Gays Defend Right To Be Catholic

[kallipolis]

John 15:9-17

9"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love. 11I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. 12My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends. 14You are my friends if you do what I command. 15I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit—fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name. 17This is my command: Love each other.

end of scripture quotation

We should distinguish between the rules, and regulations which are held up as ideals and the reality of the fallen human condition.

Human frailty is the lot of each and every human person.

None is in a position to judge another as unworthy.

When we try our best, then our best will be sufficient for the One who merely invites us to follow His example and let love become our guiding light.

 

[crzyrazn]

You're antagonizing people for cherry-picking religion.



That's my opinion and it's fairly relevant. You're not posting your own beliefs here, you're criticizing other people's beliefs. You are in fact dictating what religion is and how it should be practiced, and insist that anyone who doesn't practice it in accordance to your guidelines is not devoted to their religion. According to you there's cryrazn's way to be religious and there's the wrong way.



Essentially yes you have, you've made judgments against their dedication to their respective faith.

It is your opinion, but a very unfair one considering I came here to share my opinion in pursuit of sharing and discovering new knowledge. Don't you fucking tell me what my intentions were. Who the fuck are you? Don't respond to my posts. If you can't be cordial, I refuse to acknowledge you. I can debate my opinions on faith. You are just wanting to be a asshole.

 

[kallipolis]

The Magisterium of the CC is a set of rules that appear to some Catholics, to be the way to salvation. Even the CC does not say this. Without faith in the invisible presence of The Saviour, living within our life praise of laws represents the contrary to a life of faith.

Religion of any description can through its system of rules appear to reject, the very faith that it presumes to represent.

Most gay Catholics ignore the Magisterium and focus their religious life on the call of The Saviour, to follow Him by acknowledging their need for assistance in order to live a happy and fulfilling life. At grass roots level most active gay Catholics find acceptance, among those who also share in the journey of faith. Let us not judge the CC by those who dictate from ivory towers.

There is a very real danger in this type of discussion, when the rules (The Magisterium) is assumed to be the focus of the religious practitioner's life. It is by faith, and not by laws, that the faithful in The Christ live their life.

 

[crzyrazn]

^You are failing to understand where I am coming from. I am done here though. You're rudeness has turned me off from this discussion completely. You keep accusing me of serving ultimatums when my beliefs are just as naked as everyone else's. You don't think I know that religion means different things to different people? But when applied to reason it doesn't make sense. That is where I am debating from. All you've done is try to start a witch hunt with me as the witch. But you're provocations have done nothing but to expose you as self-righteous dickhead looking for drama. Why can't fucking people be intelligent enough not to have to start shit when discussing important matters? Fucking retarded.

 

[crzyrazn]

Goodness calm down dude it ain't that serious, are you going for an Oscar or something for Most Dramatic Performance? You should note that you're the only one here who's been insulting anyone.

I was a bit cheeky at first but nothing I've said was overtly disrespectful and in my last post I admitted that I didn't entirely understand where you're coming from. Now I do understand, you say it's unreasonable to believe that people can modify religion. My point is, whether or not it's reasonable, they're gonna do it. They've been doing it and will continue to do so. You'd have to search far and wide to find someone who practices religion verbatim.

Don't even go there. Likening me to a televangelist and accusing me of forcing others to believe my way is insulting. And you were the one throwing that around. I questioned how can you faithfully serve a religion, such as Catholicism as a religion not as a faith, when who you are is contradictory to a controversial fundamental belief as the one on homosexuality. You can't throw it out and say it never had a place in Catholicism, therefore, a gay Catholic who believes that Catholicism must accept them, and yes, they can have as many variations on it as they want, but the people don't choose to believe what they want that is for the Church fathers responsibility to do so, and they say Catholicism can not accept homosexuality, is not serving the original Catholicism faithfully. Anything less than that seems to cease to be Catholic because it is contradicts what the Church fathers have ruled based on interpretation of the Bible. But whatever...

 

[kallipolis]

Contrary to another opinion that Catholicism is set in stone, it should be noted that Catholicism is a living reflection of The Creator's will, being revealed through those who live in faith of His life in the life of the faithful person. Thus the evolutionary process will inevitably manifest the will of The Creator, through the creating presence of His Spirit, in the life of each and every human person.

The councils of The Church witness to the growing understandings of the human person, in its relationship with The Creator. Each church council evidences to the willingness of the faithful to reflect those understandings that best witness to the call of The Creator, to let Him be our guide in all matters.

 

[kallipolis]

Don't even go there. Likening me to a televangelist and accusing me of forcing others to believe my way is insulting. And you were the one throwing that around. I questioned how can you faithfully serve a religion, such as Catholicism as a religion not as a faith, when who you are is contradictory to a controversial fundamental belief as the one on homosexuality. You can't throw it out and say it never had a place in Catholicism, therefore, a gay Catholic who believes that Catholicism must accept them, and yes, they can have as many variations on it as they want, but the people don't choose to believe what they want that is for the Church fathers responsibility to do so, and they say Catholicism can not accept homosexuality, is not serving the original Catholicism faithfully. Anything less than that seems to cease to be Catholic because it is contradicts what the Church fathers have ruled based on interpretation of the Bible. But whatever...

The very early church evidences the divisions that existed between The Apostles, particularly Paul and Simon Peter. It should come as no surprise to those of us who have spent a lifetime attempting to fathom these matters, that without the input of each and every person of faith, the evolutionary process of self discovery cannot reveal the will of The Creator. To this end it is wise to avoid any suggestion that religion and faith are different, or even differing manifestations of the same divinely revealed truth.

The insecure person will easily embrace laws. Those persons who are prepared to walk in faith realise that their life is unfolding according to the creating influence of the One who guides their life. Without faith in the supernatural presence of The Creator, as The Saviour then religious practice becomes a mere clanging of cymbals and praise of empty laws.