"Gay? Whatever, Dude" (NYTimes)

[Yves]

NYTimes Op-Ed piece on changing attitudes on homosexuality and same sex marriage.

Gay? Whatever, Dude
The New York Times
By CHARLES M. BLOW

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/05/opinion/05blow.html?src=me&ref=general

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

There is no way to know for sure what’s driving such a radical change in men’s views on this issue because Gallup didn’t ask, but that doesn’t mean that we can’t speculate.

yes is

ans Charles M. Blow go tells Cornell University of state of USA dude go check da labels what nos same thing what obvious fa centurys ans eva ans many keep pay price fa limited cultures

thankyou very murch

 

[hylas]

The contact hypothesis. As more men openly acknowledge that they are gay, it becomes harder for men who are not gay to discriminate against them. And as that group of openly gay men becomes more varied — including athletes, celebrities and soldiers — many of the old, derisive stereotypes lose their purchase.

yes yes yes. being out is not just a purely personal matter, its also a political matter. especially if you are a public figure.

 

[rareboy]

It is what we've been saying since Stonewall.

 

[BabiGayPimp]

This is what I'VE been saying for years also. Men are pack animals. The more men there are like you who have ANNOUNCED their presence in the pack, the more powerful you will be perceived by others who are not like you.

If you are viewed as the only gay man in your town, straight men will treat you like you don't matter. Once they get used to seeing a lot of guys like you, those pussy's will start showing you more respect.

Whenever a gay man comes out, particularly if he has high social status and capital, it empowers the rest of us.

"A rising tide lifts all boats."

 

[Techie]

If Ricky Martin wouldn't be out I don't know if I would either.

And Elvis Duran is also an inspiration for me I guess

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

This is what I'VE been saying for years also. Men are pack animals. The more men there are like you who have ANNOUNCED their presence in the pack, the more powerful you will be perceived by others who are not like you.

If you are viewed as the only gay man in your town, straight men will treat you like you don't matter. Once they get used to seeing a lot of guys like you, those pussy's will start showing you more respect.

Whenever a gay man comes out, particularly if he has high social status and capital, it empowers the rest of us.

"A rising tide lifts all boats."

yeah

21st century is Great OPURTUTNITY fa LOT countrys HISTORYS (MALE) CONTROL SHIT let go it ans

MOVE ONNNNNNNNNNN ( UNLESS ) Humans like be cattle !!!!!!

humans speices bes flyin da Universe thousands years ago IF ONLLLLLLY

 

[BearBoi]

I’m a member of another message board about a very macho pastime, with lots of butch male members, many of them in their 40s+ and many more former or active Military.

Someone (not me) started a thread about George Alan Rekers (anti-gay asshat who hired a callboy to “handle his luggage”) and I intentionally avoided it. I didn’t want to read the kinds of comments I assumed it would be filled with. Well, after it has several pages worth of replies curiosity got the better of me and I clicked it. To my bewindlered amazement, the comments in support of LGBT people were overwhelming. Only one idiot started quoting Bible verses, and many others shouted him down. What’s more impressive is the number of butch str8 guys who ‘got it’ about why Rekers was such a twat; how he is a hypocritical dickweed forcing self-loathing on open and honest LGBT people who should be free to live their lives.

I really felt happy.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

interestin is (INTERNET)> Message boards ans many sites what folk no got Gay Bi straigt curious nexts name but lot still talk like crap da best things since something

but (gay homosexual)<words from cultures constipated- alls male folk - many penis stuck in happy- pussys for da fittins-mouth wash for lost sheep-sites suddens out pop lot straight curious customers etc so on

nice whens Many countrys connects da DOTS what anytime is see real time every day ins alls a ways

Yes your country includedes is full of shit cause

good lot folk remember (REAL) before theres country go slap polite cheesy face ova theirs hisotrys ans repeat same shit<what is doins by way

- this was not party political broadcast ans talkin ta empty space so no loonys
rush in scream YOU TALKIN ABOUT ME ans do massive Quotes from lot folk no idea who fuck is

Commercial words what commerical countrys spit out make commerical folk what cover all same words they no idea what is NO mean shit UNTIL Countrys doooooo what they aint doin or ( univeristys any idea but suck pages outs their assholes )

ta think Humans got gives gifts brain ta understand their senses make world so KOOL ans no just bump inta trees GO FIGURE

back ta polish fairylights fa da nights gatherins

 

[slnattak]

Yeah, it's surprising but true.

Most homophobia actually comes from straight girls more than any other group of people. The group that you would stereotypically accept to be a gay man's 'best gay pal' is actually his worst enemy. I suppose that's part of why Will & Grace made me feel sort of blegh inside.

This also fits my real life, my mom and sister have had more problems with my homosexuality than my dad and brothers ever did. (although they have improved) They just don't care. But in the media, men get the bad rap of being the 'dumb straight homophobic brute.' Ugh. That's not true at all, it's usually some narcissistic female that says shitty things about gay men.

It's just well, if a man *is* homophobic he has a much higher chance at being violent with it then a woman does. But that's because he's essentially a man, not because he's a homophobic man. Overall, men are still less likely to be homophobic.

 

[maxpowr9]

The article implores some logical hoop jumping but makes some sense. It ignores alot of psychological research that would connect ideas but when the editor says "write a 1k word piece", you have to cut corners somewhere. Of course I don't expect much from the NYT without squeezing in some political BS into an editorial.

I would say there is more homophobia amongst women than men because of a combination of penis envy and a hegemonic male hierarchy or in layman's terms, jealousy. Lesbianism is a whole other can of worms as the author points out and it is often difficult to lump the two (male and female) sexualities together.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

it why word( HOMOPHOBIA) not use so casual whens lot stuff bury in what nothin do HOMO ans HOMO nothin do anything

university shame on ya piss ya spit out got lot sheep in so many countrys spinnin in wank out lot toons heads

ans so on

 

[G-Lexington]

>>>I’m a member of another message board about a very macho pastime, with lots of butch male members, many of them in their 40s+ and many more former or active Military.

I'm on a couple other messageboards that might be considered "straight-leaning" as well - one is for sports fans, and the other is industry-related. I'm out on both. I've gotten some grief from a couple other members on the industry one, but it's nothing compared to the acceptance and support. And NOBODY has an issue with my sexuality on the sports one.

Lex

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

>>>I’m a member of another message board about a very macho pastime, with lots of butch male members, many of them in their 40s+ and many more former or active Military.

I'm on a couple other messageboards that might be considered "straight-leaning" as well - one is for sports fans, and the other is industry-related. I'm out on both. I've gotten some grief from a couple other members on the industry one, but it's nothing compared to the acceptance and support. And NOBODY has an issue with my sexuality on the sports one.

Lex

maybe theys alls go ta gay websites ta ask da stoopid questions

 

[MercuryJones]

Most homophobia actually comes from straight girls more than any other group of people. The group that you would stereotypically accept to be a gay man's 'best gay pal' is actually his worst enemy. I suppose that's part of why Will & Grace made me feel sort of blegh inside.

I don't believe this to be true at all. My recollection of polling is that women are substantially more pro-equality for gays than men. I think you've based the reality of general population on your own atypical experience.

 

[erobert]

"The contact hypothesis. As more men openly acknowledge that they are gay, it becomes harder for men who are not gay to discriminate against them. And as that group of openly gay men becomes more varied — including athletes, celebrities and soldiers — many of the old, derisive stereotypes lose their purchase."

Worth quoting again.

Why do some think homophobia comes from women?

Anyone can be homophobic but the majority of it I've seen comes from men. I have found women to be extremely accepting of gays. Or maybe single young ladies have a secret vendetta against us. "Darn those gays! They're taking all good guys." Relax single ladies, I'm not going to steal your man if that's the cause of your homophobia.

 

[josher]

I have met only a few women in my 60 years who were at all homophobic. Almost to a woman they've accepted me unconditionally.

And truth be told, the overwhelming majority of straight men who've gotten to know me are very cool with it.

It's all about knowing individuals, as the author of the editorial says, as opposed to some abstract cultural stereotype.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

females be around faeva ans as vary as males ins make ups ans requirements lot more then males

since male hisotrys is ooh let go war ans die honourables crap males just develop stooopids

no think females wanna babysit da male anymore ans yabba yabba so on

stick all girls boys in mini skirits ans get over it all da countrys what barkin loonys

ans univeristys cans waste time on somethin USEFUL

 

[Rex]

Very interesting thread and article. Here's to men and score one for "teh gays".

I think when DADT will be reppealed it will help gain more acceptance and it's going to be very interesting.

 

[Rex]

On February 17th, 1991, all the heterosexual men of the world suddenly realized that: (a) gay men give better blow jobs than women, and (b) that they want nothing in return for it, let alone expensive jewelry.

Ever since then, heterosexual men have been accepting of, in fact even turned on by, the idea of another man giving them a blow job.

The word "gay" is still deadly poison, however, to heterosexual men who are intensely concerned with their image and status among their peers. They want the sex, but they don't want that terrifying label.

LOL you really think that's true?