gays are deformed ....

[poolerboy]

In the New Testament, the only rule that God gave for sexual behavior is "no sexual immorality", which in the context comes down to not being unfaithful to your partner.

Are you referring to such passages such as this:

Run away from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. (1Cr 6:18)​

Because if we're to take into consideration context, the context here is one of Paul's correspondence which is always occasional in natural; occasional in the sense that when he writes a letter it is to address a particular issue that was raised (usually a crisis in one of his churches). Here it's regarding the church located in Corinth in the Roman province of Achaia (a city with a reputation for dubious morals in antiquity). After Paul left the community, a number of problems had arisen, involving disunity in the church, immorality (of various kinds), and difficulties during worship services. When he writes back he corrects them on their misguided beliefs; he tells them that Jesus was soon to return when God entered into judgement with this world, that his followers would experience a glorious salvation, but that until then believers were compelled to live in this world. Thus, their exhaltation was a future event, not a present reality. As such, their comportment was to be "ethical" until then. So with respect to his views of sexual immorality, he takes examples from the Pentateuch (Torah) to delineate what they are to steer away from. That's why in 9 verses above the aforementioned passage we find this:

Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, abusers, and swindlers--none of these will have a share in the Kingdom of God.​

The assorted list of miscellaneous "sins" might be hinting as to what was probably going on in that community already and, as you can see, sexual immorality is not solely confined to unfaithfulness to one's partner.
(1Cr 6:9 - 1Cr 6:10)

 

[Telstra]

Sorry i don't want to spend too much time talking about "god" with her but i always up for a debate/discussion.

Her god and my god have different meaning according to one self !!!

 

[Kulindahr]

Are you referring to such passages such as this:

Run away from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body. (1Cr 6:18)​

No, I'm referring to the only thing that can be properly called a "commandment" -- the brief list of items in Acts 15 that the council decided to write to instruct Gentile Christians: no idols, don't eat things that were strangled, no sexual immorality (fornication), and "abstain from blood" (i.e. violence).

Paul may actually be commenting on the council's decision in some of his statements; I don't recall if the one you cited qualifies there.

 

[poolerboy]

In the New Testament, the only rule that God gave for sexual behavior is "no sexual immorality", which in the context comes down to not being unfaithful to your partner.

No, I'm referring to the only thing that can be properly called a "commandment" -- the brief list of items in Acts 15 that the council decided to write to instruct Gentile Christians: no idols, don't eat things that were strangled, no sexual immorality (fornication), and "abstain from blood" (i.e. violence).

I think you're thinking of adultery not fornication for your first quote above.

 

[Kulindahr]

I think you're thinking of adultery not fornication for your first quote above.

My bad.

I was thinking about something else at the time. The concept is "no promiscuity", though.

 

[Telstra]

why are some religious people so irritated by
other peoples sexuality ?

Is it because they are sexually confused ?

 

[nate78]

Are you from Perth?

 

[Telstra]

No, from other states.

 

[stiletto]

Never has there been a deformity so sexy.

 

[poolerboy]

why are some religious people so irritated by
other peoples sexuality ?

Is it because they are sexually confused ?

Because they consider it immoral behavior that, if adopted by many, will — in their mind — lead to a decline in societal moral values (i.e. tearing of the "moral fabric").

 

[Telstra]

Because they consider it immoral behavior that, if adopted by many, will — in their mind — lead to a decline in societal moral values (i.e. tearing of the "moral fabric").

oh i see.
So no one ask them to lead but they appoint themselves to lead and preach.


She thinks homosexuals are learned.
Can anyone prove to her that homosexuals are nature and not nurture ?

 

[TX-Beau]

Can anyone prove to her that homosexuals are nature and not nurture ?

Would she believe anyone who told her otherwise no matter the data?

Religious beliefs are not founded in proof.

 

[Telstra]

Would she believe anyone who told her otherwise no matter the data?

Religious beliefs are not founded in proof.

I told her that she is closed minded.
She said nature make a man with a woman. Not a man with a man and a woman with a woman.
Therefore she believe it is nurture !!!

I said in some plant or animal there is no male or female.
She said humans are not plant or animal.

we go around and round in circles.

 

[poolerboy]

oh i see.
So no one ask them to lead but they appoint themselves to lead and preach.

Well true, but to be fair a lot of people do this for other issues (not that it makes it any more palatable). People intervene on issues like teen pregnancy, abortion, stem cell research, profanity on the airwaves, prostitution, illicit drugs, etc. So while I strongly disagree with their preaching against homosexuality, we have to recognize a distinction between people trying to be dicks for the fuck of it and people who are otherwise genuinely well-intentioned people who just happen to come off as dicks because their morality has been clouded by religious dogmatism that tells them that homosexuality is a sin, it is "gaining popularity" in society at large, and thus if they want to be a Good Samaritan they will combat the "evils" of it by standing up to sin in any way they can (e.g. through the electoral process, protesting, etc.).

Can anyone prove to her that homosexuals are nature and not nurture ?

This may help (assuming she accepts evolution).

A scientist weighs in.​

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcyVwIaVLDc[/ame]

 

[Telstra]

Basically she don't believe human came from monkeys.

She believe god made everything which is fine by me but some human she at least believe in that human evolved from hunters and gatherers to computer age.

 

[poolerboy]

Basically she don't believe human came from monkeys.

Good. She should have no problem with evolution then.

She believe god made everything which is fine by me but some human she at least believe in that human evolved from hunters and gatherers to computer age.

Well, for what it's worth, here are a few links that might help. Don't worry they don't bring up evolution.


Identification of regions of human DNA that contain genes which can cause homosexuality:

A genomewide scan of male sexual orientation.

Epigenetic "inheritance" of homosexuality:

Extreme skewing of X chromosome inactivation in mothers of homosexual men.


Best of luck.

 

[Telstra]

^ she is brainwashed by "god (the bible)" .......


She won't change her mind.

 

[UC3543]

I told her that she is closed minded.
She said nature make a man with a woman. Not a man with a man and a woman with a woman.
Therefore she believe it is nurture !!!

I said in some plant or animal there is no male or female.
She said humans are not plant or animal.

we go around and round in circles.

I wouldn't waste your time arguing with her whether it is nurture or nature - what difference does it make - either way it wasn't your choice who to be attracted to. Just explain to her, or in fact ask her "why would I choose to be attracted to men" I don't know why i'm like this, but I am, what am I supposed to do.

I've had a lot of success with that line of questioning

 

[Yohan1989]

Basically she don't believe human came from monkeys.

She believe god made everything which is fine by me but some human she at least believe in that human evolved from hunters and gatherers to computer age.

I dont lol

 

[TX-Beau]

Basically she don't believe human came from monkeys.

Tell her she's quite right. Man didn't come from monkeys. Man and Monkeys are modern. Man and monkeys had a common ancestor a very long time ago that was neither man nor monkey.

There is no way to convince her to change her position.