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"God doesn't make people gay because the Bible is anti-gay"

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Religious uncle from Texas dissed Dr Phil by indirectly saying science is stronger than god. Dr. Phil was commenting on a CNN segment concerning Dr. "Sugar in his Tank" Bachman who thinks he can change gays. Dr. Phil said that you can't give people (gays) a choice (of sexual preference) because it isn't a choice as preference is hardwired at birth (duh).

My uncle said he knows tons of gays at church (fully believe that) and that they've chosen not to live that path. I then told him about the talk of Bachman's husband being gay and he said, "he might be."

Yesterday he asked me if I accepted Jesus. And he said that we're all sinners. This was right after Sunday morning where I was playing Battlefield on xBox 360 blowing people's heads off. I could tell it bothered him that I didn't go to church and was having a hell of a time as they were getting dressed up. My poor little brother had to go to church with him and he had to introduce them since they're visitors. Uncle, aunt and cousins talked a good 10 minutes about coming to Arizona. It's like some type of social event.

He came back with the pastor and his wife, my aunt, who is far less fanatical than him. Well, I went down stairs to find her offering the pastor food from a tray like a servant. I lost a shitload of respect for her right then and there.

He was supposed to do a funeral later that day, but instead chose a wedding. My uncle told my mom that he's busy with a wedding when she asked about him later that evening. I then said that the wedding pays while a funeral doesn't. I then said the pastor is trying to pay his bills. I JUST KNEW THIS BOTHERED MY UNCLE. I just didn't expect him to do this shit this morning.

He's still yapping away as I'm typing on my iPad. Now I know not to taunt him again and make snide remarks about pastors.
 
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I don't understand why you passed judgment on your aunt for being gracious and offering the pastor food. What should she have done? Thrown it on the floor for him to lap up like a dog?

I'm also pretty sure that clerics get something for doing either funerals or weddings, at least they do where I come from.
 
I don't understand why you passed judgment on your aunt for being gracious and offering the pastor food. What should she have done? Thrown it on the floor for him to lap up like a dog?

I'm also pretty sure that clerics get something for doing either funerals or weddings, at least they do where I come from.

No, she had the food on the tray and semi-bowed offering him food. He can get his own damn food off the butcher block, guest or not.
 
No, she had the food on the tray and semi-bowed offering him food. He can get his own damn food off the butcher block, guest or not.

She was being gracious and it was by her choice to do so. It's her house and she gets to do that if she wants. When you have guests over, do you tell them there's food on the stove get it yourself or do you serve them? Do you offer your guests a drink or make them go to the fridge and get their own? I'm guessing your a polite host in both instances and serve your guests.

Or is this simply about the fact that you dislike the pastor for his inherent "Christian" anti-gayness? If that's the case, fine. Just admit it...|
 
She was being gracious and it was by her choice to do so. It's her house and she gets to do that if she wants. When you have guests over, do you tell them there's food on the stove get it yourself or do you serve them? Do you offer your guests a drink or make them go to the fridge and get their own? I'm guessing your a polite host in both instances and serve your guests.

Or is this simply about the fact that you dislike the pastor for his inherent "Christian" anti-gayness? If that's the case, fine. Just admit it...|

I have to agree with this.
 
Why does it never occur to people that if one of the 'authors' of the bible had written, 'and by the way being gay is ok' then chances are they would have been arrested, most probably tortured then executed. So who would have written that?
 
Why does it never occur to people that if one of the 'authors' of the bible had written, 'and by the way being gay is ok' then chances are they would have been arrested, most probably tortured then executed. So who would have written that?

Well, it probably never occurs to us (that if one of the authors of the Bible had written that being gay was okay, they would have been arrested and punished) because he wouldn't. In order for such a Bible author to be arrested and punished, homosexual conduct would first have to be illegal in the Roman empire. It wasn't. So I suppose any one of them could have written that homosexual conduct was morally neutral, if he took a mind to.
 
Well, it probably never occurs to us (that if one of the authors of the Bible had written that being gay was okay, they would have been arrested and punished) because he wouldn't. In order for such a Bible author to be arrested and punished, homosexual conduct would first have to be illegal in the Roman empire. It wasn't. So I suppose any one of them could have written that homosexual conduct was morally neutral, if he took a mind to.

Good answer.

But it makes me think: neither did anyone in the New Testament write that people should get married and reproduce, which is a major "pro-marriage" argument from the bigot brigade.

I think that what I was brought up with, that marriage is for keeping sex from blossoming into promiscuity, a way to control "evil", fits the New Testament better than that view does.
 
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