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I have copied a blog contribution from an Australian male, who has been forced out of Arizona, after many years of legal residency. He and his brother are now living as economic refugees in London, UK.

Do I have any reason to be suspicious of the contents of this blog entry?
I would appreciate a comment from those who are au fait with United States visa requirements etc.

I quote:

Some members have heard about my brother's and my frightening experience in Phoenix, Arizona last year when the economic situation turned the paranoid department of the US Govt., Homeland Security, over the top insane. R........ had his green card and I operated on an E2 Investor Visa, running our little entertainment business from our home, that we established legally 18 years ago. My Visa had to be renewed every two years and had previously always been routine, but as the financial institutions and General Motors floundered, panic ruled the US Govt. My Visa was terminated with a curt letter stating that "you have not earned sufficient money in the past two years. There is no appeal".

When I queried our Immigration Lawyer she said, "Of course, that's not true. You may appeal, but they will tie you up, with your business terminated, for months or even years until you surrender, by which time the lawyers will have all your money and you'll have nothing. By the way, you're not alone. Thousands of E2 Visa holders have been told to get out, right across the country, many of them employers of Americans who are now out of work." Our American friends and clients were shocked and couldn't believe what had happened to us.

That was not the principal shock. We found that our property was two thirds depreciated. All we could get for our home, including our excellent block of land, was $30,000, with a mortgage balance of $14,000 to pay.

R......had been in and out of hospital several times in the prior three years with three major surgeries, so we hadn't reached the income we had in previous years, but still had a liveable income until we were closed down. We were even charged for the privelege of closing the company. Then there was a mass sell-off of all the stuff we couldn't use elsewhere because of the different voltage, especially all the electrical goods from R.... sound studio. He recorded his own compositions that were great sellers in the music shops. Three weeks before our departure for London, R..... health crashed again and he was in hospital till three days before our flight. I had to arrange for our remaining cargo to be boxed and sent, while the endless yard sale continued to the bitter end.

Fortunately, as soon as we knew there was no thwarting Homeland Security, in August last year, I wrote to the Westminster City Council, (London, UK) who'd been our landlords when we lived in London 1975-85. The reply was with us in a week and our refugee status was put immediately in the pipeline. Emails and letters flowed almost weekly keeping us informed of our progress. We arrived in London a week before Christmas and spent £70 on a taxi to our hotel in Paddington. In less than a week we were transfered to a refugee hostel in Leyton East London where the Islamic owners of the nearest cyber cafe, and their Imam, took us under there care, advising us on where to go for anything we needed, while civil servants were in contact almost every day, as our housing application advanced. February 27th we moved into and slept in our flat at Lisson Green Estate where we lived before, with exactly the same floor plan. We're on the sixth floor with a grand view of almost the whole estate, just round the corner from Regent's Park and a ten minute bus ride to Selfridges, and a two minute walk to the local medical clinic.

My first purchase had been a wheelchair in which I could push R...... about, and we soon acquired a motorised chair, so he could get about by himself. Since then we've been given a number of bewildering benefits on top of our pensions, with free bus and train travel, free swimming at the local gym and many other privileges. The population of the Estate is at least a third Islamic folk from all over that troubled part of the world, many of them refugee interpreters and other helpers of the armed forces whose safety became untenable in their home countries. The Great Mosque is just round the corner at the edge of Regent's Park and friday midday sees a steady stream of folk headed to prayer. They are even more grateful than R.....and myself for the humane manner of care and help we've been given. Even our furniture came mostly from two charities, the British Heart Foundation and another just called Furnish. The only charge was a delivery fee.

The hurt over our expulsion after 18 years as US tax payers has at least been softened by the thoughtful welcome and acceptance we've been extended. We are officially in the eyes of the British Govt. Economic Refugees.

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Since then we've been given a number of bewildering benefits on top of our pensions, with free bus and train travel, free swimming at the local gym and many other privileges. Even our furniture came mostly from two charities, the British Heart Foundation and another just called Furnish. The only charge was a delivery fee.

Spread the word to all illegal aliens in American.

Hopefully, they will pack up and move to England.
 
Spread the word to all illegal aliens in American.

Hopefully, they will pack up and move to England.

Usual absurd reactionary denunciation from justapixel.

It's obvious you didn't even read the post. They were not illegal aliens.
 
Sounds suspicious to me. In the first place, to qualify, and E2 Investor must have a substantial business with a significant economic impact on the United States. It doesn't seem to me that "a little entertainment run out of a house" would ever have qualified.

This is how the State Department describes that element of the visa:

The investment may not be marginal. It must generate significantly more income than just to provide a living to the investor and family, or it must have a significant economic impact in the U.S.

http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1273.html

I'm also suspicious of their claim to be economic refugees. Does the UK really recognize Australians as economic refugees?
 
first... they blame arizona, but only the fed govt could take that action.... the two things are not related.

this is the problem with the new arizona law that still has not gone into effect yet.

It makes these claims murky and muddies up who and what is really happening.

eighteen years and they never applied for permanent status?

that sounds weird to me. the whole point of a temporary work visa is that the gov;t has the right for any reason to refuse its continuance if the jobs are needed for citizens.

Two....

taxation is different if you are on a visa... Citizens pay income tax.... but i do not think that it is quite the same as they are not going to be getting soc sec benefits.... so no fica.

they actually had a smaller tax burden while working in a nation that offered them a good living for nearly two decades.

if they chose to not apply for citizenship after all that time, then one has to ask why. they must have known that there was a risk the work visas would run out if america had a downturn in its economy.

they wanted the best of both worlds and found out they should have made a choice years ago.
 
Sounds suspicious to me. In the first place, to qualify, and E2 Investor must have a substantial business with a significant economic impact on the United States. It doesn't seem to me that "a little entertainment run out of a house" would ever have qualified.

This is how the State Department describes that element of the visa:



http://travel.state.gov/visa/temp/types/types_1273.html

I'm also suspicious of their claim to be economic refugees. Does the UK really recognize Australians as economic refugees?

I've been reading and you seem to be correct. the E2 Investor Visa is designed for foreign investors to have temporary residence to oversee a substantial investment made by a large business.... they seem to have been gaming the system.

When the recesion hit and money became scarce, it would seem they were revealed to not meet the basic guidelines for the type of visa they had been given. I hate to be uncaring, but really... a little recording studio in the house for eighteen years selling his owm music recorded on cds? and the one year his income fell to below thirty thousand????? Thats alot of money for an unknown musician to be making on cd sales. If they were copying other cd's and selling them, perhaps you could make that much cash.

The guy says that they were original music, but that is a different visa entirely....

a P1 visa apparently is available to artists that lasts for one year, can be renewed for up to ten years, and is not income dependant.

heres where i found the info on the artist visa..... http://usimmigration.visapro.com/P1-Visa-4.asp
 
Thanks palemale, and BostonPirate for your clarifications.

My first reaction was why the two brothers did not apply for permanent residency, and citizenship.

I felt uncomfortable with the facts as presented.

An Australian citizen with probable UK paternal ancestry might well qualify for social welfare benefits and permanent settlement rights. I doubt whether this could be construed as equivalent to economic refugee status.
 
first... they blame arizona, but only the fed govt could take that action.... the two things are not related.

this is the problem with the new arizona law that still has not gone into effect yet.

It makes these claims murky and muddies up who and what is really happening.

eighteen years and they never applied for permanent status?

that sounds weird to me. the whole point of a temporary work visa is that the gov;t has the right for any reason to refuse its continuance if the jobs are needed for citizens.

Two....

taxation is different if you are on a visa... Citizens pay income tax.... but i do not think that it is quite the same as they are not going to be getting soc sec benefits.... so no fica.

they actually had a smaller tax burden while working in a nation that offered them a good living for nearly two decades.

if they chose to not apply for citizenship after all that time, then one has to ask why. they must have known that there was a risk the work visas would run out if america had a downturn in its economy.

they wanted the best of both worlds and found out they should have made a choice years ago.

I can't believe I completely agree with everything you just said ;)
 
Sounds like another bogus story being emailed around.
 
I have to agree with BostonPirate on this too.
However, I would like to add when he mentions Arizona, He talks about Homeland Security not Immigration.

He mentions again not being able to thwart Homeland Security later in the letter and being taken in by the Islamic owners and their Iman.

I also noticed no clear details of where he lived in Phoenix, But does go into great detail of his 6th floor flat at Lisson Green Estates.

What is the real purpose of his blog because it's not passing the smell test.
 
I just reread the blog entry. I was focusing on the visa, but one of the brothers had a green card, which means he had permanent residency and would not have been in danger of deportation. All he had to do was apply for citizenship. I think the story is completely bogus.
 
or the green card was revoked for an entirely different reason than the person is speaking of.....

Most commonly in my law practice, we see persons who commit crimes involving moral turpitude get placed in removal proceedings, where these acts occur after admission as a resident. While in certain instances, a waiver of removability might be available, the granting of it is discretionary, which means the immigration judge might not grant the waiver and order the resident deported. Other issues arise where the resident might have been improperly admitted as a resident alien, where they were not entitled to that status. Often, we see persons who apply for naturalization get denied and placed in removal proceedings where it is revealed at the naturalization interview that they were not eligible for residency at the time they entered.

source


so you have to ask yourself

why would DHS request a deportation?

the guy on the visa may have had his visa revoked for a same reason that the other guys green card got revoked... what kinds of things are those?
 
^The blogger stated that his brother with the green card was also wheelchair bound, thus would have been obliged to follow his brother to the UK as a result of his dependency.

That one brother should be issued a green card, and the other resided in the USA with an E2 status also raises questions. I am of the opinion that they are a pair of gay lovers, rather than siblings.

A big thank you to all for your opinions, and analysis.
 
Why is it that these Australians first try to live in the US and then after nearly 2 decades of NOT becoming citizens, they run to the UK and become "economic refugees"? Seem like they are trying to play the system.
 
Why is it that these Australians first try to live in the US and then after nearly 2 decades of NOT becoming citizens, they run to the UK and become "economic refugees"? Seem like they are trying to play the system.

or that they are a bit concerned about going back to their own country of origin ;)
 
Spread the word to all illegal aliens in American.

Hopefully, they will pack up and move to England.

lol, what ethnic background are you?
99.99 % of all americans are former aliens !!! If they are white or black they are former aliens.
 
Why is it that these Australians first try to live in the US and then after nearly 2 decades of NOT becoming citizens, they run to the UK and become "economic refugees"? Seem like they are trying to play the system.

Eh...not really. Australians are Commonwealth citizens. It's easier to enter and live in the UK as an Australian than it is to enter and live in America.
 
So what is wrong with Australia then?

well that would be the question. If I was on a work visa for a good job in europe and they told me I couldn't stay, you would naturally tend to go home to america.

unless they didn't want me.

remember the DHS streamlined a few processes so that people who are here on visas get checked through all the different agencies for backround checks....

remember all the yelling about why we didn't know the hijackers were al qaeda members? Now I am NOT SAYING they are terrorists.

BUT

they could have falsified a criminal record or something minor, and a further study of the two, with the souped up review method now in place, found something that invalidated both their green card and visa.

AND at the end of the day it is all just a guess. its a fun puzzle, but kallipolis is right... the blog is bogus and so none of it really matters after that.
 
Spread the word to all illegal aliens in American.

Hopefully, they will pack up and move to England.

F on your English reading skills today.

eighteen years and they never applied for permanent status?

that sounds weird to me. the whole point of a temporary work visa is that the gov;t has the right for any reason to refuse its continuance if the jobs are needed for citizens.

Two....

taxation is different if you are on a visa... Citizens pay income tax.... but i do not think that it is quite the same as they are not going to be getting soc sec benefits.... so no fica.

they actually had a smaller tax burden while working in a nation that offered them a good living for nearly two decades.

if they chose to not apply for citizenship after all that time, then one has to ask why. they must have known that there was a risk the work visas would run out if america had a downturn in its economy.

they wanted the best of both worlds and found out they should have made a choice years ago.

Nicely said.
But then, according to Congress, there was never any danger of a downturn in the economy. :rolleyes:

^The blogger stated that his brother with the green card was also wheelchair bound, thus would have been obliged to follow his brother to the UK as a result of his dependency.

That one brother should be issued a green card, and the other resided in the USA with an E2 status also raises questions. I am of the opinion that they are a pair of gay lovers, rather than siblings.

A big thank you to all for your opinions, and analysis.

I had the same thought.


Given some situations I've seen with government, the whole thing does not strike me as impossible. But pieces don't seem to fit together quite right, so I have to agree that there's something fishy about the whole thing.
 
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