Gays on Girls

[ahotjock71]

^ Seems YOU read my phrase as less than masculine. Issues, REAL issues.

And, WTH, I know VERY straight & MASCULINE men who use the phrase "Hot mess." Even I as a gay man don't use that phrase.

Issues, baby, you got issues.

 

[ahotjock71]

And if you think I am "girly" or "effeminate" you really need to see my pics & read my profile.

 

[Soilwork]

yeah...well that could work. however, you were openly gay when you joined those groups...

im not trying to find a new "gay" scene to join. I like my friends and i what we do. I dont want to hang around a bunch of gay people all day. I mean, if the majority of my friends happen to be gay, then thats fine. but im not gonna go out looking for friends that are strictly gay and ditch my old "straight" friends...

oh well....time will tell. Thanks for the words of advice though....

True, I was openly gay.. but most of my friends were straight.

I just kinda wanted SOME connection to SOME gay guys out there. I'm not telling you to ditch your friends and find people to go shoe shopping with. But maybe your friends would be fine allowing your BF into the mix?

Really, it seems like you're at the same place I was at at about 18... more scared of gay men and what hanging out with them would do to my rep. Thinking that they were all a bunch of pansies, thinking they were all a bunch of flamers. Thinking that I was maybe a bit better than them because I was manly and masculine and "Straight acting" and I rode motorcycles.

Then I made some gay friends who were better riders and more masculine than me.

And I had to admit that I was just a guy who was gay. No better or worse or different than all the other guys.

 

[ahotjock71]

Immaturity. That's cute.




Not.




I guess that's why I'm out & comfortable with myself, and you're





Not.

 

[Soilwork]

OK, aaron... you get leeway for not being totally comfortable in your gay skin just yet..

but let's not forget that you too have tried to convince us of how manly you are for liking trucks and shagging women.

It's cool... I used to say ALL the same stuff. accepting that you're gay while still trying to maintain that manly exterior can be a rough transition... but we all make it.

and ahotjock, don't be too hard on him. Dirk/duroc was exactly the same a few months ago, and he's now 100% out with a BF and a supportive group of friends..

Some people need to come out directly through the fire....

 

[ahotjock71]

Aaron is not ready to go full out...He's still dealing with some issues...He came here looking for advice and doesn't know much about the "gay" scene...
He can ask all the questions he wants and I won't be offended...He's still young and he is still learning...I for one don't want to give him the impression that I'm judgemental or forcing a lifestyle on him that he's not ready to deal with yet...He also doesn't know about "gay ettiquette" and how to refer to the more feminine type of guys. He's a newbie and he's using the language that he's come to know...He's attracted to "butch" guys or closeted guys...That's his preference. I know many gay people go through stages of acceptance. He's going through his...I'm proud of him for at least taking the step to come here and "face the music" sorta speak...

Let's be supportive....

The issue here with arron is his immaturity & inability to listen to anyone who isn't pumping him full of what he WANTS to hear, Elvin.

I gave him several supportive & informative replies, which he chose to use to attack ME. So it wasn't all candy-coated & fuzzy wuzzy. Are you denying what I told him in my original posts was not true?

And now he calls me gross? I mean come on, how can anyone take this kid seriously?

 

[Runewell]

Alright, let's be nice, people...

 

[ahotjock71]

..oh and stop sending me PMs man...you're *edit*. LOL.

Mature. Real mature.

You see, mature people IM each other to air grevances & discuss things out.

But I guess you are just use to IM-ing people to tell them how hot you think they are, and vice versa.

But since you wanna drag it out in the public forum, you get this reply.

:rollseyes:

 

[Soilwork]

but he IS quite masculine.. he just doesn't have the issues with feminine men that you do.

Neither do I.

Anyway.. don't bite the hands that try to help you up.

I know you have a lot of rage right now... we're giving you a chance... take it.

 

[ahotjock71]

And where did you get I was saying it was ok to be girly?

All I have ever said is be yourself & be comfortable with yourself. That's where the introspection & soul searching comes in.

I got offended at you insinuating my post was girly because it was not in fun or jest, but an attack on me personally. I am what I am, and if you ask most anybody here who has gotten to know me, oh wait, you aren't interestd in that, are you. Oh well.

I never front. I'm open, honest & present myself exactly as I am. That's not hypocritical. That's REAL.

 

[ahotjock71]

please man....you're a hypocrit is so many different ways, this is ridiculous. how old are you hotjockstr8boy?

first of all....mature people IM eachother to air grevances out? Then why would you reply to my post, and then hurry and quickly send me a PM telling me "go read what i said to you!"....if you were to practice what you preach, then we'd still be PMing eachother.

..and please dont talk about people IMing eachother and talking dirty like your not obviously begging for a little attention. You wouldnt have your cock hanging out all in your profile online for everybody to see, if you werent hungry for a little attention yourself.

you might actually be a little more confused then me...

 

[Soilwork]

ahojock... you know I really like you a lot... and I'll always be on your side...

and Aaron.. you seem like a nice guy who's come to sort out a few issues and we all want to help with that.

SEPARATE CORNERS, both of you.

I know that in a month or two, you're going to be getting along great because you're a lot alike and you're both Alpha-men.

So just cool off and understand that you're BOTH strong personalities who are on opposite sides of the same divide.

(when did *I* start to be the peace maker here?)

 

[Kurn]

You both need to go to a Chinese restaurant and get some fortune cookies!!

 

[ahotjock71]

Gatordude33, I sincerely apologize we have hijacked your thread.

 

[ahotjock71]

You both need to go to a Chinese restaurant and get some fortune cookies!!

 

[james1200]

i enjoy a good bitch fight. keep it going.

 

[RenaissanceMan]

(when did *I* start to be the peace maker here?)

Awww, that's soooo cute, lol.

I love witnessing Soilwork's soft (yet firm) moments.

As for the topic: I've been attracted to girls emotionally, and their physical beauty (mostly with wonderful clothes on) made me think that was something more. Realizing that someone is physically attractive in an objective sense isn't the same as being physically attracted in a subjective sense after all...I'm sure there were some of those "masculine" issues involved too.

 

[Leidian]

Man oh man! This is my most popular thread and it was a fight! Haha.

For those of you on topic, thanks again! I guess infatuation is all it is. It is nice to know that other people have them sometimes. I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so as lame as it is, I don't want to be a bad gay guy! I think from now on I'll chalk it up to good old fashioned Chivalry when I see a pretty girl and feel the need to be extra gentlemanly.

I had a HUGE crush on one of my college professors, a romantic and aesthetic appreciation that verged on the sexual. At first it made me very uncomfortable, but I talked to one of my friends about it and he figured there's no point in limiting myself emotionally. I wasn't turning straight or even turning bi, I was just having an unexpected infatuation. No big deal. These things happen.

This was the second mention of professors. I also have felt this way about some of my professors - but it never verged on the sexual. I guess I just need to self-examine a little more and figure out how to distinguish respect and love.

I lost the message that said it was just a best friends thing. This makes sense to me too. The two girls I was specifically thinking about when I typed the first post are two of my best friends.

Thanks again guys!!

 

[ahotjock71]

^ Jealousy is an ugly thing, baby.

It's all me, and my hard work. If you knew anything about weight lifting (which looking at your pics, you don't) you would realize I work my bi's harder than my tri's, beacuse I don't like the look of large tri's.

 

[smile86]

some of my girlfriends are very pretty and have nice curves. one in particular has beautiful eyes, i love her eyes. but i've never felt like kissing them or being romantic or sexual with them. they're attractive but i don't want to fuck them, i can just see why they get all the guys i would quite like to fuck!