Ground Zero Mosque -- Should it Be Built?

[Kulindahr]

Every property is on its own trajectory. Who knows what the issues may be with any individual building?

There isn't a NYC Religious Building Authority saying "Yes Muslims, no Greek Orthodox!"

There are always processes with zoning approval, permitting and so on. If someone has actual evidence of some wrongdoing, that's one thing - but this at least sounds like business as usual in urban planning. The fact that one is a church and one an Islamic community center is the only reason anyone is making a comparison.

There's no reason on earth for anyone to stop and wait until everyone else feels they're in the order they should be in. You get your approvals and permits and you get to work, just like everyone else does.

"Business as usual" when it takes nine years and they still don't have the go-ahead to just rebuild?

No, someone's been stalling them. More than one article has said that when prompted by a higher official, the bureaucrats didn't even know where the paperwork was. Easy to figure why: they stuffed it somewhere and ignored it. There's no zoning problem, unless someone changed the zoning right after 9/11 -- and if they did that, they're acting against federal law. And if it takes nine years in New York City to get the needed permits for starting to rebuild, they need some people with brains to replace the bozos currently running things.

 

[MercuryJones]

"Business as usual" when it takes nine years and they still don't have the go-ahead to just rebuild?

They're certainly involved in some complicated negotiations. But like everyone else, they are responsible for their own negotiations. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/nyregion/19church.html

If the church and the Islamic center were in identical situations and one got far faster and better treatment, there would be a case for bias. But they're not.

 

[MawellEvans]

the world trade center didn’t produce rainbows. It was a center of capitalism. legal capitalism. it had a legal right to operate.

 

[MoltenRock III]

Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Should it Be Built

I think the Democrats in New York,the vast majority of the voting public in that state should decide the issue. I'd be interested to see if the Democrats in NY are anything like the Democrat voters in California who because of an election,banned homosexuals the freedom to be married. Let's let a Democrat majority once again decide the fate of the mosque/comminity center.

How hard is it for you to understand that RIGHTS ARE NOT UP FOR A VOTE, PERIOD! I don't give a shit if 99.999% of the whole country is against this, it's about civil fucking rights! Jesus how hard is that to understand?

 

[MoltenRock III]

"Business as usual" when it takes nine years and they still don't have the go-ahead to just rebuild?

No, someone's been stalling them. More than one article has said that when prompted by a higher official, the bureaucrats didn't even know where the paperwork was. Easy to figure why: they stuffed it somewhere and ignored it. There's no zoning problem, unless someone changed the zoning right after 9/11 -- and if they did that, they're acting against federal law. And if it takes nine years in New York City to get the needed permits for starting to rebuild, they need some people with brains to replace the bozos currently running things.

Talk to Pataki about not doing anything other than complicate the process of rebuilding at the former WTC.

Rebuilding the WTC has absolutely nothing to do with this Muslim community center / cooking school.

Additionally, this site (Park51) is going to be a non-profit run by people of multiple religions and open to people of other faiths. My god, this issue is nonsense.

 

[JB3]

Are you kidding? The economy is the USA sucks, and especially so for construction trades. There will be plenty of people lining up to do the work. There's a lot of pain and suffering right now from laid off / unemployed skilled craftspeople.

Not in NY, where unions have a monopoly on construction work. If there are enough Union members that refuse to participate in the center's construction, then it won't be built.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local..._say_no_way_they_will_work_on_wtc_mosque.html

 

[MoltenRock III]

Not in NY, where unions have a monopoly on construction work. If there are enough Union members that refuse to participate in the center's construction, then it won't be built.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local..._say_no_way_they_will_work_on_wtc_mosque.html

Blah. I'll bet you $20 that union building tradespeople are not going to be the issue in building this community center.

You're dead wrong on this. There are 600,000 Muslims in New York City, and yes plenty of them are in the building trades as well. Whining that labor unions won't build it reeks of being a sore loser.

 

[JB3]

Blah. I'll bet you $20 that union building tradespeople are not going to be the issue in building this community center.

You're dead wrong on this. There are 600,000 Muslims in New York City, and yes plenty of them are in the building trades as well. Whining that labor unions won't build it reeks of being a sore loser.

You don't seem to understand. (and I can see why since you live in Minnesota) Without the support of the unions, this thing won't be built. Period. That's just how things work in New York. The number of muslims in NYC, and the number of them in construction, are irrelevant. Without Unions there to build it, it won't be built.

 

[MoltenRock III]

You don't seem to understand. (and I can see why since you live in Minnesota) Without the support of the unions, this thing won't be built. Period. That's just how things work in New York. The number of muslims in NYC, and the number of them in construction, are irrelevant. Without Unions there to build it, it won't be built.

And you don't seem to understand that there are union tradespeople who are Muslim. In addition there are plenty of union tradespeople who are desperate enough, and/or don't care about this non-issue.

The NY Post is just another rag owned by FOX news' master puppeteer.

 

[MercuryJones]

You don't seem to understand. (and I can see why since you live in Minnesota) Without the support of the unions, this thing won't be built. Period. That's just how things work in New York. The number of muslims in NYC, and the number of them in construction, are irrelevant. Without Unions there to build it, it won't be built.

That's possible, and if it comes to pass people will be within their rights to decline to work on it.

But I don't think that will happen. Times are tight and construction jobs aren't growing on trees.

 

[JB3]

And you don't seem to understand that there are union tradespeople who are Muslim. In addition there are plenty of union tradespeople who are desperate enough, and/or don't care about this non-issue.

The NY Post is just another rag owned by FOX news' master puppeteer.

Do you even understand how unions work? Like I said earlier, they're not going to give two shits if they have muslim members. If the union says they're not going to work on the project, they're not. SImple as that.

And I'm not surprised you threw in some more petty insults. Seems to be your M.O. of late.

 

[Kulindahr]

Not in NY, where unions have a monopoly on construction work. If there are enough Union members that refuse to participate in the center's construction, then it won't be built.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local..._say_no_way_they_will_work_on_wtc_mosque.html

What he's saying here is that in New York, it isn't a free country. Unions are a force outside the law, tolerated by those in power, who can dictate to people because they have the power to ruin them.

For those who still live in something resembling a free country, that's hard to understand. For those who've read The Three Musketeers, think of the unions as Cardinal Richelieu' thugs.

 

[koontzfanwv]

Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Should it Be Built

How hard is it for you to understand that RIGHTS ARE NOT UP FOR A VOTE, PERIOD! I don't give a shit if 99.999% of the whole country is against this, it's about civil fucking rights! Jesus how hard is that to understand?

How hard is it for you to understand that i wasn't referring to rather the mosque/community center should exist. Nobody should trample on religious freedom. I was referring to the locality of the mosque.

 

[MercuryJones]

Re: Ground Zero Mosque -- Should it Be Built

How hard is it for you to understand that i wasn't referring to rather the mosque/community center should exist. Nobody should trample on religious freedom. I was referring to the locality of the mosque.

What exactly are you saying should be up for a vote then?