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Glee! [merged]

aijalon18 said:
The best part of the episode was when Puck mouthed to Finn "Are you gay?"
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When did that happen? I missed it.



There's too many damn guest stars. The kids have the most minimal storylines. It's all about Mr. Shue, Sue, and the guest star of the week.
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I think this will be what kills the show.


Kurt is the most annoying character. He's getting harder and harder to sympathize with. He's awful to Rachel for no reason. And the Finn thing is ridiculous. He's so manipulative and predatory. All the things ignorant straight people think of gays. Here Finn is this straight guy just trying to be Kurt's friend and Kurt is constantly trying to "turn him gay" and trick him into being with him.
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The bolded part is what really gets me. All of the characters are stereotypes, which is fine, but Kurt seems to be a different type of stereotype. All of the characters are the type of stereotype that “most people” would hold. Kurt as a stereotype seems to be the type that only phobes would believe to be true.


The majority of people don’t think all cheerleaders are airheads or cutthroat bitches.

The majority of people don’t think all jocks are complete assholes or dimwitted.

The majority of people don’t think all black female vocalists are plus sized, loudmouthed, belting divas.


Kurt on the other hand is played out as the exact type of gay guy that phobes teach one another about.
For the most part it’s not even seen as a stereotype anymore, but has queer phobic thoughts. Society as a whole doesn’t think this way much anymore.



I guess I am just saying that all stereotypes are based on ignorant biases and thoughts. My displeasure though is with the fact that all of the characters are “soft” stereotypes, but Kurt. He is a “hard” stereotype. His character doesn’t fit with the other characters anymore. They changed him too much.
 
Based just on the last three episodes: If you were to have only seen the last three episodes would you still be a fan of the show?




I doubt I would. I had a real hard time trying to watch last night.
 
Thynight said:
When did that happen? I missed it.
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When Puck mouthed to Finn, "Are you gay?" was Kurt was singing A house is not a home.

I don't understand why all the dislike about last night's episode. I actually kind of like having an episode not center around Rachel. And plus, I just love Kristen Chenoweth.
 
Ohiospeedo said:
When Puck mouthed to Finn, "Are you gay?" was Kurt was singing A house is not a home.

I don't understand why all the dislike about last night's episode. I actually kind of like having an episode not center around Rachel. And plus, I just love Kristen Chenoweth.
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I don't mind that it wasn't centered around Rachel...and I love Krsten...but I don't care about her storyline...she's not a full time cast member...her story really doesn't matter at all to the overall story of the show...why dedicate another show to her?

and the Kurt/Finn story was just lame....it was like reading one of the stories on here about someone trying to have sex with their straight friend...because they're pretty sure there is something between them. No...there isn't...he's straight...you're not....moving him into your room as your stepbrother isn't going to make him gay......lame
 
loki81 said:
Kurt's a teenager... who didn't have that one, hopeless all-consuming crush on a straight guy when they were a kid?

I don't get all the hate for last night's episode. it wasn't the best Glee ever, but I liked it overall even if it was a little Very Special Episode-y at the end.

loved "House is Not a Home" too
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Yeah, "A House is Not a Home" was done well. Quitchabitchin' everyone, I enjoyed last night's episode.
 
I hated the madonna issue ;) latest episode was rather good though. But maybe it's because I don't like most of the songs anyway, I like this show for the way waaaaay over the top exaggerations and stereotypical characters. And besides all those stereotypes they still manage to bring their message across.

And I love Sue :D
 
bostonboy20 said:
and the Kurt/Finn story was just lame....it was like reading one of the stories on here about someone trying to have sex with their straight friend...because they're pretty sure there is something between them. No...there isn't...he's straight...you're not....moving him into your room as your stepbrother isn't going to make him gay......lame
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You're so right. It is just like those stories in the Coming Out forum. But this is especially dumb. Getting your parents to date to get into his pants. What sense does that make? His hissyfit about his dad and Finn bonding was stupid too. His dad is so supportive of him but he shouldnt have to pretend to be into fashion and makeup in order to bond with Kurt.Then in the end Finn realizes he's being selfish and just wants his mom to be happy. But surprise, surprise Kurt is still a bitter Betty.
loki81 said:
Kurt's a teenager... who didn't have that one, hopeless all-consuming crush on a straight guy when they were a kid?

I don't get all the hate for last night's episode. it wasn't the best Glee ever, but I liked it overall even if it was a little Very Special Episode-y at the end.

loved "House is Not a Home" too
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Ive had little crushes but not once someone has proven to be straight Id throw in the towel. Kurt is fighting with girls over him, trying to sabotage his relationship, shamelessly flirting, constantly trying to seduce him, and serenading him awkwardly and uncomfortably in front of the entire club.

Why not let Kurt have a little dignity
 
I've really liked all the episodes so far :)

The Madonna episode was interesting because the lyrics were almost perfect to the story line.

And I enjoyed last night's episode as well...the first half of it kind of angered me because of the whole Kurt/Finn/parents thing, but the second half more than made up for it. I kind of hope their parents don't end up together, but I'll give the writers the benefit of the doubt for now and hope they don't screw it up ;)

But YaY for Glee! :D Even at its "worst," it and 30 Rock are 10x better than anything on TV imho...
 
Salemite said:
It was the other way around, IMO. They twisted the storylines to fit the songs.
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I could see that. It's like "Hey, there's three virgins! Let's do a number with 'Like a Virgin!'"

I think I liked the duet with Rachel and Finn best with "Open Your Heart," only because it seemed fitting because of their situation.

Plus, I also enjoyed "Like A Prayer" at the end !oops!
 
I liked the episode.

With the dad liking watching sports with a teen jock, that reminded me of my own teen years, but my reaction was the opposite of Kurt's. My dad used to say he always thought a son would like to watch sports with his dad. I am an only child, and cannot fake an interest in things like football. When straight cousins and friends would visit and get into those enthused discussions while watching games, I wasn't jealous at all. I was happy for my dad to have someone to share that interest with.
 
Last night's episode didn't have cohesiveness? It was about home. Having a place that you call home. Feeling at home in your own body. What home means when it comes to family. Even the kind of home you create in your fantasies and then discover the reality of when you end up getting what you thought you wanted. The kids were kicked out of their "home" in the auditorium. April still hadn't found her home and was trying to shack up/hook up with men to feel at home. Her only true home had been on the school stage, which was clear when she sang at the end. Mercedes didn't feel at home in her body. Quinn lost her home in the Cheerios because of her moment of weakness with Puck--brought about because she was having a day where she felt fat. Will was feeling alone and homeless because for once he was not trying to be the hero to some woman's damsel in distress. Seemed pretty damned cohesive to me.

I thought the scenes between Finn and his mother were excellent; beautifully written and acted. And Kurt? So he is proving to be the "stereotype that phobes like to think we are." So what? Not every gay man breaks the mold. He's a manipulative teenage boy who has a crush--as some pointed out, shake a stick in the Coming Out and Relationships section and you'll hit tales of manipulation far worse that what he's done so far. He also showed depth when he realized how he had added to Mercedes' issues, and his pain at seeing his dad finally light up when talking about something he will never share with him was all too realistic.

I love the show's snarkiness, and I love its heartfelt moments. Last night was a little heavier on the heartfelt, and it showed more heart than most tv series ever summon in a season, much less in one episode.
 
LiquidSky said:
The show needs to stop with the guest stars. It's becoming bloated. Hopefully the rumors about an all Gaga show are false.
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I have seen pics from the show most are calling the gaga show. It wont be like the Madonna episode. There is a bit of Kiss being reported in the same episode.
 
In ten years time people are going to look back at this show and cringe.

Too many guest stars, too many main and supporting characters that aren't really fleshed out, horrible episode numbers and at times some songs are just flat out wrong for the episode/person singing it.

'Gives You Hell' by AAR performed by Rachel, anyone? Actually that whole Hell-O episode was a hot fucking mess.

They need to prioritize how and where they're wanting to go with the show. For every two episode that focus on the plot and have good musical numbers in them have an episode where they focus on the building supporting characters/an all out episode dedicated to a certain artist, group or movie that has historical significance to the broadway stage and music.

- Grease
- Saturday Night Fever
- Hairspray
- Fame
- Rent

I don't know, the ideas on the show just seem so scattered and I'm beginning to dislike all of it because it's main focus is being a 'satirical' show.

I see this going down the same path that Ugly Betty did. All the accolades during the first few seasons and then the series just turning to shit because it never really had any proper direction.
 
^I agree with the Ugly Betty comparison but I doubt it will last 4 seasons like Betty did.

In terms of the songs, it seems like the creators want certain songs in an episode and just throw them in and sloppily build a storyline around it. But there's no cohesive storyline for the season. Mr. Schue and Sue constantly fighting over every little thing is getting old and taking up too much of the show. The first few episodes were good because Sue was used sparingly. Now every day it's a new scheme. The show is really Sue's schemes with some songs thrown around it.
 
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