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Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it? [merged]

Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

. Do you know how many more AIDS cases there would be if you could get it from oral?! We would all be sick! Most guys don't even swallow but if you did your digestive acids would kill it and do you know how much precum or even saliva you would have to drink to get it? A gallon. That's why no one gets it from deep kissing.



Thank you, that really needed to be said here!

I will say.....everyone has their own level of risk - do what you feel you need to do.


:-)
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

No, eight percent is not low.... it is actually quite high by medical statistics. And you're right, I can't prove it... but the evidence is pretty damn strong in my favor and your personal experience doesn't mean anything to me. We're talking about a lot larger number than one. And some people are more resistant to HIV infection... maybe you're one of those lucky ones.

And as adidasluvr points out, HIV has one of the lowest transmission rates of all the STDs. There are many others.
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

But isn't it 8% of those infected? Therefore, you need to multiply the overall risk of contracting HIV (not sure if this has been quantified enough to enable this) by 0.08 (making an assumption that all that contract HIV do oral, of course), to get an overall probability?

It still is a risk, but a lot less so when viewed in that way.

Also, a bigger sample size is probably necessary, and I do think you need to be very careful to be certain that these 8 had ONLY had oral. Very difficult to prove.

Still, the general comments about not slutting around and not putting yourself at risk of ALL STDs by blowing any old Joe, especially at cruising areas, I would agree with totally. I have done it, regretted it, and gone and got myself tested. All fine, thankfully, but that's the thing with probability - just because you do something, doesn't mean you are going to get the consequence, but equally, just because you get away with it, doesn't mean you always will....
 
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I'd like to point out that the 8% number comes from just one study with a rather small sample size. That doesn't mean it's not worth considering, but it's certainly not definitive. Unfortunately, it's not only hard to get meaningful numbers from studies like this (almost everybody has varied sexual practices) but it's hard to get grant money from the gov't to even do them at all these days.

A handful of orally transmitted cases have been identified in various countries, but the numbers tend to be very small because it's rare to find somebody who only has oral sex and has it frequently enough and has bad enough luck to get HIV while doing it.
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

I'd like to point out that the 8% number comes from just one study with a rather small sample size.

Very true but as you pointed out, getting a good sample size is a very difficult task. I was just using it as evidence that you can in fact get HIV from oral sex.

But isn't it 8% of those infected? Therefore, you need to multiply the overall risk of contracting HIV (not sure if this has been quantified enough to enable this) by 0.08 (making an assumption that all that contract HIV do oral, of course), to get an overall probability?

While I don't know statistics that well, I don't think you can use this number of eight percent to extrapolate to your probability of contracting HIV from oral sex. You need some more data in order to do that. I'm just saying that if 8% of those infected really did get it from oral sex, that's a pretty high number from a medical perspective.

You're never going to know how many HIV pos people you'd have to suck off in order to get HIV. But I still think that it is like playing a little russian roulette... just a matter of how many empty chambers there are. There's still at least one chamber with a bullet.
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

Sucking dick with a condom?!! What's next...we can't kiss?!

Damn before long we probably can't even HAVE SEX..it will just be articifical!!
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

well, kissing exposes you to diseases also now that you mention it. Ever heard of mononucleosis? There are others too. So yeah, maybe better stick with just porn the rest of your life.

NO, that's not what I'm (or anybody else) is saying. Just giving you the risks. There are risks in all of life... like crossing the street, but you still do it. It's up to you to determine how much risk you are willing to take.
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

It's interesting to look at some of the more recent research that references the article (now about 8 years old) Adidasluvr mentioned and the one JockBoy mentioned (about the 8%):

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=3928980848905780475
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=14085632536047775247

This is one article referenced by both:

http://scholar.google.com/url?sa=U&...00211220-00022.htm?nav=search&fullimage=false

I guess it's nice to read at least that there's still a lot of research going on in this area that will over time help better shape public health policies on safer sex.
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

Thanks for the article drhladnjak. While I'm not sure that we'll ever have exact numbers on it, I think the article sums it up nicely.... the risk of getting HIV from oral sex is lower than from anal sex, but there is still a risk. I'm not saying that everybody should have protected oral sex... that's each individual's choice. And if you're having unprotected sex, oral is safer than anal without question. But there still is a risk for oral.

It's difficult to ever put a number on your risk b/c to do a good study on it is virtually impossible. You have to rely on why people tell you about their sexual practices and such. It is unethical to do a double blinded placebo controlled trial in this circumstance which is the gold standard.
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

Just go with the hand jobs - that's as safe as can be! lol
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

STIs can be scary. It's good to be informed, but it's easy to get overwhelmed when reading a lot about them. I'd say it's good to be a little scared. You want to be scared enough that you think about it, but not so scared that you never have sex with anybody.

The chances of getting any STI are complicated by all sorts of factors like what stage the infection is in (for example, herpes is way more contagious during breakouts), the health of your mouth (there's some evidence that smokers contract certain STDs at higher rates) and the specifics of sex acts (did he come in your mouth? did you swallow?). Also, I get the impression that not as much research is devoted to studying the transmission rates for diseases like Gonorrhea because they're usually easily cured by a course of antibiotics.

Like Adidasluvr mentioned, STIs are just a fact of being a sexually active adult. Most people will never have one, but they're not out of the ordinary at all especially for people who've had more than just one partner over their lifetime. I've known some guys with many, many sex partners who have never had one and others with few partners that have. Beyond knowing the risks, it's important to get tested for these sorts of things on a regular basis. How often depends on your activity level, affordability of testing and just general comfort level with it.

Personally, I accept certain risks and act responsibly wrt getting tested. I've been vaccinated against hep B (and tested positive for the antibodies--so the vaccine took), so I don't worry too much about that one. I get tested every six months for the common bacterial infections and accept that some day I may have to take a course of antibiotics should I pick something up. HPV and Herpes worry me a bit more (being that they're viral with no cure and no real test), but I keep in mind that neither is directly life threatening and both can be managed without nearly as much trouble as HIV.

On top of all that, I take certain precautions (condoms always for anal sex, no cum in my mouth) and I try not to sleep around with guys I don't know. Almost all the guys I've been with have my contact info. I'd expect them to let me know if they get something or at least have the county public health officials call anonymously on their behalf (they do this in a lot of cities).

I think it's also important to remember that you're being exposed to different diseases all the time inside and outside of sexual contexts. People get colds, the flu, meningitis and hepatitis A (just to list a few) from simple casual everyday things, but all of these can be transmitted when you're physically intimate with somebody too. I've never had a typical STD, but I was really miserable once with strep throat I caught from the only true one night stand I've ever had #-o
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

I think that unprotected oral sex is the hole in the dam of STD's, at least in the gay community. The hunger for oral sex and the dismissal of the use of condoms for it create an easy pathway for viral and bacterial transmission. I'm surprised that it hasn't become the source of a bigger problem than it already has.

I certainly understand the feelings here. A beautiful penis, all hard and majestic looks anything but unsafe. No warts, no sores, the guy says he is clean, go for it, right?

I have tried oral sex with a condom and it isn't pleasant. Its definitely a mood killer. So what we need is a barrier made specifically for this.
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

There have been no documented cases of getting HIV from sucking cock.
Hypothetically; the only way to get it would be if you have an open sore in your mouth and an infected guys cum comes in contact with that sore.

Personally speaking, sucking cock with even those flavored condoms is unappealing to me. I prefer the taste of cock, cum, and the smell of male sweat/musk (not latex);)
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

There have been no documented cases of getting HIV from sucking cock.
Hypothetically; the only way to get it would be if you have an open sore in your mouth and an infected guys cum comes in contact with that sore.

Actually, that is not true as there are documented cases of HIV from oral sex. I don't want to start this conversation all over again as it is posted elsewhere. But you can get HIV from oral sex, but the transmission rates are considerably lower than with anal sex. And there is some evidence that you may not necessarily have to have sores in the mouth during oral sex to contract the disease. So if you want to be safe... I'd say wrap it up. I agree with riverrick about some sort of oral sex barrier developement... I just don't have any ideas at the moment.

And here is the link --O2-- referred to....

http://www.cdc.gov/std/default.htm

It's a good resource... thanks O2
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

Actually, that is not true as there are documented cases of HIV from oral sex. I don't want to start this conversation all over again as it is posted elsewhere. But you can get HIV from oral sex, but the transmission rates are considerably lower than with anal sex. And there is some evidence that you may not necessarily have to have sores in the mouth during oral sex to contract the disease. So if you want to be safe... I'd say wrap it up. I agree with riverrick about some sort of oral sex barrier developement... I just don't have any ideas at the moment.

And here is the link --O2-- referred to....

http://www.cdc.gov/std/default.htm

It's a good resource... thanks O2

Well then...I love to suck dick and eat cum. But I guess it is all unsafe now.
Sucking a condom covered cock is well...akin to sucking a dildo Fuck it! I will take the risk.;)
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

Sucking a condom covered cock is well...akin to sucking a dildo. Fuck it! I will take the risk.

Totally fine. That's your choice.

Good call gaywill19 on the flavored condoms.... never tried one but that could be great... like sucking a lollipop haha.
 
Re: Giving blowjobs without condoms... how safe is it?

The STD risks of unprotected oral sex include Chlamydia, Genital herpes, Genital warts (HPV), Gonorrhea, Hepatitis B & C, HIV, Molluscum and Syphilis.

Educate yourself. If you decide to have oral sex without a condom, make it an informed decision.

Don't assume you can tell whether or not a man is disease free by looking at him -- plenty of very good looking, healthy looking men are diseased. Don't, for example, assume because you can't see any warts that a man doesn't have HPV -- they can be inside his urethra, and HPV is an easily transmitted virus. And don't depend on a stranger's integrity -- too many keep their STDs secret.

You know your body and its susceptibility, and if taking a chance is reasonable to you, that's a valid choice -- but know what you're risking.
 
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I've received some messages questioning whether or not Molluscum is a STD.

It is.

Sources:

Molluscum contagiosum virus (MCV) can be found worldwide with a higher distribution in the tropical areas. The disease is more prevalent in children with the lesions involving the face, trunk, and extremities. In adults the lesions are most often found near the genital region. The disease is endemic with a higher incidence within institutions and communities where overcrowding, poor hygiene, and poverty potentiate its spread. Over the last 30 years its incidence has been increasing, mainly as a sexually transmitted disease, and it is particularly rampant as a result of concurrent human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection.
http://dermatology.cdlib.org/92/reviews/molluscum/diven.html

The virus is contagious through direct contact, as seen in children, but may spread by sexual contact. Molluscum is generally seen on the genitals as a sexually-transmitted disease. Early lesions on the genitalia may be mistaken for herpes or warts but, unlike herpes, these lesions are painless.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000826.htm
 
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