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Glee! [merged]

I was excited to think we'd see some of the other glee clubbers interact. Like the 2 Asians. but instead it's Finn and Quinn AGAIN. And what was the Mercedes' terrible advice telling Puck to keep quiet and let Quinn continue to lie about the paternity of her child as if it her choice? WTF?

And dont get me started on Kurt all of a sudden being crazy in love with Finn.
 
I think we've known all along how Kurt feels about Finn -- In some of the prior episodes he gave indications that he was in love with him.
 
they've indicated several times in fact that Kurt had the hots for Finn. They just made it more obvious on that episode.
 
No i know they hinted that he might have a thing for Finn a few times. But last night it was all of a sudden this full on obsession where he's manipulating his relationship and trying to convert him. It was so stupid and not even interesting. It was just so uncomfortable to watch and I usually love a gay scene. Why not make him interested in Puck or other Asian?
 
^I'm sorry but that is ridiculous. It is clear that Finn is hetero. The only people who it is unclear about is the guy in the wheelchair, the black guy, the Asian guy, and maybe Puck. I only include Puck is because he could so be one of those hypermasculine closet cases that overcompensates.
 
Artie has a thing for Tina, so I don't believe he's gay. I don't think the show is trying to hide anyone's sexuality. From the get-go Kurt was shown as being gay.

Kurt has always been shown as being perceived as gay, even though he never told anyone for a while. The directors would most likely have given hints by now if anyone else was gay.

I think any other gay characters, especially love interests for Kurt, will be people we've seen but don't know much about or new characters.
 
I was starting to worry about the show after the first few episodes, but these last two especially have been so damned good. It's weird to say this, but when I watch this show it feels like someone's given me a gift.
 
I think it would be really great to see what happens when Finn (who is so dumb) realizes that Kurt is in love with him!!!!
 
knobby said:
I think it would be really great to see what happens when Finn (who is so dumb) realizes that Kurt is in love with him!!!!
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The whole tie scene when he finds his dad's old suit is cute but come on!
 
aijalon18 said:
^I'm sorry but that is ridiculous. It is clear that Finn is hetero. The only people who it is unclear about is the guy in the wheelchair, the black guy, the Asian guy, and maybe Puck. I only include Puck is because he could so be one of those hypermasculine closet cases that overcompensates.
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I tend to agree. I think it's been made pretty clear that Finn is straight. Even his internal monologue is all about girls. But you never know, it's television after all. Things could change.

One thing about the episode, a lot of people have chastized Mercedes for telling Puck to back off. I don't think she's the kind of person to willingly support blatantly lying to Finn. I get the feeling she hasn't considered Finn's position in all of this at all. All she sees is Puck trying to break up the happy home that is Finn & Quinn (and Drizzle). If she saw how things really are she'd probably be the first person to tell Finn the truth.

I'll be curious to see what happens with Quinn once the cat's out of the bag. I can kinda see Finn going back to her for the sake of the baby but I can also see him seeing it as his ticket to freedom.
 
Did anyone notice that Finn said that they didn't even have sex while at the dinner table with Quinns parents. It sure will be interesting when that info comes out.
 
knobby said:
I think it would be really great to see what happens when Finn (who is so dumb) realizes that Kurt is in love with him!!!!
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Poor Finn, dumb as a box of nails but so adorable and cute you just have to love him.
The love Kurt has for him is gonna confuse the Hell out of the poor baby. I mean Kurt will be able to convince him of just about anything. After all, he still does not know how babies are made. By the way, when Finn told his pregnant gf's parents hey had not had sex no one flinched or said huh?

I am still chocked up after seeing Sue visit her sister, what a magnificent scene.
Seeing Sue in that light was so heartwarming.
 
sonny10305 said:
Poor Finn, dumb as a box of nails but so adorable and cute you just have to love him.
The love Kurt has for him is gonna confuse the Hell out of the poor baby. I mean Kurt will be able to convince him of just about anything. After all, he still does not know how babies are made. By the way, when Finn told his pregnant gf's parents hey had not had sex no one flinched or said huh?

I am still chocked up after seeing Sue visit her sister, what a magnificent scene.
Seeing Sue in that light was so heartwarming.
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Quinn's mom told him to "Stop lying" (Or to stop his lies) when he mentioned they didn't have sex.

I took it for no one believed him.
 
It started out so so but then went into Emmy mode when the Glee group started to sing with the deaf choir. I almost cried.

Does Finn know Quinn is giving the baby up? that part is confusing
 
Digicel said:
Does Finn know Quinn is giving the baby up? that part is confusing
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Yeah he does.

Does anyone think the other clubs will use the set list to cheat?

Kurt kinda turned into Suzy Pepper with his speech to Rachel about how the object of their desire will never desire them.

And Terri was actually pretty sane in this ep for a change. She almost has me rooting for them staying together. I was kinda hoping that Quinn would stick around when Will showed Terri the car so she could decide for herself whether he'd make a good dad.

This is how I think it'll pan out: Finn will find out but be conflicted about whether to stay with Quinn or not. I suspect he wont then he'll be crying into Rachel's shoulder pads. Will will find out, leave Terri but end up back with her to raise their adopted baby.

And I agree, the Deaf choir was excellent. And Tina getting her first solo :D
 
Glee is offensive

My favorite show is Glee, but I must say that it can be very offensive at times.

Reasons:

1.) The gay guy is as caricatured as Jack from Will and Grace. This is offensive. In the real world of musical theatre and high school drama departments there are not just one but several gay men in the department, and some of them are masculine like Quinn, like Mr. Shue, and the mohican hair cut dude. TV *STILL* is not comfortable in making the gay guys masculine and real.

2.) The wheel-chair episode had a comment from one of the Cheerios that they were "losers" because they were in the chairs. Very offensive. I would have expected at least one character to have said something to correct her.

3.) In an episode some time back, Mr. Shue went out of his way to dodge the flaky teacher who was obsessed with Josh Groban. He didn't want him to play in his singing group because he was flaky. This is counter to the "be kind to the underdog" nature of the show. Isn't Shue supposed to be FOR the underdog?

4.) In last week's episode they made fun of deaf people. The hard of hearing teacher kept misinterpreting what was being said. This was supposed to be funny. No, it was not.

Still my favorite show, but when it offends it offends deeply.
 
Re: Glee is offensive

Well, I can't say I completely disagree with your observations. For the wheelchair thing, your point 2, sometimes the best way to make a point more sharply is to portray characters or comments that the audience watching knows are any degree of shallow, ignorant or coming from a buffoon. Nobody expects the cheerleading squad (especially as led by Sue Sylvester!) to be worldly, sensitive or emotionally enlightened individuals so that comment just reinforced the ignorance. You laugh at them - like Homer Simpson or that example I always read about with Archie Bunker being a racist and boob that was the butt of the joke because he was so unenlightened. Although, maybe cheerleaders would take issue with how the Cheerios are portrayed. :)

I agree that deaf teacher gag fell pretty flat. Movies and TV might do the same thing with someone inflicted with Tourette's who curses spontaneously, or a blind person who spends time stumbling into objects, so I saw that can't-hear-well-therefore-misunderstands-everything more lazy and cliched than anything.

I find the larger problem with "Glee" is that it can't quite find its tone. See this article for a comment on that too:

"The producers may consider their show a mash-up but they’ve forgotten how to make their disparate parts gel into a cohesive whole. It could be a matter of too many cooks. Co-creators Ryan Murphy, Ian Brennan and Brad Falchuk take turns writing and seem to have different ideas of how they want Glee to be, tonally. Or maybe the pilot was just too good."
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Originally (according to the "Entertainment Weekly" cover story a while back) the show's tone was much darker and more bitter, a sort of mean-spirited satire. That openly gay character and the other things you mention may fit more into that model, which would be stuff like vicious skewering of "underdogs" or cliche characters or high school popularity contests and that cutthroat social ladder. "Glee" seems to be trying to do some of this along with "cute and cuddly" inspirational musical numbers and "heartwarming" moments. I do like the contrast because you never know where an episode might swing, it's unpredictable, but it can be jarring for sure and throw some viewers.
 
Re: Glee is offensive

I think the show went over your head.

The stereotypes are purposefully done and it's tongue-in-cheek humor is actually making fun of the stereotypes people make against minorities particularly in Hollywood and the media.

You never wondered why the Asian-American guy in the Glee Club is called "Other Asian".

It's making fun of invisibility of Asian men in media.
 
Re: Glee is offensive

It's over the top and total satire. It depicts men as dumb. The gay kid is fantastically portrayed as someone who can be himself. It deals in "types" and is my favorite show. As far as last week's episode, you forgot to mention the crime laden inner city glee kids.

PS Cheerleaders don't wear their uniforms all day to class.
 
Re: Glee is offensive

Thanks for the info, Trinket. Good stuff! And Diamond, no, the show has not gone over my head. I get the wit. Remember, it's my favorite show for a reason.

I just think that I would buy the satire defense more if they portrayed Mr. Shue or Quinn as gay in addition to the caricature. With just the caricature, I don't feel it's satire. It's just offensive.

As Trinket pointed out, the problem lies with the show not knowing what tone it's to take.

I'll still watch. I love satire. But sometimes satire can be used as an excuse to degrade and perpetuate stereotypes with impunity.
 
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