gay muslim

[JOHN001]

Thanks for god that I'm Muslim.The Islam is the besl bless I have.I love God so much .I believe that prophet MOHAMMED(peace upon him) has been the humblest ,the most indulgent and peaceable human being on the whole Earth.I'm gay,yet I'm cotent what I am , and I'm against having homosexual affair because It's forbidden not only in ISlam but also in all the religions.I have never had sex with men ,and i will never do it ;cause I wanna go to paradise not to hell .Life's mortal ,but heaven's eternal .Everything Islam has forbidden is for man sake.Please read about Islam and how it's indulgent.and don't listen to these people who distort Islam like binladden.

 

[Andreus]

thanks for your post

Muhammed PBUH spoke very little about homosexuality and many of what he said is conflicted in other surah

dont confuse hadith with the Qu'ran

be safe and love who you are

 

[JOHN001]

What mouhammed (peace upon him) isn't conflicted with quran at all . please don't judge if you don't know much about Islam . And THanks

 

[Andreus]

What mouhammed (peace upon him) isn't conflicted with quran at all . please don't judge if you don't know much about Islam . And THanks

oh i know much about Islam

I am Muslim

I am Ijtihad and we believe that we must read every word of the Prophets writings PBUH, that it is our own personal responsibility, and we must make our OWN decisions on what it means. We are dedicated to not just blindly following what we have been told. We are committed to the process of letting him speak to us through the ages.

please

take the time to read it all for yourself and DONT read the hadith until you have read the entire Qu'ran at least five times or more.

All blessings

 

[JOHN001]

If you are confident ,give me hadith conflicted with surah from Quran

 

[JOHN001]

I acknowledge that I do not know much about some aspects of quran and hadith , but what I'm sure about is that Qur'an isn't conflicteed with hadith .and thanks

 

[Andreus]

no

if the prophet didnt say it then it is NOT Islam.., Hadith is a quaint way of getting around the Prophet PBUH and his exact wishes that no words of the quran be changed

that is what i mean.... dont let the hadith guide you... read the Quran and decide for yourself

dont allow others to tell you what it means... follow your eyes and your heart

you will be suprised with what you find if you look with the eyes that you have been given instead of the prejudices that you have been taught

good luck, my friend

 

[Shepherd 2]

John001 you have met your match in Andreus.
Match and set to Dreus.
One can only wonder what you might be doing here at JUB,
most religions believe that to think a thing is not different
than doing it in the flesh.
In that sense John001, by your own understanding you
may be toast anyway.
Shep+

 

[JOHN001]

Thank you for your opionion.I wanna say something ;intending to do something wrong and not doing it because of some conditions, you might be sinful.On the other hand , not doing it because you fear god (ALLAH) you will inevaitably be rewarded.I admit that what I'm doing here is sinful, but as long as I don't intend to have affair , my sin won't be that much as having gay sex.deeds are different from visions without intending to do anything.

 

[Andreus]

Let there be no complusion in religion

that includes fear, my friend...

Allah is not to be feared and if you do, you may be doing it wrong

consider what Islam is all about and its peacefull nature

it is meant to be internally peacefull

if you havent gotten that then you need to find an Imam who will show you what peace means and what Allah wants for you

all blesings

 

[RobbyIsTehCool]

I find it odd how many people are so capabale of determining what god wants, and then miraculously coming to different conclusions.

If I drop a ball, it is not faith that convinces me it will drop. If I drop a ball from a certain height, with the proper calculations, I can determine when it will strike the ground... and even with the amount of force it will hit the pavement.

And yet, if a million meditate, some will find the god of silence, others the god of love, others god of war, and others still the god of hate.

Perhaps one would say "Well, god encompasses all these things..." If this is the case, then one is useless is determining his will. In this case, he is a storm, and no covenenant or orders are neccesary.

Or... "Well, there are deamons, and only a few really found god." In this case, the Demons are apparently more capabale of reaching the true seekers then God is, and one would be wise to consider his authority in that case.

Still the most likely awnser is... "You have found parts of your own psyche." This god you have developed, or have found, are merely reflections of your own wants, needs, and fears.

Is this neccesarily a terrible thing? No.

But it does mean you don't speak for god, as noone does, because he has obviously made himself at this juncture incomprehensible to us. To judge and decide your life and its purpose by what is incomprehensible is to choose a road of confusion that is without end, and is purposeless.

Much better to live rationally, pushing the human agenda on this planet, until the day comes when he decides to reveal himself. To us all, and all of us at once.

In this way, should that day never come, we will not have wasted the effort of dividing ourselves into camps, the faithful and unfaithful, martyr and heretic.

 

[Andreus]

I think that if you have a religious or spiritual belief that brings you pain or discomfort, even anguish and self loathing...

then it is wrong and off the mark

all these things are meant for personal enlightenment and peace

if peace is not the conclusion, no matter how big or small... that is not spiritual

 

[Shepherd 2]

Thanks Andreus, I know you were blessed to keep your cool in this thread. I believe I know truth when I see it. Thank you.
Shep+

 

[mULTIsPEEDo]

Thank God I'm no Muslim

 

[xyzguy]

I wonder where John went.

 

[Kurn]

I find the Theology exceptionable. Not correct, that is.
Explaining why is something I haven't found yet.
I see what is wrong. Explaining what I see is another thing.
Islamic theology makes a fundamental error.

I am a philosopher so don't expect to understand me easily.

 

[pmpinla]

Willyd, you make a good point regarding John001. Like people who refuse to use their ability for rational thought in any other religion, he is going through life like a horse with blinders on, seeing very little to the left or right, thinking that there is only one true way to heaven, Islam, when, in fact, there are as many ways to heaven as there are human beings, not to mention the zillions of other beings on billions on other planets who take their own road there.

 

[Diego_Ryan]

In History I learned that Muslim leaders would invade nations and give them an option of surrendering and nothing would happen to the people or if they resisted they would be crushed and made into slaves. Also, if they surrendered they wouldn't do anything to the people, but the Muslims were the ones who received better things in society and the conquered people began to see the benefits so they converted to get the same treatment and status.

 

[JackFTwist]

by what right does anyone have to assume that they are superior and can dismiss the beliefs of another oerson? What arrogance, what gall is required. I am happy that John has found something that has ultimate maning for him. I am happy that others found something different that works for them. Rather than arrogantly criticize the beliefs of others, can we not be happy that each has found what works for them?

 

[Kurn]

I don't believe that the God of the Universe cares if someone if Pagan or believes there are many gods.
God only cares that good comes from the heart.

The Abrahamic religions are "schools" that God allowed. Nothing more.

Break out of the cocoon before you kill someone you love!