Getting Closer To A Fiscal Cliff Deal

[JayHawk]

What's with your attitude lately? Behave like an adult if you want to discuss adult topics.

I said nothing of any plan. All I did was respond to another poster that implied this president has no hand in increasing our debt.

I am behaving like an adult. Why would you postulate something that does not have a chance of existing in reality. That is why I asked for you to provide a plan to defeat a recession handed to the man before he walked in the door. It is incredibly tiring listening to people make comparisons that are not even remotely based in reality. Bush CHOSE to spend money on Senior Drug programs and two wars on a credit card while giving tax rates to his party that continued to increase our debt because he and the republican congress was failing to pay our bills.

So given a recession on par but not as steep as the great depression how do you propose we get out of that with the least American citizen suffering? It is fun to say Obama has a big tab, not place it in context and then pretend you have made an adult point. In reality Obama has shrank our spending levels... had republicans allowed him to govern we would have a trillion less debt right now... easily.


On the fiscal cliff apparently Biden and McConnell worked through into the new year to make the deal. I would be lying if I said that I thought it was going to pass the house. Not until Boehner has his speakership vote in two days... if it does I will be surprised.

U.S. Budget Compromise Deal Reached

agreement that would let income-tax rates rise for the first time in nearly 20 years, maintain unemployment benefits for millions of people and blunt the impact of spending cuts that were looming as part of the so-called "fiscal cliff."

The long-sought compromise, which will raise taxes on income over $450,000 for couples, was approved by the Senate in the early morning hours Tuesday. The House was expected to consider it later in the day

the house has their embarrassing debacle at noon... I mean the house considers the bill at noon.....

 

[JayHawk]

Perhaps those of you under the illusion that democrats spend more than republicans should do some research. Equally those of you under the assumption that Obama has spent through the roof compared to anyone ever, for ever, ever.... should do a bit of research as well...

Has Obama Spent More Than Any Other U.S. President in History? Yes and No

Cheers.

 

[frankfrank]

I honestly and sincerely believe from everything I've ever seen, read, heard and experienced of the conservative worldview that they would say even two totally wasted wars are a better investment than seeing any of that money go to "parasites" here at home who are part of our economy. Or for services, infrastructure or jobs that help or service them.

The defense contractors are "parasites," too.

Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with anything. It could have just as easily been invading Denmark as far as accomplishing the goal you mention.

The same type of TRUTH (that, indeed, Iraq had nothing to do with NineOneOne), of course, would say that in 1941, when Pearl Harbor was bombed, the USA should have invaded Iceland.

Indeed PNAC, The Project for the New American Century think tank, suggested in the 1990's that the United States needed another Pearl Harbor in order to give an excuse to flex military muscle and assert military superiority and hubris over the rest of the planet.,

 

[Jack Springer]

I don't know... ask the people in the republican party why they keep dragging their feet...

Ronald Reagan... ugh worst president since Harding. do better than that.

The republicans are willing to take this country off the cliff for a filthy political agenda.

Obama's solution is to raise taxes without addressing spending. How can that make you happy?

 

[JayHawk]

The deal penned by the Senate has a lot of items in it actually...

Highlights of Senate bill averting 'fiscal cliff'

I posted an abbreviated version of the bills items as covered in the link above... however they forbid reproduction I just saw... so go to the link... lots in that bill.

So essentially it assigns the Debt Ceiling as the new OMG crisis that will be covered wall to wall with much hand wringing....

Anyone who follows the spending of our Congress understands that a trillion has been cut already and Obama is actually spending at the lowest level of increases compared to every President since Hoover. The only people under the illusion that that isn't so also were under the illusion that all polls were wrong and Romney would win.

 

[xbuzzerx]

The defense contractors are "parasites," too.

Of course they are. But when the right talks about parasites they are talking about W2 wage earners who fall under 250k a year.

 

[frankfrank]

AUSTERITY DOESN'T FUCKING WORK. Want a recession? Follow what the republicans are saying... austerity would slide this nation back into a recession.

The Republicans aspire to the United States having a national economic structure [strike]similar to[/strike] WORSE THAN that of Saudi Arabia.

Not to mention a theocracy also similar to those of the Middle East, with heresy and other such things returning as crimes, and prisons near every major intersection providing slave labor to make products.

The Incarceration Nation.

Hey! Look! That brings JOBS back to the United States.

A thin but impermeable layer of the über-rich at the top, burying the yearning, starving masses underneath. Sort of like the liner on a landfill built upside-down.

After they successfully steal the wealth of 99.3% of Americans, the world's first Trillionaires would emerge.

Go to hell, Eric Cantor. Take Darrell Issa with you, please.

 

[chance1]

^ hyperbole much ?

just saw Debbie Wasserman Schultz on with the Wolf (Blitzer)

lots of hand wringing

IF the Repubs in the House fuck this up ............. they will have continued what seems to be a pattern of overplaying their hand

"get them to sign on the line that is dotted" - name the movie

 

[chance1]

The repugs have been overplaying their hand for two years. How is that anything new?

They have been fucking this country over extensively.

it's just that they've sorta been handed a gift - the deal on the table is not so heinous even to extremers - with a fight down the road that they can partake in if they so desire - and an income level for tax cuts to stop at a compromised figure

it can only get worse (for them)

 

[xbuzzerx]

They want a nation with an economic structure similar to that of El Salvador. Where 15 or 20 families control 97% of the wealth and the rest are left in dire poverty. By advocating government cutbacks and neglecting infrastructure, republicans are in the end shooting themselves in the foot. Infrastructure crumbling in this country and all they can talk about is tax cuts and spending cuts... both of which are failures.

If we don't invest in our infrastructure, our economy will be in serious peril. Dwight Eisenhower would be turning in his grave looking at the morons that took over his party.

And they don't care even though people would THINK that they would care because "who is going to support your businesses or keep you rich if everyone is poor" but most of these people are transnationals with interests that transcend just the U.S. market or economy. I don't think B.P. honestly cares that much about whether the average purchasing power of U.S. households is going up or down.

 

[Jack Springer]

We hit the fiscal cliff and the world did not end. One day at a time.

I'm hoping that the House votes the bill down and Obama gets what he wants.

 

[cocksucker4use]

OK, so all the king's horses and all the king's men...couldn't get it done. How the FUCK do these assholes (Dem, Rep, top, bottom, whatever) have the cajones to even pretend to give a fuck about US? Out with the lot of 'em! Any incumbent in the next 4 years should be thrown out on his/her ass. No sense debating who was right and who was wrong. We the People are FUCKED, and who do we pay to take care of business? They're all to blame. And they call ME a stupid cocksucker.....

 

[JayHawk]

it's just that they've sorta been handed a gift - the deal on the table is not so heinous even to extremers - with a fight down the road that they can partake in if they so desire - and an income level for tax cuts to stop at a compromised figure

it can only get worse (for them)

Cantor already said he cannot support the bill. he is the Majority leader and will take the opinion of the majority with him. They will craft an alternative bill that demands all of their wish list like previous ransom demands they have passed off as negotiation. The Senate already left Washington and wont be back to vote on a deal or counter a ridiculous republican offer until jan 3rd..... After Boehner is voted speaker again.

We hit the fiscal cliff and the world did not end. One day at a time.

I'm hoping that the House votes the bill down and Obama gets what he wants.

I do too but not for the childish reason you push such an idea. You actually want people to suffer because that is what republicans use to get their way fear and suffering.

I want the vote to fail and the cliff to continue 'cliffing' because republicans will be eviscerated for it and i can think of no better gift to this country. However if republicans voted on the bi-partisan deal support almost unanimously by the Senate then whatever ransom demand they bring up should be rejected. This country does not negotiate with terrorist.

 

[Jack Springer]

^^^

Who's going to suffer? The unemployed -- they've been suffering for 4 years.

This bill is a mess. Congress and the President didn't accomplish anything with this bill except raise taxes -- nothing to solve the country's problems. 2013 will be littered with similar cliffs month-after-month.

Tax rate increases are stupid -- the really rich will not pay. Close the fucking loopholes -- make the rich pay. I honestly think that Obama is stupid -- he doesn't understand.


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[xbuzzerx]

^^^

Who's going to suffer? The unemployed -- they've been suffering for 4 years.

So wait are you now unhappy that FEDERAL SPENDING won't be increased to take care of all those "parasites"?

Could you please get your story straight?

 

[JayHawk]

And gentlemen we have a deal. If things would just go to the floor for a vote then America could be legislated again. I was wrong about Boehner. I did not think he has the moxie to have a vote before his speakership vote.

But Mr. Boehner (R., Ohio), who didn't take a position on the bill, turned back conservative demands that the bill be amended to include more spending cuts. He argued that such changes risked killing the bill—and exposing the GOP to blame for tax increases, spending cuts and possible turmoil in the economy as a result.

Boehner was right a new congress and new negotiations would have started Jan 3rd.

 

[andysayshi]

Chance will be glad to read:

it blocked a congressional pay raise that could have provoked the wrath of voters who view Congress with disdain for its chronic brinkmanship and failure to solve major problems.

 

[JayHawk]

Obama says it is time we had these types of votes before the last minute and before we scare the shit out of everyone.

He also firmly maintained that republicans using the debt ceiling to refuse to pay debt they already authorized is irresponsible and not the course for leading through the future cuts discussions.

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Chance will be glad to read:

Yeah he already saw that because that was the Senate wording.

 

[JayHawk]

It is GC but at the end of the day they lsot in November and these were the death throws.

I wills till give credit. Boehner had the courage to offer the bill. Knowing he will probably pay a price in a few days.

We can only hope the new congress is less intransigent.

What also just dawned on me is that the history books will call Obama genius for having the foresight to have a thirty year Senator be his right hand man. This is Biden's hard work. Hopefully we can see the same balanced approach on spending cuts and gun violence.

 

[Centexfarmer]

So wait are you now unhappy that FEDERAL SPENDING won't be increased to take care of all those "parasites"?

Could you please get your story straight?

Not possible.

There are too many "low information" voters to be exploited, and told who to blame for their lot in life.

Hint: Anyone but those who are actually TOO blame.

Which at this point is both parties, but why sully good talking points?