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elohim2010

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What does gay pride mean to you?

Trying to keep this a serious, thought provoking, your working definition (no dictionary), philosophical approach to the topic at hand in the spirit of a previous forum on here on being out.

Gay pride is . . .
 
Taking pride in who you are is great. Unfortunately, I think that gay pride events have gone terribly wrong and present gay people in a negative light.
 
^I don't get how having fun is "presenting the community in a negative light", but lemme just... go watch from a safe distance.

Other than that, gay pride is just pride in being who you are. I prefer to just be proud of all aspects of me and leave it there without the umbrella term.
 
Walking nude down the street and dressing your partner up like a dog on Main Street might be fufn (I have a kinky side too), but those are acts best saved for home, not out in public. Smaller towns' pride events are much less controversial and those are great. But the big cities which seems to permit pride events to go unfettered make the whole community appear as deviants.
 
tombastep said:
Pride to me is being yourself and not hiding yourself in any manner, being proud of who you are and not changing according to what is socially 'normal'.
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A great responce which I totally agree with, I think that sums it up nicely.

I've never and still don't get the whole gay pride parade thing, maybe it because I've never been to one. But I think that's a debate for another thread.
 
For some people, what they see on television or read in a newspaper is the only information they have about an unknown. That was one of the biggest problems for African Americans during the civil rights struggle of the 1960s. Much of white middle America only got to reads about riots, violence, radicals and so forth.

A person bases their understanding of anyone, anything, or any community based on the information presented to them. Thats human nature. Basic psychology.

Unfortunately, we create most of the propaganda for those opposing us. I think we should stop that. There is a difference in being proud of who you love and what things you do to them behind closed doors.
 
FanofFiction said:
Walking nude down the street and dressing your partner up like a dog on Main Street might be fufn (I have a kinky side too), but those are acts best saved for home, not out in public. Smaller towns' pride events are much less controversial and those are great. But the big cities which seems to permit pride events to go unfettered make the whole community appear as deviants.
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I know I'm wasting my time, but, I live near one of those "big cities", and I have never seen anyone walk down the street stark naked in any of the three years I went to Atlanta Pride, and certainly not for the first year of Lexington Pride, which I was also at... nor have I seen bound people, gimps, overly overt master/slave relationships and the like. The very most i've ever seem was a leather daddy and his "son" - mixed race couple - in harnesses. In fact, I think all three years I went, I've seen a leather couple in harnesses. Nothing controversial there, unless you just hate leather.

The parade is supposed to be a fun event - I'm sorry if you think guys and gals are supposed to cover up, put their leather, wings, glitter and amazing to look at underwear away just to appease the conservatives and the hateful people in the audience(that go just so they can have something to complain about later), but no one complains at any other parade(except maybe at Mardi Gras, and even then, it's light and it's almost expected).

That analogy tie-in with African Americans and the 1960's is just as skewed - and also just as outdated. We live in a new era where you can get more information if you really want it, or you can be blind to it and be wrong. But hey... as I stated, I know i'm wasting my time.
 
Not wasting your time at all, but sarcasim noted. I'm glad that some cities do put restrictions on what is acceptable. But there have been examples of things getting out of control, sadly.

I don't think people should have to totally cover up either. That was a gross exaggeration of my opinion on your part. Try not to read too much into something that someone says.

What I'm really concerned about is not the radicals who actually attend gay pride events simply to complain. It's the people at home, who are undecided or leaning in one direction on how they feel about gay people and gay rights. When those people are bombarded with disturbing images and news reports about the negativity associated with an event... Well, then those people are swayed away from supporting the community. That's the biggest problem I see with some of the events.
 
I have to laugh at gay folks who have no interest in appeasing folks who are not gay. Or roll my eyes at them. The last I checked, we, gay people, are still a minority. And as such, when it comes to voting, we need to rely on the straight majority sharing in our gay pride.

We are in a struggle for rights in many parts of the world, including the USA. We should try to win people over, not push them away because we don't give a damn.
 
hi Elohim2010,

First of all, welcome to JUB, and I hope you will have a nice time over here, and feel free to ask any question you have.

So what does gay pride mean to me? Definately something like the advice Rareboy recently gave to a young gay who's dad had told him that being gay is wrong and that this young guy needed to 'straighten up'
(....) tell him that you are here, you are queer and you intend to go on to have a happy and healthy and successful life.
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I guess everyone has their own definition.

I didn't really do anything to be gay. It's not something that I've worked hard to accomplish. So I don't understand how I can be proud of being gay. Same way I can't be proud of being white. I just am.

I guess that's just something that I don't really understand about some people in the gay community. I get that people want to be open and prove to others that they aren't ashamed of themselves, but these things have to work both ways. People who feel a need to be overly straight and tell you about how many girls they fuck and this and that, they can be kind of annoying. I don't feel the same way about the other end of the spectrum with gay men, but I'm a little bias.

But whatever. I'd never worry about how someone else was making me look. Haha. And as long as these displays of "pride" aren't coming from a place of hate or anything like that, then live and let live.
 
..is relishing in the bravery of openly accepting same-sex attraction but not always supporting or accepting other gay men (whether due to their race, age or appearance) within your community..

to me, "gay pride" is one of the most two-faced, fake events of any celebration considering the segregation, hate and prejudiced by gay men against each other and lesbians..

..why have an event showcasing to the world that you love your community (for a day) then the next day discriminate against the next and or LUST OVER straight men?
 
Phlash said:
I get that people want to be open and prove to others that they aren't ashamed of themselves, but these things have to work both ways. People who feel a need to be overly straight and tell you about how many girls they fuck and this and that, they can be kind of annoying.
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hi Phlash,

Out and proud (or something like 'gay pride') is indeed something that works in both directions, but not towards straight guys who tell you all kind of things about girls. In stead, it works towards homofobes (and their allies). Nowadays, alot of straight guys who like to fuck alot of girls and tell about this, don't bother at all that you and I are gay (so not interested in girls, but in guys). So no need (anymore) to stand up against them. They have a brother, cousin, co-worker, fellow-student, etc who is gay, and their reaction will be something like 'so what'? and, eg, 'hey tell me, which kind of males celebs you adore'?

But its totally different in regard to homofobes, and their allies. This group of people, and quite alot of them have alot of political power (including religious power) don't want you (and I, and all others) do what we like, and tries to tell us we 'will end in Hell', are bad people, must 'straighten up', are not a real man, etc.

So gay pride is against the homofobes, and will be needed as long as there are significant groups of homofobes around (and raising their voice).

Do you agree with me?
 
Gay Pride brings out two things for me. First i reflect that I would not have what i have in the form of freedom had the people who have gone before me not had the courage and strength of will to say we deserve to be recognized as equal and human.


The second thoughts I have are usually along the lines of HELL YES. Because I love a good reason to party. I love seeing everyone letting loose AND it is always around my birthday.

I think people can choose to take negative out of some of the things we do at the parades but it is indeed a CHOICE to take it wrongly.

For a contrast I would ask if anyone has ever been to New Orleans or anywhere else that actually has a city wide celebration of Mardi Gras. THAT would shed breeders in a negative light if we had the majority, could press the issue and were interested in making some moralistic point.

I say fuck 'em. Those that will hate will choose to do so no matter how much you give away so bring out the float full of Twinkies and Hohos. (a new term I learned)
 
I agree with the vast majority of posters. You guys all made divergent and interesting points.
 
I have no pride in just simply being gay.

I take pride in my decisions and actions, not things I have no control over.

With that being side, I am proud to live my life free. I am proud of my family and friends who love people for who they are and not what they are. I am proud of my brothers and sisters who also have the courage to live their lives free.

So I have pride, I guess.
 
I take pride in being who I am and taking confidence in that.

As for pride events, I think they are a great opportunity to reach out to gays and lesbians who are closeted and need to see that there is support. It's also a great way to raise awareness in the community.

I know a lot of folks complain about some of the things they see at gay pride events, but I've never witnessed anything like that in any of the pride events I've been to. I've been to Halifax Pride, which I think is the fourth largest in Canada. Worst thing there? A guy in a gold thong painted in gold paint representing the local casino. Strangely enough, the guy was also a straight friend of mine :) Best thing I saw? A seniors center bus decked out in support of gay pride (and gay seniors).
 
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