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Gay Pride Weekend and CE+P

centexfarmer said:
What a shit storm ^ that is turning out to be. :eek:

And you can be we haven't heard the last of it either.

Now that it's gone national.

Of course I wasn't there, but the Fort Worth police complained of being two patrons making "sexually explicit movements" at the Rainbow Lounge, and that's why they acted as they did.

So what's with that? A few drunks thought that they were being raided by group of strippers dressed as cops? :confused:

Who would have believed that they were actually being "raided?"
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People know when uniformed cops are at a bar. Cops are checking to make sure the bottles are being handled correctly and checking IDs. I do not for one moment believe the stories about "sexually explicit movements" (whatever that is) or crotch-groping.

I know Todd Camp and Chris Hightower (quoted in the articles), and you can take anything they say to the bank. They never make any statement of fact that turns out to be false.
 
construct said:
So a second member of the City Council is now calling for an investigation in the police raid on the Rainbow Lounge.



http://www.star-********.com/448/story/1458887.html?storylink=pd
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The more I read of this, the less I believe a word the police are saying.

The consensus among those here where I am tonight -- all straight guys except for me -- is that the cops ought to be arrested for assault, abuse, and hate crimes, then fired and blacklisted across the country.

If what these witnesses are saying is true, I'd fire the entire chain of command above these officers, too.
 
I just got back from a bar run. I went to the Rainbow Lounge and the Crossroads and talked to a number of people who were there that night. (The Crossroads is a block and a half down.) Their stories are all alike. All of them agree completely with Todd and Chris's accounts. There were absolutely no discrepencies among them.

I also talked to Chad's mother. You know, the one who was injured by the police. He is still in the ICU with bleeding in the brain. She admits he was drunk at the time, but she also believes that he would not have groped an officer to bring all this upon himself.

I certainly agree that the officers' story is not credible. I've been in all the gay bars that have operated in Fort Worth since 1989. I've been in a few when bar checks were being conducted. I have never seen the kind of behavior that the police are describing. I'll go further in light of some of the comments to some of the articles. I have never seen drugs being sold or used in a gay bar in Fort Worth. I have never seen prostitution countenanced in a gay bar in Fort Worth. I have never seen an obvious minor in a gay bar in Fort Worth. I have never seen a brawl in a gay bar in Fort Worth (although there was a stabbing in a gay bar in Fort Worth when I wasn't there). These kinds of things just don't happen in gay bars in Fort Worth, and if they look like they're about to happen, the offending patron is expelled.

That latter paragraph is a big part of the reason that find the police report of the incident so incredible. Besides that, the police report recites that the owner was given notification of the bar check twice, once on the very day of the incident! Wouldn't an owner make sure that there were no problems when he knew the cops were going to show up?

The whole situation is outrageous. Another protest is being planned for this coming weekend.
 
AdmiralAlfie said:
Well, I'll be spending this and probably next pride day in Rhode Island.

I've been working on a project to research and shoot the summer houses of the great architects, McKim Mead and White, in Rhode Island and Long Island and I've fallen in love with the state, the place I was born and raised. So I fished around and got a couple more gigs (one as a stringer for the Providence Journal) and a book project extensively photographing the RI State House (also MMW). So I'm moving from Manhattan tomorrow, moving back to the smallest state with the longest name (State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations).

I'm so excited to return to the state that really started the Revolutionary War, the quirky, tiny little place that still celebrates "Victory Over Japan Day," the state -- smaller than many counties in Texas -- where everyone seems to know everyone.

I rented a large atelier in Wickford, built in 1832, about 500 feet from Narragansett Bay.

The nearest gay anything is a few miles away, but I really need to be among people who, you know, would sooner start WWIII than tear down a Revolutionary War era building to build a fucking parking lot, people who, when talking about "The War" generally refer to the Revolutionary one. Ah, history, you have me by the short hairs and I love it.

So I'll miss Pride Day in Manhattan, and perhaps even find myself occasionally missing Manhattan itself. And I'll certainly have to learn how to drive a car and get a license, but in the interim I've hired a nephew to be my driver. This is going to be, as they say in Little Rhody, wicked fierce!
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This sounds wonderful. Not because it's Rhode Island (though I love it there and, since my bf was born and raised there, we visit regularly) but because of your affectionate excitement. Very happy for you. (*8*)
 
mazda3boi said:
Henry you really can't understand what it is like to have everyone you know and some folks you just know of, like the Mayor marching together in a sign of solidarity. A sign of strength a signal that not only are you not alone but people celebrate your existence. For that I am truly sorry.
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I think this says it especially well.

And it was the reason that, no matter her political motive, it was so meaningful to us in 2000 when the First Lady of the United States marched in Gay Pride. Nobody expected Laura Bush to join us but it's a disappointment that after First Lady Hillary Clinton joined us, the next Democratic First Lady didn't follow that precedent and join a Gay Pride Parade this month.
 
So Chance, what did you think of Gay Pride?

You're observant and a critical thinker; I read through this thread hoping to read your impressions!
 
construct said:
People know when uniformed cops are at a bar. Cops are checking to make sure the bottles are being handled correctly and checking IDs. I do not for one moment believe the stories about "sexually explicit movements" (whatever that is) or crotch-groping.

I know Todd Camp and Chris Hightower (quoted in the articles), and you can take anything they say to the bank. They never make any statement of fact that turns out to be false.
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Well, as I state earlier this shit storm is just getting started.

Here's a story from Today's Fort Worth Startle-Gram:

Gay bar patrons not targeted by officers, chief says

Hey Chance, you wanna check in here buddy?

We now know more about what happened at bar in Forth Worth, than we do about how your weekend went. :)
 
construct said:
I just got back from a bar run. I went to the Rainbow Lounge and the Crossroads and talked to a number of people who were there that night. (The Crossroads is a block and a half down.) Their stories are all alike. All of them agree completely with Todd and Chris's accounts. There were absolutely no discrepencies among them.

I also talked to Chad's mother. You know, the one who was injured by the police. He is still in the ICU with bleeding in the brain. She admits he was drunk at the time, but she also believes that he would not have groped an officer to bring all this upon himself.

I certainly agree that the officers' story is not credible. I've been in all the gay bars that have operated in Fort Worth since 1989. I've been in a few when bar checks were being conducted. I have never seen the kind of behavior that the police are describing. I'll go further in light of some of the comments to some of the articles. I have never seen drugs being sold or used in a gay bar in Fort Worth. I have never seen prostitution countenanced in a gay bar in Fort Worth. I have never seen an obvious minor in a gay bar in Fort Worth. I have never seen a brawl in a gay bar in Fort Worth (although there was a stabbing in a gay bar in Fort Worth when I wasn't there). These kinds of things just don't happen in gay bars in Fort Worth, and if they look like they're about to happen, the offending patron is expelled.

That latter paragraph is a big part of the reason that find the police report of the incident so incredible. Besides that, the police report recites that the owner was given notification of the bar check twice, once on the very day of the incident! Wouldn't an owner make sure that there were no problems when he knew the cops were going to show up?

The whole situation is outrageous. Another protest is being planned for this coming weekend.
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I was told by a bartender in Portland that if someone is caught using drugs, fighting, bringing in a minor, or a few other offenses, the offender is not only ejected, but notification is sent to the other gay bars for their information -- and often the result is being barred from entry at all gay establishments in the area for at least the night, possibly longer.

As for visits by the OLCC (Oregon Liquor Control Commission), in two bars I've been in the patrons were even told ahead of time, and cooperation was requested ("Please be on your best behavior").

So even without the reports from witnesses, I don't find the police reports credible.

centexfarmer said:
Well, as I state earlier this shit storm is just getting started.

Here's a story from Today's Fort Worth Startle-Gram:

Gay bar patrons not targeted by officers, chief says
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Given the eye witness accounts and what the chief has said already, my operating assumption is that he's lying again.

BTW, I got a "page not available" message when I clicked on the link.... :(
 
Kulindahr said:
BTW, I got a "page not available" message when I clicked on the link.... :(
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Yeah, I don't know where centex got that link. Here's the real one--the one that works. ;)

http://www.star-********.com/news/story/1460939.html?storylink=pd
 
Since this is Chance's Gay Pride Weekend thread, another thread relating to the Rainbow Lounge in Ft. Worth was started here.

Let's check it out. :D
 
NickCole said:
So Chance, what did you think of Gay Pride?

You're observant and a critical thinker; I read through this thread hoping to read your impressions!
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wish i could say ..............

but i didn't make it

was out late/early - meant to hit the parade or at least part of it - and i just crashed

would have been my first pride parade

next year i guess

BUT

I did have a wonderful after party with some friends of my BF and some friends of friends and i can honestly say that it was wonderful

as Pat, a good friend of my BF said, gay pride is about celebrating friendships with your fellow gay men (in our case)

it was very interesting for me to be with this group - most of whom i know a bit, some not at all - that evening most of us were at The Work Party at Roseland, dancing our asses off - and quite frankly, the party was somewhat typical of our stereotype - shirtless dancing, a good amount of drugs, lots of grinding - many boys were wasted beyond recognition - i always wonder how some people get home

i was there until 6am or so then back to a guy's house in Jersey City - who has a big pad and he was kind enough to host

there we all swapped stories, some serious, some not - and chilled out

the after party group included younger + older, beautiful, not so beautiful, mostly out folks, not all

the sharing was great

i heard some stories about the parade and a particular group that got very out of hand in chelsea

whatever

people who want to judge all by the actions of some ................... just don't get it

and perhaps never will

i think some like to see us as those excessive crazies - we're different etc. - makes it easier to dislike or hate us

whatever

but i will admit that being out there now - and going out - and seeing just how fucked up on drugs people get - and the excessiveness of SOME - maybe more than SOME

not saying that's a gay thing but ..............

makes me think

not sure i am making sense here but

why should today be any different than any other day

sorry i missed it guys - i had looked forward to giving you my 2 cents

next year

happy pride weekend boys
 
^^ Sorry you missed the parade, hope you catch it next year.

But glad you had a good time no matter what you did.

I sort of agree with your friend Pat and sort of don't. Gay Pride is celebrating friendships with fellow gays but more than that it's about community. The big thing Stonewall and the resulting liberation did was create an open and out gay community. It's horrible being discriminated against but it's a private hell if you're isolated in it. Gay Pride Parade is not just being with your friends but the one day a year of being with the gay community as a whole.

The last time I went to Gay Pride was in the early 90s but I participated in most of the 20 years of parades up to then. They changed a lot over that time but the one constant was community, gays I knew and gays I didn't know dancing together, talking together, drinking and laughing and walking together. There were dramas sometimes, but even those seemed to melt into comfortably familiar nights of dancing on the piers to YMCA. For me, the years I lived in Greenwich Village were the ones I most enjoyed Gay Pride -- but that's a story all its own!

I hope you go next year so you can experience the event. It's worth a special effort because it's a singular experience for gay men, ultimately both public and private.
 
^ The first time I went to Sydney's Gay Mardi Gras (our own version of Pride, I suppose) I was a closeted 24 year old and I was totally alone. But I had never felt the sudden realization of acceptance, of community, of unity, that I did that night. I suddenly realized there were thousands and thousands of people just like me.

That was 1995. I don't suppose it's an experience all young people today will have, but there is an amazing sense of solidarity to be found at such events.

Glad you had a good night Chance! Maybe a parade next year?:-)
 
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