Governor is Waiting to Veto Gay Marriage Legislation

[jackoroe]

Right wing queers? Go figure.



Hey Jackoroe - I don't post here much since the rules were changed. In the good old days, a poster in CE&P would cite a source for the stupendously stupid claim above ^

Want a little salt for that crow your eating about now?

 

[Lostlover]

I wonder if Governor Fat Ass would have put civil rights legislation in the 60's to a popular vote?

Fair question.



Jackoroe: how does it feel seeing Governor Fat Ass dancing around gay rights?

 

[jackoroe]

I wonder if Governor Fat Ass would have put civil rights legislation in the 60's to a popular vote?

Fair question.



Jackoroe: how does it feel seeing Governor Fat Ass dancing around gay rights?

He answered your question as it relates to voting on civil rights, didn't he?

The thing people love/hate about him is his directness. He made the point that he said he would veto gay marriage legislation, which he has. He also answered critics who claim that people from NJ support gay marriage by saying fine, put it on the ballot and let the majority be heard. That would amend the state constitution and prevent future legislatures from screwing with the right in the future. Personally, I think it wins if it goes before the people. Particularly in a high turnout year like 2012.

I disagree with him to the extent that you either have a right or you don't. If you do, then no one should be voting on it including the legislature. Ultimately, it will be decided by SCOTUS as an equal protection issue. I don't see how we lose that argument.

Christie is many things. Someone who dances around issues isn't one of them. Rep. Ford even commended him as being consistent and forthright.

 

[jackoroe]

seems weird that he'd see a need to amend the state constitution when it already guarantees equal rights and civil unions/marriage has been proven to be separate and unequal.

There's also a court challenge based on what you've correctly asserted. That may be another avenue to get where we need to go.

 

[Kulindahr]

Christie didn't dance at all -- Obama's dancing.


Christie is just screwed up in thinking that rights should ever, ever be subject to a vote.



BTW, the dweeb commentator asking about gay marriage and black civil rights is blind: if it was possible to identify gays by sight, we would have suffered even worse than the blacks did. As it was, gays got fired, thrown out of housing, beaten, stabbed, hung... for being gay.
And I don't think blacks were ever called spawn of Satan.

 

[Lostlover]

He answered your question as it relates to voting on civil rights, didn't he?

The thing people love/hate about him is his directness. He made the point that he said he would veto gay marriage legislation, which he has. He also answered critics who claim that people from NJ support gay marriage by saying fine, put it on the ballot and let the majority be heard. That would amend the state constitution and prevent future legislatures from screwing with the right in the future. Personally, I think it wins if it goes before the people. Particularly in a high turnout year like 2012.

I disagree with him to the extent that you either have a right or you don't. If you do, then no one should be voting on it including the legislature. Ultimately, it will be decided by SCOTUS as an equal protection issue. I don't see how we lose that argument.

Christie is many things. Someone who dances around issues isn't one of them. Rep. Ford even commended him as being consistent and forthright.

I guess you never heard the phrase: "consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds."

The point like Kuli mentioned above is that you shouldn't put people's rights to a vote unless you don't believe that they are rights people should not have or that you can debate these rights.

I love how this falls all on the SCOTUS' shoulders, not the bigoted politicians you support.

 

[Kulindahr]

The point like Kuli mentioned above is that you shouldn't put people's rights to a vote unless you don't believe that they are rights people should not have or that you can debate these rights.

This is why Franklin said democracy was two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner: when rights get voted on, someone always gets "eaten".

A Republic, Franklin went on, is the well-armed lamb disputing the outcome. In this Republic, before that it's the well-armed lamb going to the courts to get justice. If the courts don't provide, then it may be time for the other sort of arms, not the kind that throw briefs and petitions, but bullets.

 

[JB3]

See above. Obama does support gay marriage.

He supports it exactly like Cheney does in fact, in that he feels he can't really support it while in he is president (or in Cheney's case VP). He supported it before he was elected, and will again whenever his presidency ends.

Tell me why it would make any logical sense to stop defending DOMA if he was against gay marriage?

Obama does not support gay marriage. That is a fact. He has said so. He shares that position with Christie and others.

Where he differs is that he does not believe he has the right to force that opinion on others, or implement that opinion into law.

 

[Kulindahr]

Obama does not support gay marriage. That is a fact. He has said so. He shares that position with Christie and others.

Where he differs is that he does not believe he has the right to force that opinion on others, or implement that opinion into law.

That's a point where he's a far, far better Christian than the elephangelicals: Jesus never said anything remotely resembling, "Use the government to force everyone behave the way you think they should".

 

[JB3]

That's a point where he's a far, far better Christian than the elephangelicals: Jesus never said anything remotely resembling, "Use the government to force everyone behave the way you think they should".

And that's the key difference between where Obama sits on the issue and where Christie sits. Obama actually understands that his opinion and beliefs are just that.

 

[rareboy]

^ Exactly.

 

[syntax]

Want a little salt for that crow your (sic) eating about now?

Thank you for your kind offer of salt, Jackoroe. It is much appreciated, but not necessary as I do not eat crow. In the same spirit of kindness, may I offer you a beer to go along with your gloat?

 

[skd5674]

This is why I hate the state I live in. The only reason Christie got elected is because he was so against teachers and government employees (and in this extremely republican state, education and cops are the devil, so why not elect an extremist). Now don't get me wrong, I love the fact that, as somebody said earlier, Christie is direct and unwavering. I'd rather a governor that follows what he says instead of wavering and bitching about something and then getting elected and saying to hell with it. The problem is the shit he does in office like this. There was no reason to veto this bill. At all. He's letting personal bias rule the government, and it's bs.

 

[cockbrain]

Re: Governor Fat Ass is Waiting to Veto Gay Marriage Legislation

No, it isn't. This is a very common fallacy around here, but the commonness doesn't make it okay. I 'chided' people for the fat-ass remarks, and I find very few things about people more disgusting than fat asses.

Now, think about it.

You are right and isn't that my point from the beginning: Being gay is not a legitimate target nor is ass fatness. Using my logic, "if being gay is a target, then ass fatness is also a target." See if gay is then ass is. If ass fatness isn't then gay isn't. Do you see the logic. Contrapositive dude. That's all I mean. The repubs attack gays and use gays but HANDS OFF THE ASS FATNESS. How dare anyone say ass fat... but gay is acceptable.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Governor Fat Ass is Waiting to Veto Gay Marriage Legislation

You are right and isn't that my point from the beginning: Being gay is not a legitimate target nor is ass fatness. Using my logic, "if being gay is a target, then ass fatness is also a target." See if gay is then ass is. If ass fatness isn't then gay isn't. Do you see the logic. Contrapositive dude. That's all I mean. The repubs attack gays and use gays but HANDS OFF THE ASS FATNESS. How dare anyone say ass fat... but gay is acceptable.

Ah -- contrapositive is something I get.