Gay Marriage Question

[cAndId]

I'm just plain bad at analogies. I see similarities in racial vs gay or whatever, but it seems incomparable. Sure, some things are the same, but a lot isn't as well. It just seems like an odd comparison to me.

I am not an expert and my opinion probably doesnt carry a lot of weight, but if there is anyone whose opinion carries the most weight - its this wonderful women:

After the killing of Matthew Sheppard:

The late Coretta Scott King, widow of Dr. Martin Luther King, wrote to Judy Shepard expressing her sympathy and expressing her belief that civil rights include gay and lesbian rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Sheppard

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

It's nuts that a bunch of gay people are even arguing this. Yes Yes Yes. We deserve to be fucking equal. Marriage shouldn't be a state issue anyway. Everyone straight, and gay should have civil unions, and let the religious institutions take care of marriage. This makes everyone equal.

If people just wanted that, then it'd happen. But they want "marriage" not "civil unions."

 

[CuriousMonkey]

What a lovely way to talk to an 18 year old who is obviously in the process of forming opinions and coming to terms with a gay lifestyle. I'm sure your tone will be constued as most helpfull in increasing the young mans awareness of the bigger issues that he may (or may not) have missed.

In the UK we have the Civil Partnership Act which deals with the items you mention and so perhaps Sebbles as never had experience of the "down side" of not allowing such partnerships to exist.

I agree with where you are coming from but I don't feel comfortable with the way you portrayed your points. This site should be a place where people can listen to these sometimes new points of view (maybe they have never had anyone to discuss them with before) and perhaps grow with it. Refering to someones opinions as "idiotic" is suely less than helpful to this end.

Thanks for pointing that out - I'll try to keep that in mind in all future posts. Aplogoies to s3bbbl3s for my tone, but I hope y'all can understand how agitated one becomes at a legal system that calls itself fair and in turn systematically identifies rights that will be allowed to some and denied to others.

Here's the law where I live, put into effect 2 years ago:

(O)nly marriage between one man and one woman shall be recognized as valid in this state. No other relationship shall be recognized as a marriage or its legal equivalent by the state, its political subdivisions, or educational institutions under Article VII, regardless of whether such relationship is recognized by the laws of any jurisdiction outside of this state.​

 

[bma1983]

i for one am against gay marriage or civil wedding. if we keep pushing for wedding and marriage it aint gonna happen. well at least not now or the very near future. how many states had banned this already???? actually it's the marriage and wedding that freaks them out. what's wrong with civil union??? and if that's all we gonna get for now, fine... even discrimination didn't end overnight they had to fight for it for years and years.

hopefully when they see that the stockmarket didn't crash. that heterosexual marriages still divorcing each other. they could still send people in iraq and too many too mention scenarios... then they would see that civil union doesn't affect the society or the country for that matter.. then we might get our gay marriage.. but for now let's just be content for what they can give us. and let's just keep on fighting.

You start out by saying you're against gay marriage and civil weddings, but you end saying let's just keep on fighting. If you're against gay marriage and civil weddings what are you fighting for?

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

As Margaret Cho says, "all gay makeup artists and wedding coordinators should just quit. Try doing your own make-up. Try doing your own floral arrangement. Aw, boo hoo, who's fucked now?"

 

[latigolad78374]

I just came back from visiting my lover of 26 years in the Cardiac Care Unit of the hospital. Since saturday I have had free entrance to CCU at any time I wanted with no question. Today the head nurse ( I can tell because the knees of her uniform are dirty) asked me if I was family. I had to lie again and tell her I was his brother. I got to visit only 30 mins.
This hospital has been good to me for 3 other times he has been in there they have never questioned my being there. Just this one bitch today.
He has two brothers, a sister and a stepsister. Only the stepsister has visited him. I'm sure that if he passes before me that his brothers and sister will be on my doorstep to get his property that legally belongs to them. The day after the funeral, I'm certain.
Now tell me again why I shouldn't be able to marry? Or have legal rights to his property that we have acquired together.

 

[Kulindahr]

And what's ironic to me is you sort of claim that the Libertarians are the party y' 'all' call home, but they probably have repudiated the need to bother w/very strange, fringe movements that you clearly support. I couldn't be bothered to check out the post butchering platform... can you refer me to the section where they probably took the 'Marriage-out-of-government' plan out? Again... let me help you out... the "Libertarian Reform Caucus"... heard of them?

Ah, the politician shows his skill -- don't answer what was said, answer something you wanted to, instead!

I haven't noticed myself supporting any fringe movements, not that such is a concern -- after all, the Founding Fathers started out the Revolution as a "fringe movement". And I've never particularly cared if there was a plank about getting the government out of the marriage business, because that's a logical and necessary result of the First Amendment.
And yes, I've heard of the Libertarian Reform Caucus, and I think they're a healthy thing. They haven't made the LPUSA "libertarian in name only", despite that much-repeated accusation -- a phrase that came, according to libertarian mags I get, from the ivory-tower, unconnected-with-reality types who used to be in charge... you know, the sort who somehow think the LP can elect a president who will by executive order auction off the national parks, pardon 7/8 of today's prison and jail populations, open the borders, etc. (not that the borders are very well closed!).

 

[bma1983]

You start out by saying what are you fighting for?

does this also makes sense to you????

No it doesn't, so why did you change what I typed?