Got a twist for you!

[screwnutty]

Aww. This thread was cute. lol.

And anywayz... I prefer Torchwood.

Torchwood kicks as too. But without Doctor Who...Torchwood would have never existed!

 

[screwnutty]

It's 5:14 am Sunday morning.

Walmart guy came to my house at 2:30am. Left 5 mins ago. Had a good laugh tonight and it's amazing how funny hoodies can be if you put your mind to it!

I explain later....going to bed!

 

[Lube]

?????!!!!!

 

[screwnutty]

i think he's just having a lil fun with us.



didn't have time to explain what happened, but HAD to post that there's "more to come."

Actually I've totally forgot to post what happened. Now course that night I was excited to see him and it seemed funny but now that I've had time to think, it really wasn't that funny. Basically we took turns tying out hoodies shut . You know pulling up the hood over our faces and tying them so that we can't see. This went on for about 10 mins and then he left. I thought no big deal of it the next day. He was just goofing off.

As for an update here you go....

1. We talk everyday at least once. I either txt him or he'll text me or call me when he's on lunch if he's having a stressful day. If those don't happen then we just meet each other at midnight on xboxlive and talk for a couple of hours every night.

2. He's dropped by about 5 times now after 1:00am in the morning. Usually after he's hung out with one of his many friends or he's left a party because he was bored. 3 of those times I knew he was coming. He leaves at 4 or 5 in the morning....once again nothing happens we just talk.

3. I managed to get him to come to my sister's bbq party and he seemed to have fun, mind you I brought along two other friends. Yesterday was the first time I managed to get him out for supper! With my boss and her mother. The guy is weird. He doesn't eat out, he doesn't like going out to places and such. I don't know how he keep a girlfriend for 8 months! LOL

4. Something personal happened in his life with this girl that he was trying to date. Yes I know what happened but it's not important to the case. So now he's really into a depressed mood. When he gets depressed he brings me down with him. I've tried to make him happy but all i get from him is "okay for you how about I pretend I'm happy and not depressed!"

5. Speaking of depressed, a couple of nights ago he dropped by and just started crying. I didn't know what to do. I finally managed to cheer him up and I got to hear how horrible some stuff when down at work. He told me that all his friends do is use him and that he has to be nice because he can't change that. He can't be mean to people. He said that all of his friends use him like a doormat or at least all of his co-worker friends.

6. After that night...I got a text from him saying thank you for listening. He also told me that he came to realize that he's not as bad off as he thought he was and that for the first time he was happy and content. He said "I owe it all to you". That last until he asked the girl that he liked....now he's back to being depressed again. Yes i told him to seek help but he doesn't want to waste the doctor's time. I'm going to try to convince him to at least talk to his medical doctor and see if she can do anything for him!

7. My friends still insist on calling him bi based on that stupid kiss. When sex comes up some of them ask if he's had feelings for guys etc. He even asked me why they think he's bi and I told him the truth. Now he's pissed off because he wants to try and convince my friends and me that he is straight. I told him to let it go.

So to wrap things up, I'm confused as all hell. I try not to think about it and I'm staying on course with just not doing anything or wasting any time cause I think he's a lost cause (if he isn't straight that is).

I told this story to another friend of mine who dabbled in mentally education a bit and he said two things to me.....

1. Chasing Amy, Your in a fucked up version of chasing Amy Screwnutty! (it's a movie) He tried to explain it to me and i just don't get it!

2. He goes you guys are doing everything that is required for a relationship to work....except having sex. Don't you see that? He talks to you, he confides in you and he kissed you. I'm sorry no guy kisses another guy unless they both getting something very important out of it. No straight guy kisses another guy that he knows is gay unless it's a movie!


So there you have it people. Basically what has transpired since my last post. Me, I'm counting down the days he leaves for college. T- minus 2 months and three weeks. FYI, he's not coming back home. He's going to find work down there and make Kitchener is permanent home for the next three years. Then when he's done his software engineering courses....he's moving to Toronto, Ottawa or some big place where he never has to deal with small town people again.

 

[Lube]

I told this story to another friend of mine who dabbled in mental education a bit and he said two things to me.....

2. He goes you guys are doing everything that is required for a relationship to work....except having sex. Don't you see that? He talks to you, he confides in you and he kissed you. I'm sorry no guy kisses another guy unless they both getting something very important out of it. No straight guy kisses another guy that he knows is gay unless it's a movie!

I would get along very well with your mental education friend. What he is saying is what I've been saying.

Oh, and

Speaking of depressed, a couple of nights ago he dropped by and just started crying. I didn't know what to do. I finally managed to cheer him up and I got to hear how horrible some stuff when down at work. He told me that all his friends do is use him and that he has to be nice because he can't change that. He can't be mean to people. He said that all of his friends use him like a doormat or at least all of his co-worker friends.

c'mon, how gay is that?

But, as you say, he is moving away in a few months. If you can't move, there may not be much point in trying to continue this in a sexual way.

 

[Lube]

That's complete bullshit. I haven't been sexually attracted to girls in years but still made out with an Ecuadorian chick at a party a month or so ago. Kisses don't equal a wedding band, and that bullshit about "getting something very important out of it" is, well, bullshit.

I'm confused. Why did you kiss her?

Personally, I love a great kisser. When I kiss a guy who's a great kisser, I leak like crazy. Doesn't happen with women.

 

[screwnutty]

I would get along very well with your mental education friend. What he is saying is what I've been saying.

Oh, and



c'mon, how gay is that?

But, as you say, he is moving away in a few months. If you can't move, there may not be much point in trying to continue this in a sexual way.

I know. Like I said. It's like were in a relationship. I don't care about the sexual aspects of it. It's not that big deal of a thing to me. I'd just like him to acknowledge that he has feelings for me. Cause I think he does and I also think these feelings extend beyond normal friendship rules. As for him moving away. He will only be about 2 hours away and he's already assured me that of all his friends here in our hometown. He will be talking to me every night that he can on live. Even if he gets a girlfriend cause he doesn't want to lose me. I'm one of the best things to happen to him in his life this year!


That made me feel "FANTASTIC!"

 

[Lube]

two reasons. LOTS of whiskey and a game of spin the bottle. she's really hot, thought i was hot, and eventually we were purposefully stopping the bottle on one another.

But you're "not sexually attracted to her"? Now I'm really confused.

There are 'hello' kisses, and 'goodbye' kisses, and 'I love you Mom' kisses.

And then there are sensual/sexual kisses. They don't even have to be French kisses--but with the right person, there are fireworks. I cannot imagine having these kinds of kisses with someone you are not sexually attracted to. But that's just me.

 

[G-Lexington]

My sister makes out with anybody who wants to (or used to, anyway). That includes women, and she's completely straight. She thinks it's fun.

Lex

 

[screwnutty]

That's complete bullshit. I haven't been sexually attracted to girls in years but still made out with an Ecuadorian chick at a party a month or so ago. Kisses don't equal a wedding band, and that bullshit about "getting something very important out of it" is, well, bullshit.


two reasons. LOTS of whiskey and a game of spin the bottle. she's really hot, thought i was hot, and eventually we were purposefully stopping the bottle on one another.

Okay Marleyisalegend. First off, I don't like you. Your comments in other threads are sometimes just wrong and useless in my opinion. Therefore anything you have to say in my thread I am not going to take into consideration at all. Sorry, I mean no disrespect at all towards you. I just don't like the advice you give.

Second. I don't buy the I was too drunk to know what I was doing routine. Okay so you kissed a girl and yes a kiss doesn't mean a wedding ring. But you did kiss her because you found her hot. She found you hot. You know what. I kiss girls too. Because the ones I guess love the attention they get from there boyfriends or friends because they have a gay guy kissing them. I'll admit I love hearing them tell me what a wonderful kisser I am. Just boosts my pride is all!

Which leads us to guys kissing guys. They do it when there young to show off to there buds. To get reaction from crowds or to prove that there not homophobic. Some girls love seeing to guys kiss and growing up in high school i had guy friends that would kiss each other at a party only because if they did it then the girls had to do it. Most straight guys find girls making out hot. I don't know, does nothing for me! LOL .

But what straight guy would kiss a gay guy? Unless they were best friends. Which me and walmart guy were not yet at the time. I'm sorry if I have to agree with my friend. Unless your staring in a movie and your co-actor is gay and it's required that you kiss...your not going to do it.

Just my two cents and I don't care if you agree with me or not!

 

[screwnutty]

You're using a very narrow-minded idea of kissing. Family members kiss. Friends kiss. Kissing is not just for people who wanna fuck or get married to one another. Sometimes it's all in fun.

My sister makes out with anybody who wants to (or used to, anyway). That includes women, and she's completely straight. She thinks it's fun.

Lex

Yes I have to agree to a degree that sometimes a kiss is just a kiss.

However, my walmart friend does not kiss for fun. In fact he never kisses anybody. Not even his female friends. His female friends from that night asked me this question "How on Earth did you get him to kiss you. He never kisses! He said he never kiss another person after his ex" I told them I'm in as much shock as they are. I think they've been bugging him about this. But you know what. Forget about the kiss.

You have all the evidence here in print form. Let's play clue people. Give me a reason on why you think he could be bi/gay based on the events from this thread and then turn around and give me a reason why he is straight based on events from this thread!

This would be more useful then just bitching about a kiss. It would help me to, incase I've missed something.


BEGIN.....

 

[Lube]

You're using a very narrow-minded idea of kissing. Family members kiss. Friends kiss. Kissing is not just for people who wanna fuck or get married to one another. Sometimes it's all in fun.

Did you not read my first sentence?

 

[Lube]

My sister makes out with anybody who wants to (or used to, anyway). That includes women, and she's completely straight. She thinks it's fun.

Lex

As you say, it's just for fun. It's a game to her. It's not really making out. (If it is, she's bi or lesbian. Hello)

Now, if Nutty says his friend kisses lots of guys, then it would immediately make me back off using that as evidence that the guy is bi/gay/curious.

 

[Lube]

I know. Like I said. It's like were in a relationship. I don't care about the sexual aspects of it. It's not that big deal of a thing to me. I'd just like him to acknowledge that he has feelings for me. Cause I think he does and I also think these feelings extend beyond normal friendship rules. As for him moving away. He will only be about 2 hours away and he's already assured me that of all his friends here in our hometown. He will be talking to me every night that he can on live. Even if he gets a girlfriend cause he doesn't want to lose me. I'm one of the best things to happen to him in his life this year!


That made me feel "FANTASTIC!"

Awww!

I'll admit I'm not sure how to get him to admit he has feelings for you, without you guys getting at least a little physical. This might take years for him to come to grips with.

 

[screwnutty]

I did. Let's get back on topic and tell the OP what he wants sorely to hear.

The boy is bi and wants your body for some hot, sweet lovin'.

You're the second coming to him, the greatest thing since sliced bread and the savior of his ever-faltering world. Kudos to you for bringing light to his darkness and opening up his mind to build a strong, meaningul relationship with a man.

Wow. Marleyisalegend has actually helped me a wee bit. I mean his above comment of course is meant to be sarcastic as all hell and no doubt once again prove that I'm just another typical gay guy who is using all of his energy to "convert" a straight guy into the homosexual lifestyle. But the funny thing is that his comment has actually helped. It was this line....

savior of his ever-faltering world. Kudos to you for bringing light to his darkness and opening up his mind

Now. This is funny. Because Walmart guy basically said the same thing to me. Not in the same words as Marley used of course but he did say that I am the one person he can truly count on to be there as his world goes to hell. He told me that I bring light to his darkness like a lighthouse helping a ship trying to find port. That basically no matter how done he feels and how bullshit he has going on in his life, he can forget about all of that when he's with me. That's why he talks to me, comes to me and he enjoys hanging with me. Then he gets sad because he has to leave me to go home and back to his shit hole of life. That is why I feel FANTASTIC! Cause it means that to all the people i've meet in my 32 years of life, I have finally one person that I know I have helped and made them feel good about themselves. Maybe by hanging with me he will find the courage he needs to stop being depressed and to stop letting other treat him like a doormat.

Oh Marley You didn't answer my request. I said to say why he is gay or bi and give me a reason based on the facts presented and then why he's straight based on the facts presented. You did neither so I'm giving you a failing grade. This is my thread...play by my rules!

 

[Lube]

OK, how about turning the tables on him.

When he comes over, tell him you had a bad day--and you need a hug. Just a hug. Nothing more.

There are a lot of possibilities. He may run away. More likely, he will argue with you for a minute, and then give in and do a quick hug.

If he does that, try to not let him go for a few seconds. Let him feel your arms around him. If he tries to get away, just say, "c'mon, just a couple more seconds--it was a really bad day--you make me very happy when you're here" or something. Then rub your hands up & down his back.

Then let go.

It should be pretty drama-free. If nothing else, it will make him think. If he truly is straight, you might just scare him away. If he's bi/curious/gay, then you may have opened a door.

Guys in denial are tough. They are not leaders. They will not take a hint and go with it. That's your job. He's afraid; you're not. You're comfortable with yourself; he isn't.

That's why I said it may not be worth it if he moves away (although you later said he won't be far away). It's gonna take time. But you guys sound like you really like each other.

The big difference between you two and the LostVegas thread is that the other guy was being used for money. Nothing you've said has led me to believe that.

Disclaimer:
I am not, in any way, suggesting that you should try to "convert" a straight guy to being gay (from my other posts, you can tell I don't believe it's possible to do such a thing). We're talking here about a guy we both think is in denial/curious/bi who has a serious emotional connection with you.

 

[screwnutty]

OK, how about turning the tables on him.

When he comes over, tell him you had a bad day--and you need a hug. Just a hug. Nothing more.

I try that Lube. Honestly though he has more bad days then I do! LOL. I told him last night when he was just feeling so depressed after leaving my place that next time I see him, he's getting a hug. He told me I don't want a hug from you. I'm straight remember. I said tough, straight or gay everybody needs a hug once in awhile. He argued like you said for a few mins and then just said fine...I'm too tired to bitch. So I try that and pray to god that I don't get a punch across the chops!

 

[Lube]

Good luck! Keep us up to date.