George W Bush admits he's a drunk, war criminal and failure

[palemale]

I wasn't aware that overcoming alcoholism was something to be condemned.

Many alcoholics stop drinking, but the underlying personality disorders remain. Bush is a good example of this phenomenon.

 

[altlover85]

I wasn't aware that overcoming alcoholism was something to be condemned.

Yeah, I don't understand where this hatred over the fact that he overcame alcoholism is coming from.

We get that not everyone has struggles with addiction, but I don't think that admitting you had struggles is something that should be ammunition used against you for ridicule.

palemale, I think even wanting to be president is something of a personality disorder.

 

[CowboyBob]

Yeah, I don't understand where this hatred over the fact that he overcame alcoholism is coming from.

You are making assumptions and putting words into my mouth. No one said he's hated for overcoming alcoholism or hated for anything.

Re-read my posts. Bush admitted he's a drunk, war criminal and failure. He's respected for admitting his failures. Can you admit them too or will this thread be filled with his defenders?

Another attempt to derail a thread. Happens all the time.

 

[justapixel]

so why are you incessantly condemning him as a drunk?.

That is all he's got.

EPIC FAIL thread.

 

[CowboyBob]

That is all he's got.

EPIC FAIL thread.

This is what's expected of you.

Understandable why you're a Bush fan; drunk, war criminal and failure.

 

[CowboyBob]

George Bush admitted to abusing alcohol in the past and giving it up.

so why are you incessantly condemning him as a drunk?

there are so many legitimate reasons to hate the man without resorting to partisan hackery.

Argumentative. I see you do this in virtually thread you reply in.

But at least you hate him for many legitimate reasons.

 

[jackoroe]

Sorry I can't get all worked up that he used to drink and quit. Our current prez has admitted coke use in his past, I don't hold that against him either. It's in the past. You could make an argument about the content of the character of either man, based on these actions, but to what end?

As to the war criminal business, as determined by whom? The dem Congress has had ample opportunity to make their case as has the world court. Their silence has been deafening. So, that's pretty much a non starter. If there was anything there, I find it difficult to believe the outgoing speaker and company wouldn't have made hay of it.

Failure, sure why not. That's subjective and we all see it in our own way. I'm just past his whole presidency. He had his time, now it's over. I wish him a long and happy retirement, as I do every former president. I prefer to deal with the here and now, that's all.

 

[Kulindahr]

Couldn't it also be an issue of young people not caring about the midterm elections?

Tragically short-sighted, if so.

I wasn't aware that overcoming alcoholism was something to be condemned.

 

[Kulindahr]

Many alcoholics stop drinking, but the underlying personality disorders remain. Bush is a good example of this phenomenon.

You're stating something as an absolute... that isn't.

Sometimes personality disorders contribute to acting on alcoholism, but the condition itself is generally acknowledged to be biological/genetic and neither related to nor dependent on other conditions.

In one rigorous study of alcoholism and personality disorders, only 40% of alcoholics were found to fit the criteria of any personality disorder at all. In a study of alcoholics whose condition had led them to treatment, only about half were found to have personality disorders.


So for your claim to be worth anything, you'd have to establish that Bush did have personality disorder issues, that those contributed to his acting on alcoholism, and then that in fact any remain.

 

[Kulindahr]

palemale, I think even wanting to be president is something of a personality disorder.

Heh -- send that to the psych association.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re-read my posts. Bush admitted he's a drunk, war criminal and failure. He's respected for admitting his failures. Can you admit them too or will this thread be filled with his defenders?

Another attempt to derail a thread. Happens all the time.

I've read your posts, and so far, at best you're distorting what he said. But on the biggest point you're lying: you refuse to allow that anything about Bush for which you could condemn him is past.

This is what's expected of you.

Understandable why you're a Bush fan; drunk, war criminal and failure.

And all you can do is repeat the mantra! He is not a drunk, he's definitely not a failure -- and he didn't admit, as far as you've shown, that he's a war criminal.


From what you've provided, and some snippets from elsewhere, and being generous to your position, Bush admitted that he was a drunk, that he authorized questionable activities during the Iraq escapade, and that he had failures along the way.
So what Bush said, and what you've said, are two different things.

 

[CowboyBob]

Wrong Kulindar.

Waterboarding is torture. Bush approved the use of torture which is against international law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

Bush has lost his head of state immunity and under international law the U.S. is now mandated to start criminal proceedings against all those involved in violations of the UN Convention Against Torture.

Former President Bush is criminally responsible for adopting torture as interrogation tool.

He better not leave the country or he'll spend time in a foreign prison. He's a war criminal.

Failure?:

The economy that was given to him by President Clinton, and the economy he left for President Obama. That speaks for itself. He failed. The worst terrorist attack on American soil happened under his watch. Started an illegal war under false pretenses. He didn't keep Americans safe.

Drunk?:

Laura Bush threatened to leave him if he didn't stop drinking. Arrested for DUI. Interesting to see how the Bush fans focus on one thing. Please defend his torture and failure as President.

I realize it's hard for Republicans (but I'm not saying you're a Republican, Kuli) to admit how bad he was as President, but face it. He was all the thread title said and worse.

 

[rareboy]

Oh so your earlier post where you blame Americans for using their home as a 'piggy bank' was in error or just being ignorant to the true causes?

Or wait ... how much will the Democrats get done now that they pissed away power? Oh yeah ..... nothing. Same old story.

You obviously didn't read the entire post. I also made reference to the citizens of the US allowing their government to squander money on war. The other half of the equation was using their real estate as a bank machine to buy shit they couldn't afford.

 

[jackoroe]

Wrong Kulindar.

Waterboarding is torture. Bush approved the use of torture which is against international law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding



He better not leave the country or he'll spend time in a foreign prison. He's a war criminal.

So, how's that mandatory prosecution we have to do coming along???
Fact is, it's not. Nor will it ever happen.

Nobody is going to get their panties all in up in a twist over waterboarding a few "people" who like killing innocent women and children, not to mention how gay friendly they are. They gave up their humanity when they joined these terrorist groups. Fuck them and the horse they rode in on.

 

[Kulindahr]

Wrong Kulindar.

. . . .

I realize it's hard for Republicans (but I'm not saying you're a Republican, Kuli) to admit how bad he was as President, but face it. He was all the thread title said and worse.

First you say I'm wrong, then you concede my point.

Interesting.

 

[bike10]

I never trusted a word Bush uttered for 8 years as president. Will not waste my time reading a attempt by Bush to rewrite history.

 

[JB3]

I never trusted a word Bush uttered for 8 years as president. Will not waste my time reading a attempt by Bush to rewrite history.

From what is coming out, its actually pretty candid, even if it makes him look like an idiot.