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Global warming debunked, again.

OOOOOH

heres an especially rellevant source because it directly addressed the political BS patrol with direct answers

it also links to the PDF file for the joint statement by the scientific academies....

there is no more guessing here

a very few irresponsible political organisations and politicians are saying it doesnt exist and is not the result of human behavior versus virtually the ENTIRE scientific community

not that anyone should believe the scientists about science more than the conservative politicians... after all

we know how honest the republican politicians are...right ?

.........
MYTH: The science of global warming is too uncertain to act on.
FACT: There is no debate among scientists about the basic facts of global warming.
The most respected scientific bodies have stated unequivocally that global warming is occurring, and people are causing it by burning fossil fuels (like coal, oil and natural gas) and cutting down forests. The U.S. National Academy of Sciences, which in 2005 the White House called "the gold standard of objective scientific assessment," issued a joint statement with 10 other National Academies of Science saying "the scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nations taking prompt action. It is vital that all nations identify cost-effective steps that they can take now, to contribute to substantial and long-term reduction in net global greenhouse gas emissions." (Joint Statement of Science Academies: Global Response to Climate Change [PDF], 2005)
The only debate in the science community about global warming is about how much and how fast warming will continue as a result of heat-trapping emissions. Scientists have given a clear warning about global warming, and we have more than enough facts — about causes and fixes — to implement solutions right now.
MYTH: Even if global warming is a problem, addressing it will hurt American industry and workers.
FACT: A well designed trading program will harness American ingenuity to decrease heat-trapping pollution cost-effectively, jumpstarting a new carbon economy.
Claims that fighting global warming will cripple the economy and cost hundreds of thousands of jobs are unfounded. In fact, companies that are already reducing their heat-trapping emissions have discovered that cutting pollution can save money. The cost of a comprehensive national greenhouse gas reduction program will depend on the precise emissions targets, the timing for the reductions and the means of implementation. An independent MIT study found that a modest cap-and-trade system would cost less than $20 per household annually and have no negative impact on employment.
Experience has shown that properly designed emissions trading programs can reduce compliance costs significantly compared with other regulatory approaches. For example, the U.S. acid rain program reduced sulfur dioxide emissions by more than 30 percent from 1990 levels and cost industry a fraction of what the government originally estimated, according to EPA. Furthermore, a mandatory cap on emissions could spur technological innovation that could create jobs and wealth. Letting global warming continue until we are forced to address it on an emergency basis could disrupt and severely damage our economy. It is far wiser and more cost-effective to act now.
MYTH: Water vapor is the most important, abundant greenhouse gas. So if we’re going to control a greenhouse gas, why don’t we control it instead of carbon dioxide (CO2)?
FACT: Although water vapor traps more heat than CO2, because of the relationships among CO2, water vapor and climate, to fight global warming nations must focus on controlling CO2.
Atmospheric levels of CO2 are determined by how much coal, natural gas and oil we burn and how many trees we cut down, as well as by natural processes like plant growth. Atmospheric levels of water vapor, on the other hand, cannot be directly controlled by people; rather, they are determined by temperatures. The warmer the atmosphere, the more water vapor it can hold. As a result, water vapor is part of an amplifying effect. Greenhouse gases like CO2 warm the air, which in turn adds to the stock of water vapor, which in turn traps more heat and accelerates warming. Scientists know this because of satellite measurements documenting a rise in water vapor concentrations as the globe has warmed.
The best way to lower temperature and thus reduce water vapor levels is to reduce CO2 emissions.
MYTH: Global warming and extra CO2 will actually be beneficial — they reduce cold-related deaths and stimulate crop growth.
FACT: Any beneficial effects will be far outweighed by damage and disruption.
Even a warming in just the middle range of scientific projections would have devastating impacts on many sectors of the economy. Rising seas would inundate coastal communities, contaminate water supplies with salt and increase the risk of flooding by storm surge, affecting tens of millions of people globally. Moreover, extreme weather events, including heat waves, droughts and floods, are predicted to increase in frequency and intensity, causing loss of lives and property and throwing agriculture into turmoil.
Even though higher levels of CO2 can act as a plant fertilizer under some conditions, scientists now think that the "CO2 fertilization" effect on crops has been overstated; in natural ecosystems, the fertilization effect can diminish after a few years as plants acclimate. Furthermore, increased CO2 may benefit undesirable, weedy species more than desirable species.
Higher levels of CO2 have already caused ocean acidification, and scientists are warning of potentially devastating effects on marine life and fisheries. Moreover, higher levels of regional ozone (smog), a result of warmer temperatures, could worsen respiratory illnesses. Less developed countries and natural ecosystems may not have the capacity to adapt.
The notion that there will be regional “winners” and “losers” in global warming is based on a world-view from the 1950’s. We live in a global community. Never mind the moral implications — when an environmental catastrophe creates millions of refugees half-way around the world, Americans are affected.
MYTH: Global warming is just part of a natural cycle. The Arctic has warmed up in the past.
FACT: The global warming we are experiencing is not natural. People are causing it.
People are causing global warming by burning fossil fuels (like oil, coal and natural gas) and cutting down forests. Scientists have shown that these activities are pumping far more CO2 into the atmosphere than was ever released in hundreds of thousands of years. This buildup of CO2 is the biggest cause of global warming. Since 1895, scientists have known that CO2 and other greenhouse gases trap heat and warm the earth. As the warming has intensified over the past three decades, scientific scrutiny has increased along with it. Scientists have considered and ruled out other, natural explanations such as sunlight, volcanic eruptions and cosmic rays. (IPCC 2001)
Though natural amounts of CO2 have varied from 180 to 300 parts per million (ppm), today's CO2 levels are around 380 ppm. That's 25% more than the highest natural levels over the past 650,000 years. Increased CO2 levels have contributed to periods of higher average temperatures throughout that long record. (Boden, Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center)
As for previous Arctic warming, it is true that there were stretches of warm periods over the Arctic earlier in the 20th century. The limited records available for that time period indicate that the warmth did not affect as many areas or persist from year to year as much as the current warmth. But that episode, however warm it was, is not relevant to the issue at hand. Why? For one, a brief regional trend does not discount a longer global phenomenon.
We know that the planet has been warming over the past several decades and Arctic ice has been melting persistently. And unlike the earlier periods of Arctic warmth, there is no expectation that the current upward trend in Arctic temperatures will reverse; the rising concentrations of greenhouse gases will prevent that from happening.
MYTH: We can adapt to climate change — civilization has survived droughts and temperature shifts before.
FACT: Although humans as a whole have survived the vagaries of drought, stretches of warmth and cold and more, entire societies have collapsed from dramatic climatic shifts.
The current warming of our climate will bring major hardships and economic dislocations — untold human suffering, especially for our children and grandchildren. We are already seeing significant costs from today's global warming which is caused by greenhouse gas pollution. Climate has changed in the past and human societies have survived, but today six billion people depend on interconnected ecosystems and complex technological infrastructure.
What's more, unless we limit the amount of heat-trapping gases we are putting into the atmosphere, we will face a warming trend unseen since human civilization began 10,000 years ago. (IPCC 2001)
The consequences of continued warming at current rates are likely to be dire. Many densely populated areas, such as low-lying coastal regions, are highly vulnerable to climate shifts. A middle-of-the-range projection is that the homes of 13 to 88 million people around the world would be flooded by the sea each year in the 2080s. Poorer countries and small island nations will have the hardest time adapting. (McLean et al. 2001)
In what appears to be the first forced move resulting from climate change, 100 residents of Tegua island in the Pacific Ocean were evacuated by the government because rising sea levels were flooding their island. Some 2,000 other islanders plan a similar move to escape rising waters. In the United States, the village of Shishmaref in Alaska, which has been inhabited for 400 years, is collapsing from melting permafrost. Relocation plans are in the works.
Scarcity of water and food could lead to major conflicts with broad ripple effects throughout the globe. Even if people find a way to adapt, the wildlife and plants on which we depend may be unable to adapt to rapid climate change. While the world itself will not end, the world as we know it may disappear.
MYTH: Recent cold winters and cool summers don’t feel like global warming to me.
FACT: While different pockets of the country have experienced some cold winters here and there, the overall trend is warmer winters.
Measurements show that over the last century the Earth’s climate has warmed overall, in all seasons, and in most regions. Climate skeptics mislead the public when they claim that the winter of 2003–2004 was the coldest ever in the northeastern United States. That winter was only the 33rd coldest in the region since records began in 1896. Furthermore, a single year of cold weather in one region of the globe is not an indication of a trend in the global climate, which refers to a long-term average over the entire planet.
MYTH: Global warming can’t be happening because some glaciers and ice sheets are growing, not shrinking.
FACT: In most parts of the world, the retreat of glaciers has been dramatic. The best available scientific data indicate that Greenland's massive ice sheet is shrinking.
Between 1961 and 1997, the world’s glaciers lost 890 cubic miles of ice. The consensus among scientists is that rising air temperatures are the most important factor behind the retreat of glaciers on a global scale over long time periods. Some glaciers in western Norway, Iceland and New Zealand have been expanding during the past few decades. That expansion is a result of regional increases in storm frequency and snowfall rather than colder temperatures — not at all incompatible with a global warming trend.
In Greenland, a NASA satellite that can measure the ice mass over the whole continent has found that although there is variation from month to month, over the longer term, the ice is disappearing. In fact, there are worrisome signs that melting is accelerating: glaciers are moving into the ocean twice as fast as a decade ago, and, over time, more and more glaciers have started to accelerate. What is most alarming is the prediction, based on model calculations and historical evidence, that an approximately 5.4 degree Fahrenheit increase in local Greenland temperatures will lead to irreversible meltdown and a sea-level rise of over 20 feet. Since the Arctic is warming 2-3 times faster than the global average, this tipping point is not far away.
The only study that has shown increasing ice mass in Greenland only looked at the interior of the ice sheet, not at the edges where melting occurs. This is actually in line with climate model predictions that global warming would lead to a short-term accumulation of ice in the cold interior due to heavier snowfall. (Similarly, scientists have predicted that Antarctica overall will gain ice in the near future due to heavier snowfall.) The scientists who published the study were careful to point out that their results should not be used to conclude that Greenland's ice mass as a whole is growing. In addition, their data suggested that the accumulation of snow in the middle of the continent is likely to decrease over time as global warming continues.
MYTH: Accurate weather predictions a few days in advance are hard to come by. Why on earth should we have confidence in climate projections decades from now?
FACT: Climate prediction is fundamentally different from weather prediction, just as climate is different from weather.
It is often more difficult to make an accurate weather forecast than a climate prediction. The accuracy of weather forecasting is critically dependent upon being able to exactly and comprehensively characterize the present state of the global atmosphere. Climate prediction relies on other, longer ranging factors. For instance, we might not know if it will be below freezing on a specific December day in New England, but we know from our understanding of the region's climate that the temperatures during the month will generally be low. Similarly, climate tells us that Seattle and London tend to be rainy, Florida and southern California are usually warm, and the Southwest is often dry and hot.
Today’s climate models can now reproduce the observed global average climates over the past century and beyond. Such findings have reinforced scientist’s confidence in the capacity of models to produce reliable projections of future climate. Current climate assessments typically consider the results from a range of models and scenarios for future heat-trapping emissions in order to identify the most likely range for future climatic change.
MYTH: As the ozone hole shrinks, global warming will no longer be a problem.
FACT: Global warming and the ozone hole are two different problems.
The ozone hole is a thinning of the stratosphere's ozone layer, which is roughly 9 to 31 miles above the earth's surface. The depletion of the ozone is due to man-made chemicals like chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs). A thinner ozone layer lets more harmful ultraviolet (UV) radiation to reach the earth's surface.
Global warming, on the other hand, is the increase in the earth's average temperature due to the buildup of CO2 and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere from human activities.
Sources

T.A. Boden, R.J. Stepanski, and F.W. Stoss, Trends '91: A Compendium of Data on Global Change, ORNL/CDIAC-46 (Oak Ridge, TN: Oak Ridge National Laboratory, December 1991).
IPCC. 2001. Climate Change 2001: The Scientific Basis. Contribution of Working Group I to the Third Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Edited by J.T. Houghton, Y. Ding, D.J. Griggs, M. Noguer, P.J. van der Linden, X. Dai, K. Maskell, and C.A. Johnson. Cambridge and New York: Cambridge University Press.
Joint Statement of Science Academies: Global Response to Climate Change [PDF], 2005
The Latest Myths and Facts on Global Warming [PDF], Environmental Defense, 2005.
McLean, R.F., A.Tsyban, V. Burkett, J.O. Codignotto, D.L. Forbes, N.Mimura, R.J. Beamish, V. Ittekkot, L. Bijlsma and I. Sanchez-Arevalo. 2001. IPCC Third Assessment Report, Contribution of Working Group II, Chapter 6.

source....

http://www.environmentaldefense.org/page.cfm?tagID=1011
 
I've cited examples by scientists that say Algore is wrong in his assertions on which he based a movie he peddled as a documentary. I've also cited information that says this global warming business is happening on other planets where man couldn't possible be having any effect. This would tend to buttress an argument that warming a caused by the sun, not man.

Rather than add to the discourse, you've kindly stopped by and tossed a turd, as it were, into the punch. Thanks so much for stopping by!

You know FULL WELL that the examples you site are junk science. Almost 100% of climate scientists tell us that the Earth is warming because of CO2 emissions by humans. Getting nearly 100% of any group of people to agree on anything is itself extraordinary. The evidence is so overwhelming, in fact, that it is now considered axiomatic. It would take an overwhelming and extraordinary amount of alternative data to refute the current findings and interpretations. A handful of crackpots is not sufficient to persuade.

We do not have the luxury in science of believing what we want to believe. We are obligated to follow the data. Republicans, I have observed, have difficulty with science. If science says the Earth is warming due to CO2 emissions, Republicans find someone who claims to be a scientist who comes up with his own data, presumably so that they are not obligated to do their jobs and do something about it. If science says chlorofluorocarbons are creating a hole in the ozone layer, Republicans find their own "data" to allow them to deny this. If science says humans evolved from the same creatures from which the modern apes evolved, Republicans say this scientific interpretation must be wrong - it conflicts with biblical teaching. Three Republican presidential candidates claim not to believe in evolution! Pseudoscience has become a feature of the Republican Party.

I still don't understand why Republicans don't like science. I still suspect it is because the truth is often not very convenient for their politics. They prefer to create their own "reality". It's so much easier than doing your job.
 
If you ask me, the crooks are on both sides of the aisle!
???
Hmm if you allow me to reiterate my unanswered question...
Which agenda???
Is this all a conspiracy from hundreds of scientists all over the world to push American Democrats back to US presidency ??
 
I still don't understand why Republicans don't like science. I still suspect it is because the truth is often not very convenient for their politics. They prefer to create their own "reality". It's so much easier than doing your job.
For the most part Republicans are funded by big business (read oil related). To agree that man is causing global warming means they have to find solutions. Solutions are expensive.

Its a whole lot cheaper to contribute money to the Republican Party and have them put up the arguments and legislative road blocks. Talking points are given to Rush Limbaugh and the gang ..... the rest is common knowledge. :mad:
 
I contributed to globalwarming today. Too many beers and a bean burrito ensured that environmentally altering gas was created.
 
You know FULL WELL that the examples you site are junk science. Almost 100% of climate scientists tell us that the Earth is warming because of CO2 emissions by humans. Getting nearly 100% of any group of people to agree on anything is itself extraordinary. The evidence is so overwhelming, in fact, that it is now considered axiomatic. It would take an overwhelming and extraordinary amount of alternative data to refute the current findings and interpretations. A handful of crackpots is not sufficient to persuade.

We do not have the luxury in science of believing what we want to believe. We are obligated to follow the data. Republicans, I have observed, have difficulty with science. If science says the Earth is warming due to CO2 emissions, Republicans find someone who claims to be a scientist who comes up with his own data, presumably so that they are not obligated to do their jobs and do something about it. If science says chlorofluorocarbons are creating a hole in the ozone layer, Republicans find their own "data" to allow them to deny this. If science says humans evolved from the same creatures from which the modern apes evolved, Republicans say this scientific interpretation must be wrong - it conflicts with biblical teaching. Three Republican presidential candidates claim not to believe in evolution! Pseudoscience has become a feature of the Republican Party.

I still don't understand why Republicans don't like science. I still suspect it is because the truth is often not very convenient for their politics. They prefer to create their own "reality". It's so much easier than doing your job.


I know full well? Rather presumptuous on your part, no? Almost 100% of the Climate Scientists (sometimes called climatologists) agree? Really, provide a citation for that one or is it simply more dim talking points? Evidence so overwhelming that's it's considered axiomatic? By whom, sir? So you've investigated each and every one of the scientists claiming otherwise, and concluded their all crackpots? How did you arrive at this conclusion? And what expertise qualifies you to do so? Maybe when you provide a cogent response, I might take you seriously. ..|
 
^ Furthermore, is it a bad idea to adopt policies which spew smaller amounts of POISON into the air?

And is it a bad idea to start planning for the day that the remaining fossil fuels will become too impractical and expensive to extract?

These should be considerations even if it was proven that human activity could not possibly be contributing to global warming.

I am one who believes that Earth is in a natural warming cycle right now, AND that human activity is exaggerating it.


Nothing wrong with any of that. My next abode is going to take advantage of as much technology as I can to make it energy efficient. I just think that's a cool thing to do and I love technology. I look forward to hydrogen power, I think that's going to be amazing. But all this scaring us business is getting tiresome. In five or ten years, Algore is going to look very foolish when the oceans aren't lapping at his door in Tenesee.
 
But all this scaring us business is getting tiresome. In five or ten years, Algore is going to look very foolish when the oceans aren't lapping at his door in Tenesee.

^ Funny, you certainly don't react negatively to Bush and her mushroom cloud bidness... you certainly bought into all the fucking nutty hysteria about WMD.

This sums up the problem for me. For the left global warming is the problem which requires goverment action and spending and for the right its terrorists which requires a larger military and defense budget.

They both use scare tactics which is ironic because the only thing I'm scared of is the goverment taking more of our money. ](*,)
 
I know full well? Rather presumptuous on your part, no? Almost 100% of the Climate Scientists (sometimes called climatologists) agree? Really, provide a citation for that one or is it simply more dim talking points? Evidence so overwhelming that's it's considered axiomatic? By whom, sir? So you've investigated each and every one of the scientists claiming otherwise, and concluded their all crackpots? How did you arrive at this conclusion? And what expertise qualifies you to do so? Maybe when you provide a cogent response, I might take you seriously. ..|

Among climate scientists there is consensus that global warming is primarily caused by human activities such as fossil fuel burning and deforestation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_controversy


Many people have the impression that there is significant scientific disagreement about global climate change. It's time to lay that misapprehension to rest. There is a scientific consensus on the fact that Earth's climate is heating up and human activities are part of the reason.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26065-2004Dec25.html


American and international researchers have reached a consensus on the role of industrialization in climate change, though consensus doesn't equal unanimity.

In its 2001 assessment, the Intergovernmental Panel of Climate Change, a worldwide network of 2,500 scientists sponsored by the United Nations, said there is "new and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/04/AR2007020400953.html


"There's broad agreement that the burning of fossil fuel and deforestation are causes," Tom Wilbanks, a senior researcher in Ook Ridge National Laboratory's Environmental Services Division.

http://www.csm.ornl.gov/PR/NS-10-25-03.html


The scientific consensus is clearly expressed in the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Created in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environmental Programme, IPCC's purpose is to evaluate the state of climate science as a basis for informed policy action, primarily on the basis of peer-reviewed and published scientific literature (3). In its most recent assessment, IPCC states unequivocally that the consensus of scientific opinion is that Earth's climate is being affected by human activities: "Human activities ... are modifying the concentration of atmospheric constituents ... that absorb or scatter radiant energy. ... [M]ost of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations" [p. 21 in (4)].

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/306/5702/1686


The National Academy of Sciences, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and even, grudgingly, the Bush administration now believe Earth is warming.

"All the new data are in the same direction, showing that warming is continuing," says Ralph Cicerone, an atmospheric scientist and president of the National Academy of Sciences.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060410/10warming.htm
 
It is ridiculous that some people are still not seeing that global warming is real and it is happening and it is ruining the world that we live on. It is scientifically proven people! If you don't believe in science then you are pathetic. Stop trying to deny that global warming is happening and do something to help the fight. It's our world! And yes, if scaring people with facts and even exagerations of facts is helping people fight global warming, then why not scare them. It's the only way to get people to do something about it. People need to wake up, SO WAKE THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!!!
 
You folks that are screaming into the wall about Glaobal warming don't get the argument. We agree that cyclic warming occurs, indeed all of the universe is warming. We just dont agree that it is our fault for being evil capitolist pigs.
 
^I'm glad somebody else gets it!
 
You folks that are screaming into the wall about Glaobal warming don't get the argument. We agree that cyclic warming occurs, indeed all of the universe is warming. We just dont agree that it is our fault for being evil capitolist pigs.


neither of you obviously read ANY of my posts if you think that

its obvious you dont want to acnowledge them

so dont tell me about who doesnt get it
 
You folks that are screaming into the wall about Glaobal warming don't get the argument. We agree that cyclic warming occurs, indeed all of the universe is warming. We just dont agree that it is our fault for being evil capitolist pigs.

On the contrary. It is you folks who are screaming that global warming is not due to human release of carbon dioxide that don't get the argument. The world's climatologists agree: the Earth is getting warmer and we're the reason.

What I find interesting is that Republicans argue the science! Science is not politics. Facts are not negotiable. You just can't pretend that they're not really there, and then ignore them. Pseudoscience has become a feature of the Republican Party. Republicans seem to think that burying their collective heads in the sand will serve them better than facing the truth. That has always been hard for me to understand.
 
No Andre I did not read the entire thread, however it is the same argument.

Hysteria....maybe all the left wingers need a hysterectomy. :)
 
No Andre I did not read the entire thread, however it is the same argument.

Hysteria....maybe all the left wingers need a hysterectomy. :)

how can you make a choice if you only read one side of something

i have presented FACTS by scientist WORLDWIDE that state clearly that global warming is a real thing and that human activity is causing it

yet you agree with a position without being informed of all the available info

and its not like its hard to do... all you had to do is read what I supplied... you dont even have to do the research yourself

i just dont get it

i just dont
 
Republicans don't like science period. Science requires facts and right-wingers don't like nor accept facts. Why do ya think so many of them are uninformed theocratic corporatists. It does'nt matter if the whole science community comes out and proves that global warming is caused by humans (which has happened), Exxon and the oil companies will futher convince them that global warming is a myth and that it's just a "natural cycle"; all the while taking their money at the gas pumps and spilling oil in the oceans.

And don't even ask a Republican to recycle or conserve energy. In their mind doing that somehow messes up capitialism and the buck is worth more than the planet. heh:badgrin:
 
the dems are scaring the American people with this issue.....:p

everyone is running around buying those funny looking light bulbs....

are the dems going to use global warming as a political scare tactic?:D

I'd rather be "scared" by the Dems using global warming than the Neo-Cons using their scare tactics of immenent attacks by terrorists or saying ridiculous things like the Dems are soft on defense and we'll be less safe under a Democratic administration. Typical Republican b.s. Use FEAR to force the masses into complying, just like organized religion does.
 
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