mantra.

Anyway, I think you get the point of where the current situation stands. So now I am trying to talk common sense to him and help him get on the right track, but it's not easy. He really seems to be attracted to this "bad boy" type of guy that I don't feel will do him any good at all. He has trouble finding anyone else because he says he doesn't like "gay people". He hangs around straight girls and lesbians. I told him "How the hell are you going to meet anyone unless you find some gay friends?" So, I'm trying to encourage him to make changes in his own life if he wants thing to be different, because nobody can do that for him. He needs to do it on his own.

So, here is my question.

Has anybody been through a similar situation and have any advice?

Could he be a homophobe or just intimidated by gay people? Even he told me that is "ex" (the bad boy) told him that he's a homophobe.

Maybe he's afraid of what he truly wants.... a truly decent gay man. So he avoids it by making excuses and avoiding gays altogether.

I'm at a loss here. In any case, so far I have told him that he needs to re-think and reassess the type of person he wants and then make the appropriate changes in his life and habits to meet more of the "right" type of people.

Any help from anyone is appreciated........I thank you for reading this lengthy post. I can provide more details in whatever parts you feel would be helpful, just ask.
 
Re: Gay Homophone? Your thoughts please...

gewhite3,

I was a little confused reading this at first because the title reads "Gay Homophone" and I thought it had to do with language arts, seriously :badgrin: .. now I see it was a typo .. anyway ..

Well, it's clear your friend has some serious issues he has to sort out for himself before he can even begin to find someone that will make him happy. I personally don't think you can do much to actively and directly change his taste in men. But I agree with you that it is possible that he has some homophobic issues that prevent him from developing real gay friendships and ultimately genuine gay (and sane) relationships.

You said you guys are getting together soon. If he comes to see you in Central FL, he'll get a chance to see you and your family and you think perhaps this may make a positive impression on him? Perhaps also you can be a good influence when you visit him in FTL. Maybe he's going to the wrong places to meet guys, and clearly his overzealous social life with females can't be helping much. Go out with him there and take him to places he hasn't discovered yet to meet decent people (assuming you're familiar with FTL - isn't Wilton Manors a good place to start?)

In sum, I think you guys need to reconnect again in person (and frequently until you see some progress, especially when you guys are so geographically close) -- I feel that your positive influence would rub off on him at least a little to make some positive changes, not overnight - but it would be a start. He'll be so grateful later.

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Re: Gay Homophone? Your thoughts please...

I just wanted to second everything Rican said^^^; I can't add anything to his excellent comments except to wish you well and the best of luck with this. Let us know what happens--I'm curious. (I think many of us have been in simular situations and it's really a minefield in how to handle it properly. So, it'd be instructional to all of us to know what finally happened and your 20/20 perspective once it's over.)

(*8*)
 
Re: Gay Homophone? Your thoughts please...

I have to experience with at all. Sorry.
 
Re: Gay Homophone? Your thoughts please...

Thanks guys. THOSE DAMNED HOMOPHONES!!! They don't like to talk on anything technological............ they prefer cans linked together with twine.....LOLOL

Oops, that definitely is a typo and I did mean HOMOPHOBE, so thanks for bringing that to my attention.

RicanDAB,

I definitely think you're right on target. I think I first need to meet up with him and get a complete assessment of the situation. I don't think I can change his attraction nor do I want to. I just want him to look in more productive ways to find a proper relationship, and he told me he wants this so I have hope on this front. If he had shown reluctance or resistance to my help, then I would step back because I truly believe you can only help people who want it.

He is going to come up to Central Florida (Kissimmee) in the next couple of months and spend 2 or 3 days here so we can just reconnect and re-familiarize ourselves with each other. 17 years is a long time to be separated and I cannot begin to know what to expect. However, I do want to help him because I love the guy. He IS family to me by default, we have been through too much crap together through our years of friendship and I can't stand to see people I love in bad situations.

So, we will see how it goes. For now I have phone contact and if anything major changes in his life, he will let me know. I just need to get him hooked up with some positive influences in his life, and the distance between us is going to make this rather difficult. I only hope I can lead by example and maybe seeing how my life is now may influence him in some positive way. I pray for that and I will keep everyone posted on how the situation progresses.

Any other comments or advice is welcome.

And Averageguy, I appreciate your comment as well.
 
Re: Gay Homophone? Your thoughts please...

It sounds to me like he probably needs some counseling beyond what you would be able to offer. What concerns me more than the fact that he isn't interested in relationships with other gay people is that he seeks out relationships that are clearly abusive to him, and still seems to be interested in them even after the abuse takes place. This kind of self-destructive behavior is really unhealthy for him, and is something he probably should try to get sorted out by a professional.
 
Re: Gay Homophone? Your thoughts please...

He needs to seek professional help. Seeking out abusive relationships is a sigh of trauma that has occured in the past, at least in my option. Just be there as a friend but realize the help he needs is propably beyond your capicity to help
 
Re: Gay Homophone? Your thoughts please...

O2, your post makes perfect sense. I feel that you're right as well. I appreciate everyone's input and will provide updates as available.
 
Update:

John called me last night and was in a really good mood. We start chit-chatting and he all of a sudden blurts out that he started seeing a counselor!! Now I haven't even talked to him at all to even suggest this, he started it all on his own. I told him I was really proud of him.

His counselor told him to buy a greeting card he felt was appropriate for the "bad boy" then write all of his feelings on it. Everything he felt, things he would tell him, etc. So he did this.

He is currently holding onto the card and his counselor told him to pick a date to give it to him. When this date comes around, instead of giving it to him, set it on fire and watch it burn. I said: "This is so you can get closure." and he freaked out saying "That's exactly what the counselor said."

He also did something I thought he would never do. He has always had long hair and has never cut it short. He cut it to shoulder length. Now I know you guys don't know him but that is SHOCKING!!!! His hair has been long as long as I have ever known him and the whole time we were separated he told me he never once cut the length.

Everything considered, I think he is moving in the right direction. He called me his angel and told me that this must be the reason that I was brought into his life again at this moment in time.

So he tells me he loves me, and we end the conversation until next time.

I was floored because I didn't expect him to be so accepting of counseling and help, so that speaks volumes to me about what type of person he is.

Now as far as finding him a BF, that's another part of the story and will have to come with later updates. However, I told him that he needs to get these emotional turmoils out of his life first and then move forward as he is ready. So I am relieved to say that I think he's on the right track.

Stay tuned for more as the situation progresses and THANK YOU EVERYONE for listening and giving advice.
 
Good update.

I doubt he is homophobic, I do believe though he is very scared. Of others but more importantly himself. He doesn't know what to do with intimacy, probably even doubts he can be loved, because of this he feels defeated and unwilling to change. He knows what he has, and even when it is shit he is scared to give it up. Usually this leads to a negative feedback cycle of dating the same type of trash again and again.

Glad he is escaping it, glad he is seeking help.

There is probably little doubt he is attracted to the bad boy, adventurous , spontaneous, mischievous type of boy. There is a difference between this attraction and liking total abusive scum though. As for dating other more normal people, he may or may not have. The times he probably tried though if I were to guess, he was so nervous, so anxious, so afriad of getting outside his box, he didn't really, and he ran back to it to preserve himself. He needs support, he needs slight pushing, but mostly he needs a friend, someone to hold on if he starts to fall similar to training reals, giving him enough safety while he learns to date real people.

Of course I can be totally off the mark. I need more information, I need to get a feel of him and how he would react in certain situations, before I can be really helpful.
 
Well keep us update, but more importantly be their as a friend, be there as a support push him gently to try new things (like why don't we do this for a change, remember though if you don't' like it its okay I am here for you) but don't make him do anything he doesn't want to do :)
 
ge,

Thanks for the update ... that is great to hear! Are you guys gonna get together soon? Just think how much more progress he'll make the more you guys meet up in person and you get to re-acquaint. Once his own value system is intact he will surely attract beautiful people (on the inside and/or outside). I look forward to more good news ...

Def. keep us posted! ..|
 
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