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Gore Mansion Uses 20x Average Household; Consumption Increases After 'truth'

mowrest20 said:
Haha, I hope you're kidding. It was a play on words. The Drudge Report is my home page. I find that if I have to explain my cleverness, then one of us isn't. :p

As for me being an asshole, are you saying you don't mind? Because you've begged me to spare the poor libs on here from my biting witicism. (Or, that's how I read it;)

Okay, speaking of assholes, I should get back to the topic of Al Gore.
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I bet if you and I were sitting in a bar having this conversation over a couple of drinks, that you and I would be waaaay beyond this topic by now. :p


:D

(*8*) :kiss:
 
jackoroe said:
^Gore has ownership in the company that he pays the offsets to. Ergo, the money comes out of his one pocket and goes back int the other. Nice scam!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54528
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Whgatever the case shouldn't he as an environmentalist leader be aiming to go for reductions in carbon emissions rather than this limousine liberal swapping thing,nothing more than an indulgence given to wealthy hypocrites to make them look oh so environmentally conscious?He says his mansion is being fit with solar panels...good for that,at least he is doing something now about global warming in his own home life.However as such a pioneer and advocate against the threat posed by global warming,shouldn't Gore have been as personally dedicated to setting the good example way earlier on?Or was his good intentions enough?
 
^ The libs are all about hypocrisy. Real big on breaking a working man's balls for driving a pickup truck to get to work, while they're busy jetting all around the world. I'm planning a new place and I'd like to make it as green as I can afford. But I also realize that there are folks that don't have these means. Gore has the means, he just isn't willing to sacrifice. I mean a 10,000 sq. ft. home is a bit much.
 
jackoroe said:
^ The libs are all about hypocrisy. Real big on breaking a working man's balls for driving a pickup truck to get to work, while they're busy jetting all around the world. I'm planning a new place and I'd like to make it as green as I can afford. But I also realize that there are folks that don't have these means. Gore has the means, he just isn't willing to sacrifice. I mean a 10,000 sq. ft. home is a bit much.
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Gore and Edwards....poster boys for talking good games but living it up way beyond the means of the average American.Personally live opulent lives while wagging their fingers and preaching guilt and how others must sacrifice....damn hypocrites!
 
jackoroe said:
Gore has ownership in the company that he pays the offsets to. Ergo, the money comes out of his one pocket and goes back [into] the other. Nice scam!
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Your facts are incorrect. The “Company” (Generation Investment Management) purchases CO2 offsets on behalf of ALL of its employees, including Mr. Gore, as a means to indirectly offset their carbon-based fuel usage.

The Company was created to manage an investment fund and focuses its research “on long-term economic, environmental, social and governance risks and opportunities that can materially impact a company's ability to sustain profitability and deliver returns.” In other words, the Company recognizes the importance of environmental responsibility as one of several key predictors of a firm’s long-term viability.

The Company is not a provider, nor does it invest in any activity of carbon offset. The Company purchases offsets for itself and its employees from Chicago Climate Exchange and the British-based Carbon Neutral Company.

http://www.generationim.com/philosophy/research.html

  • Our research focuses on long-term economic, environmental, social and governance risks and opportunities that can materially impact a company's ability to sustain profitability and deliver returns
  • We do deep bottom up fundamental analysis on companies based on primary and secondary financial and non-financial research
  • We research sustainability themes that have the potential to impact the long-term operating context for business such as:
  • Climate Change
  • Pandemics / HIV/AIDS
  • Poverty / Real Needs
  • Water
  • Human Capital
  • Lobbying
  • Corporate Governance
  • Stakeholder Engagement
  • Bribery / Corruption
  • Demography / Urbanization
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opinterph said:
How do you suggest we approach the issue of carbon pollution?
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I think I'm already doing my part. My home is significantly smaller than the 10,000 sq. foot Gore Mansion. I don't jet about the country in a private plane, like Al Gore. I don't have a limo like Al Gore. My gas and electric bill is much smaller than Al's $2400 per month. I'm pretty sure I could give him some tips about conserving energy. Of course, I didn't invent the internet, like he did.
 
Soilwork said:
If you dont' like the message, shoot the messenger.

Very mature.

how shocking to find that a 20 room house uses more power than a small house.

Man, next you'll tell me that fat people weigh more.
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Oh, way to go -- dodge the message!

How much power a 20-room house used depends on more than just its size. Among these things:
* number of residents
* effectiveness of insulation
* power to unused rooms

A 20-room house with four people living in it should use only marginally more energy than a 4-room house with four people living in it.

But the big point is that the energy consumption jumped by over 10% in just one year -- while the guy is lecturing us on cutting back our energy use.
 
JohanLarson said:
The bold letters say it all.

There's an ulterior motive behind it all.

It's funny that this "local freemarket think tank" is espousing communism. Evidently, they want him (and every other rich person in a big house) to downsize to a 3-bedroom ranch in the suburbs.
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Huh?

Did you read any of the material? They're not espousing anything except honesty -- Gore urges everyone to cut down their energy usage, and yet his jumps by over 10% in a year. That looks like hypocrisy. All they're saying is that if he's going to do the talk, he ought to walk the walk.

Though they skimped a lot of information that would make better sense of this.
 
NickCole said:
Yes Ned we know who they are.

For their "Policy Briefs," "Policy Reports," and "Commentary" the sources they cite are Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation and American Enterprise Institute -- those are BushRepublican and Exxon and tobacco company sponsored "think tanks" designed to spew out propaganda.
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And just how much of their material have you read?

Cato isn't very Republican, and definitely not "BushRepublican."
Heritage is arguable.
American Enterprise isn't "BushRepublican".

Cato gets about 3/4 of its funding from individuals -- that doesn't leave much room for corporations.
I know Heritage has a fair endowment; other than that, I have no idea where their operating funds come from.
The American Enterprise Institute does get a large part of its funding from corporations.

They don't "spew out propaganda"; they do research, and draw conclusions.


What's hilarious about the Tennessee group is that they claim to be a center for "policy research" -- but apparently they do little but distill material from places which actually do research! It might be more honest if they called themselves the "Tennessee Institute for Passing On Things Other People Learned".
 
General_Alfie said:
That's why Gore's installing solar power -- to reduce his consumption of fossil-generated energy. So, yes, he is reducing his carbon consumption. As to the amount of energy he uses at his estate, something like 23 people work at that location -- his home is also his office.
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That's a piece of information that should have been in the article -- now we're talking family home + small business consumption.
By any chance did the number of people working there increase in the last year?
 
A summary of my thoughts about the topic:

The Tennessee outfit seems to have a point, but they're also being deceptive. So far, there isn't a complete enough picture to judge how well Gore is doing on his own energy consumption.
 
Kulindahr said:
… we're talking family home + small business consumption.
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Using some data from a previous study I conducted to estimate electricity usage for a modest computer server room, [consisting of a half-dozen servers along with firewall/router, hubs/switches, battery backup system with auto-reboot device, a single-monitor console, and a few other peripherals] it is not unreasonable to anticipate a 1,500 KWH draw per month. Add to this the requirement for A/C to cool the server room, fax machines, copiers, printers, telecom system, and a couple dozen additional user computer-stations and it becomes very conservative to suggest that these office-related systems account for the vast majority of Mr. Gore’s total electricity consumption. Add to this an employee “break room” with separate refrigerator, microwave, toaster-oven, dishwasher, disposal, and bottled-water dispenser (Tennessee water is awful) and separate facilities for security personnel, a sophisticated electronic security system including exterior lighting and remote-controlled gates, intercom, video recorders … it is more than reasonable to assume that incorporating the operations of his office (and security) within the home is primarily responsible for the fact that Mr. Gore’s energy consumption seems so out-of-line with that of his neighbors.


Kulindahr said:
… the big point is that the energy consumption jumped by over 10% in just one year …
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An important element of this usage increase (which seems to be missing in the various discussions) is whether other consumers in the same geographic area experienced a similar increase. After all, weather plays an integral role in utility consumption.

Another well-publicized fact is that the Gore home has undergone significant renovations in the last year. That would necessarily involve the usage of numerous power-tools, doors and windows being opened more than usual, and an increase in the number of individuals whose presence would incidentally affect the various facilities of the residence.
 
Good point about comparing usage to others in the area, Opinterph. I hadn't thought of that one.

And very nice evaluation of a small office's power needs. That analysis suggests the possibility that Gore has actually reduced consumption: If those workers previously occupied separate premises, the total between the two sets of facilities "before" and "after" would have to be compared. I know from experience that taking X number of people in two separate buildings and combining them into a single building can cut total power consumption by 20% or more, so it may well be that Gore's net consumption has dropped dramatically.
Since the think tank seems to have ignored all this, I have to say they're more "tank" than "think".

I did think of the power tools for remodeling, but spaced on it while writing. As a handyman, I can assure you that even modest use of power tools can add up fast, and for the scale of Gore's efforts... well, if you like to watch things spin, keeping an eye on a power meter wheel while a crew of a dozen or more are all using electric tools is a great way to fulfill the craving. Just using fan, floodlights, circular saw, and drill all at once on a recent project more than doubled the normal household power consumption over a week!
And I wasn't even enjoying air conditioning. :(
 
The problem is to me that those on the left are making excuses and not holding Gore accountable,though if he does use his home as an office,there is some defense.Just saying every anti-Gore source is biased and illegitimate and has an agenda....well,the truth is more complicated than that.He hasn't done nearly all he can from the beginning to practice what he preaches...NOW he puts in solar panels?WHAT ABOUT A FEW YEARS BACK WHEN HE WAS GETTING INVOLVED IN THE ISSUE?The carbon offsets indulgence he engages in is NOT readily available as an option for the average American.Is he living up to all he preaches,or is he falling short?there seems to be evidence both sides can take up,but clearly he can be faulted to some extent,as he talked a good game a long time without doing much to practice it until relatively recently,
 
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