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George Bush senior

Bush is less mentioned because he was not polarizing.

He would have had a much different legacy if his son had not ascended the American throne.

George Herbert Walker Bush was a moderate by most standards. He had to ally with more conservative elements as a political necessity of building a coalition to win. He was demonstrably uncomfortable with the far right and tried to distance himself from the anti-abortion caucus. His wife was an able campaigner which inevitably drew fire as he son approached being elected, but she had a deep following in the nation which far exceeded her GOP.

Unlike Reagan's rhetoric which is a real precursor of the garbage that today comes out of President Trump's mouth and machine, Bush attempted to be the president of the people. His service in multiple high ranking government positions like CIA and the State Department were the bedrock that proved he was qualified.

Unfortunately, he served in the White House in the post-Watergate era and was lampooned more fiercely and with more devastating effect than the presidents before Nixon had to weather. He is often belittled, but his quote about "warts and all" will always make him an endearing figure to those who assess leaders.

As a moderate in many areas, I will have no problem mourning the loss of President G. H. W. Bush, and honor his term as POTUS.

We will quickly find harsh liberals here who will use this thread to post bitter acrimony against him, and that is a part of the spectrum, but in the rank and file of the country, Bush Sr. is not hated, not despised, and not seen in the same light as his son or the present administration.

His loss will be eclipsed by Christmas soon, but he is due the honor of serving the high office.

May he find rest, and may he know the mercy of the God whom he has gone to meet.
 
He was no ally to the lgbt community.

He is only being mourned by many today because he just seems so much better by comparison with the current oval office occupant.
 
No, he is being mourned today by many Americans because he served his country well. Canadians may not mourn any of our leaders.

He was admired by many long before Trump ever mentioned the White House.

There is a long tradition of honoring public servants who have died, whether they are just privates who served in the military, or the Commander-in-Chief.

In times past, that respect has been extended to foes and allies alike in the political spectrum. Men were not reduced to a litmus test on a single issue, be it taxation, environment, social policy, race, hawk/dove, or other.

The policies of G.H.W. Bush were not as progressive as Democrats, but he was no rabid Evangelical, yet had to make his positions in such a way to try to remain in office.

Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John F Kennedy, and other lionized Democrats would not pass the litmus test of being pro-gay either, but that did not mean they were not distinguished public servants.

If we were not gay men ourselves, it is highly doubtful we would have been as pro-gay in past decades. It is an unfair measure that assumes wisdom gained today was manifest in centuries or decades past.

It's similarly popular to assume that racism existed only in the South when civil rights movements began standing up in the South, yet many Northern and Western areas had (and have) virulent but silent racism. The Boston School Bussing Desegregation happened between 1974 and 1988, long after the foment in the South.

Don't listen to narratives that portray men and places in black and white terms. The Late President was not as progressive of the left, but he was no enemy of gays. He began hate crime tracking which included gay attacks, and he removed sexual deviance from immigration rules which allowed gays to avoid being barred. He was a moderate. He took moderate positions.
 
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We might have been more liberal, rather than less.

The progress of legal equality for LGBT's might not accurately reflect people's actual opinions over the years, in the same way that what folks actually think about drugs or prostitution at a certain time isn't represented in the laws of the land. It takes decades before ideas ever become enshrined in legislation if that ever happens at all.
 
Yes, but if we were politicians and relied on electorates and coalitions to gain or retain power, our personal views would quickly become obscured by our political stances.
 
My views of George Herbert Walker Bush pretty much echo Hardup's. Republicanism of his type, from the moderate Northeast wing of the party, is virtually extinct these days. Even in retirement he stood for service and volunteerism... commitment to being part of a community bigger than individual egos and partisan agendas and was quite close to both former Presidents Bill Clinton and Barack Obama(who had a very pleasant meeting with him just in the past week), both Democrats. Yes, he was very flawed, but had a lot of damn good qualities too, which are not found much anymore among Republicans in leadership positions these days. RIP Mr. President, thanks for your service and your kinder and gentler take on how we approach our fellow Americans of all stripes.
 
I had the great honor of being awarded a large catering order aboard a private plane for George and Barbara Bush in July 1994.A three leg journey from Newark airport to Burbank and back again. I requested/asked that the former President sign one of our menus at the time. He ended up signing the itinerary instead with a quick note. Hanging in my home office still. :)


R.I.P. and thank you for your service.
 
We should also honor every other members of the Nazi party because they were public servants.

Sorry, Bush supported a party that gave us Trump. And he was no friend of lgbt.
 
RIP, We as a nation were fortunate to have him as a servant, both in war and in peace.
 
NotHardUp1 said:
No, he is being mourned today by many Americans because he served his country well. Canadians may not mourn any of our leaders.

He was admired by many long before Trump ever mentioned the White House.

There is a long tradition of honoring public servants who have died, whether they are just privates who served in the military, or the Commander-in-Chief.

In times past, that respect has been extended to foes and allies alike in the political spectrum. Men were not reduced to a litmus test on a single issue, be it taxation, environment, social policy, race, hawk/dove, or other.

The policies of G.H.W. Bush were not as progressive as Democrats, but he was no rabid Evangelical, yet had to make his positions in such a way to try to remain in office.

Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, John F Kennedy, and other lionized Democrats would not pass the litmus test of being pro-gay either, but that did not mean they were not distinguished public servants.

If we were not gay men ourselves, it is highly doubtful we would have been as pro-gay in past decades. It is an unfair measure that assumes wisdom gained today was manifest in centuries or decades past.

It's similarly popular to assume that racism existed only in the South when civil rights movements began standing up in the South, yet many Northern and Western areas had (and have) virulent but silent racism. The Boston School Bussing Desegregation happened between 1974 and 1988, long after the foment in the South.

Don't listen to narratives that portray men and places in black and white terms. The Late President was not as progressive of the left, but he was no enemy of gays. He began hate crime tracking which included gay attacks, and he removed sexual deviance from immigration rules which allowed gays to avoid being barred. He was a moderate. He took moderate positions.
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Oh trust me. Canadians have mourned the passing of Us Presidents.

Like the end of the Obama era.

Probably one of the greatest things Bush ever did was resin from the NRA in 1995, writing;

"... your broadside against Federal agents deeply offends my own sense of decency and honor; and it offends my concept of service to country. It indirectly slanders a wide array of government law enforcement officials, who are out there, day and night, laying their lives on the line for all of us,” Bush wrote in the letter.

“Please remove my name from your membership list,”
 
aristomaniac said:
We should also honor every other members of the Nazi party because they were public servants.

Sorry, Bush supported a party that gave us Trump. And he was no friend of lgbt.
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Utterly ridiculous comparison. While I've grown more liberal again over the years, the one thing that estranged me from the left was the 'better than you' moral condescension and derision by a large element of progressives that in different but no less dangerous ways than the isolationism, chauvinism and bigotry on the right. Today there is so much hatred on the right and left.... the unwillingness to see complexity and dignity of each and every person and circumstance even in disagreement. You win more people anyway to your side... at least get respectful listens... when you don't come across a scold who views things only in black in white instead of grey moral complexities. I will never agree with a lot of things a conservative of good will but different perspective will think, but I can't hate the person because they are every bit worthy of dignity and respect as people as I am, anyone else for that matter. They have different life experiences.... maybe on some things I could eventually understand and have sympathies and maybe even agreement with, ultimately. We are not different species, for fuck's sake. I have no control on anyone in matters of what to believe, how to view life and political perspectives. But I won't sit back and see civility and dignity keep getting pushed to the gutter....something I CAN control, when as a society we are so divided and willing to treat every disagreement or person we disagree with as evil like a Nazi or Stalinist. His rating as President has risen among historians appreciative of his willingness to build coalitions and deal with people with kindness and respect and civility in that now his is regarded as one of the most successful and impactful one term presidencies. He was on the whole a good man who tried to live a life of service and treat people with dignity and respect. Trumpist instincts were anathema to him, the current divisions and hyperpartisanship particularly on the right incompatible with his nature. Won't come back again to add anything else, I've said what I have to say and that's that. However I wanted to strongly add my voice as a person who believes we have to be positive and constructive to the best of our efforts, because it's so easy but so destructive to go off on a tear against those you don't like or agree with. Yet that approach will get us nowhere. Liberals and progressives who are so focused on pettiness and score settling could be more dangerous in the end getting our message across than any ignoramus President on the right like Trump or his ilk.
 
aristomaniac said:
We should also honor every other members of the Nazi party because they were public servants.

Sorry, Bush supported a party that gave us Trump. And he was no friend of lgbt.
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If you are German, please do proceed, but the topic was American Presidents for 1000, Alex.

You are participating in the very identity politics that put us where we are today. George H. W. Bush vehemently opposed the nomination of Donald Trump. Both Presidents Bush refused to attend the GOP Convention that nominated Trump. Both Bushes refused to endorse him.

The zero sum game simply does not work in politics. To do so means you honor Democrats because they supported civil rights, ignoring the fact that they ran Jim Crow in the South. It means you support the GOP because Lincoln opposed slavery.

You can't have it both ways. If party affiliation is the grounds for respect or contempt, you must by association be supporting George Wallace, Robert Byrd, LBJ, and Strom Thurmond. See how that works?

You are welcome to respect or not the 41st president of the U.S., but he was no more responsible for Trump's ascendancy than is the DNC for bungling the race and backing the Clinton nomination when it was a losing proposition from the get go. That leaves one voting for a candidate further left, which was a throwaway vote.

In fact, Trump campaigned AGAINST the GOP from within it, like some virus that infected an insect and then killed it. The powerful among the GOP insiders, like McCain, like Romney, like all the Bushes, were unable to thwart him. Ultimately, even the erstwhile radical fringe like Ted Cruz could not stop him. That doesn't sound like the GOP to me. That sounds like the Dems were so piss-poor and blind in their stay-the-course strategy that they handed the election to an outsider.

If anyone gave us Trump, it's the idealogues on the Far Left who have grown shriller and shriller until the nation stopped following or believing, regardless of the non-stop diet the nation press served up as supposedly objective. The nation wasn't drinking the Kool-aid, and Trump is the result.
 
rareboy said:
Oh trust me. Canadians have mourned the passing of Us Presidents.

Like the end of the Obama era.

Probably one of the greatest things Bush ever did was resin from the NRA in 1995, writing;

"... your broadside against Federal agents deeply offends my own sense of decency and honor; and it offends my concept of service to country. It indirectly slanders a wide array of government law enforcement officials, who are out there, day and night, laying their lives on the line for all of us,” Bush wrote in the letter.

“Please remove my name from your membership list,”
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Bush's stand on principle was indeed a great moment.

But politicians only have so many of those cards to play, and he chose to not spend his capital on the more progressive position of gay marriage.

President Obama opposed gay marriage. Will HE be the butt of scorn for hard left gays when HE dies? I think not. I also think he will not be held accountable for turning in the political wind when it was expedient.

Obama, whom I supported in TWO national races, failed to stop the black sites where we illegally hold prisoners. He failed to reform immigration. He failed to make health care affordable, despite championing a bill that provided it in name only to the working poor. They can no more afford health care under $3,000 to $10,000 deductibles than they could before they had insurance.

Mourn or not, but our presidents answer to OUR electorate, and the commentary of non-citizens is but a footnote. Whether they are or are not progressive, militant, socialist, or whatever else enough that a foreign citizen opines does not change the fact that they are American governors, dealing with American issues, and ultimately are honored or not by Americans first.

And, the great swell of press today honoring George Herbert Walker Bush's service to his country speaks volumes about what are yet shared values, and rejects the premise that it is some sort of consolation prize for not being Trump. Your voice is not germane in speaking of what America values.
 
the bar is not set very high for republicans ---they are graded on a learning curve Dems are not---as far as republicans go he was decent enough man and out of office he seemed to be well loved by the Clintons and the Obamas--showing how a statesman is suppose to act.
The absolute worse thing he did was give us his punk ass moron son---who started to destroy this country in every way---which was coming attractions to the orange abomination we have now.
 
nycguydowntown said:
the bar is not set very high for republicans ---they are graded on a learning curve Dems are not---as far as republicans go he was decent enough man and out of office he seemed to be well loved by the Clintons and the Obamas--showing how a statesman is suppose to act.
The absolute worse thing he did was give us his punk ass moron son---who started to destroy this country in every way---which was coming attractions to the orange abomination we have now.
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This is the reaction I am seeing a lot of today from people who are not just swallowed up by misty eyed and maudlin 'patriotism'.

I would also say that Sausy more or less hit the mark.

His rating as President has risen among historians appreciative of his willingness to build coalitions and deal with people with kindness and respect and civility in that now his is regarded as one of the most successful and impactful one term presidencies. He was on the whole a good man who tried to live a life of service and treat people with dignity and respect. Trumpist instincts were anathema to him, the current divisions and hyperpartisanship particularly on the right incompatible with his nature.
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The farther away that the US moves from a willingness to work together on issues and to forge a compromise for the good of the country and as long as the presidency continues to be degraded by Trump, the more kindly history will look on the period of GHWB.
 
Former Canadian prime minister Brian Muroney will speak at Bush's funeral. They were good friends:

Mulroney, whose nine years in power overlapped with Bush's four, said the last time he saw his friend was in late September, when he was in Kennebunkport, Maine, to accept the George Bush Award for Excellence in Public Service.

Bush wasn't well enough to attend the event, so Mulroney paid the former president a visit at home before the ceremony.

Bush asked to hear Mulroney's acceptance speech, so the former prime minister read it out to him. The two friends also spent time listening to music and talking.

"It was just a delightful experience, and my last visit with him after all these years," Mulroney said Saturday in an interview.

"I think we both knew that that was probably the last visit we were going to have."
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If you don't read the article, George asked Brian if he would speak at his funeral. Mulroney said he would be "honoured".

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trudeau-other-canadians-offer-condolences-132704961.html
 
Did little to no harm, which these days is good enough for me. But he sired G.W. Jr., whose presidency was disastrous beyond any reckoning, and for that reason alone it would have been better had he never been born.
 
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