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Guns in America - two new takes

I am not sure if they are supposed to be funny, but there is something quite amusing about letting blind people shoot, but I also notice in the article there is presently no retriction on them shooting, except they need to be with some one who can see. Funny.

The second one just seems to be a publicity stunt to be honest, and the fact its here on the website means its working.
 
Guns in the right hands are a very good detierent to crime in this country, but also a very good way to commint crime. On the other hand.
 
1st off, just so it's known, I would be considered a "gun nut" by most people on these forums. I have not heard about the first story (blind people) before and if it's true, OMFG! I would be outraged if that law passed. Give a blind guy a gun THAT'S a good Idea (insert sarcasm here).

As for the second, I see no problem here on any side of the debate, she will only do it for Police officers, if ANYone can be trusted with a firearm....
 
Hmmmm giving guns to the blind, what could possibly go wrong. I am from Australia, not quite as gun crazy down here, and I must say that disconnected from the American furore the question really arises as to what you find entertaining about hunting. With this new article suggesting increased hunting for the blind one can only assume it is the 'thrill' of killing something, am I the only one that sees this as disturbing and possibly connected to the high rates of American gun crime? lol and this quote

"Under existing state law, the use of laser sights, spotlights and headlights is strictly prohibited in all hunting. The practice can have the effect of making animals stand still as the light shines on them."

lol what, so under law its acceptable to kill the animal but you have to make it put up a futile fight before you do so, got sadism anyone???](*,)
 
I couldn't read the first article. I got all the ads and pop-ups, but no article. I can't comment on that one.

As for the second article, I'd rather have a new toaster.
 
I personally do not believe that I have an ethical right (I don't care if it is legal or not) to harm another person. I have a right to do what I want with my body but not someone elses. Because of this, I would never use a gun on anyone else.

The city that I live in just closed a gun club on its 60th anniversary. It is wonderful not having to hear anything but the sounds of nature. I did support the closure of the club and I'm thankful that I did. :)



Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead
 
metta said:
I personally do not believe that I have an ethical right (I don't care if it is legal or not) to harm another person. I have a right to do what I want with my body but not someone elses. Because of this, I would never use a gun on anyone else.

The city that I live in just closed a gun club on its 60th anniversary. It is wonderful not having to hear anything but the sounds of nature. I did support the closure of the club and I'm thankful that I did. :)



Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead
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Guns are meant for shooting back. The other option is being a victim -- your choice, of course.

Would you also support the ending of high school football? It brings about more deaths every year among high school students than firearms do.
 
Oh -- I didn't see anything about the articles that sounded crazy, except I would have offered a Glock to every buyer who had a certificate from a recognized handgun training organization... especially because the police kill an innocent person far more often than an intended victim!

The hunting for the blind seems more a technical challenge to me. If they could come up with a rig that would let the "guide" see through the blind person's scope, I'd be happier with it. A trained guide can give the "two inches higher" advice and do well, but the typical hunter can't.
 
Kulindahr said:
Guns are meant for shooting back. The other option is being a victim -- your choice, of course.

Would you also support the ending of high school football? It brings about more deaths every year among high school students than firearms do.
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Bullets can go all directions. As for being a victim...it is not really anything that I'm concerncerned about. If it ever happens...it happens...I'm not going to worry about it or plan for it. I would still never purposely harm anyone else. I realize that it is a different philosophy of how to live but it works for me. I would rather live this way than make plans on how I would harm or kill other people.

I don't have any opinion about high school football. My original statement was about what I personally have chosen, it had nothing to do with what anyone else does.
 
We Americans would be a lot better off if we banned all guns. Europe and the UK have a much safer environment because of it. We tend to get obsessed about everything here that can hurt or kill others.
 
T-Rexx said:
Have no fear, boys!

If China ever nukes us, I will shoot the ICBMs out of the sky before they land with the Glock I got when I bought my house.
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Be sure to tighten your trampoline springs, so you can jump high enough!


Actually, a nuke is a "team" weapon, requiring multiple people to launch, It comes, therefore, under the aegis of other "team" weapons to counter it. Though if you wanted to build your own AMB battery on your property, *I* wouldn't object... it just seems a rather silly thing to do.
 
nothing wrong with a smith and wesson near by!!!!!!!!!!
 
I don't think that the mere presence of guns is why America is so unsafe. Canada has a higher rate of per capita gun ownership, but homicide due to shootings is ridiculously low.

I think that there are many other problems here in the US that are to blame for all of the violence. I think the lack of dedication to education, after school programs, poverty, etc..... are definitely contributors.

Plus, we have a constitutional right to bear arms. And with our current administration in place I feel that the ability to have one is a very good thing.

As far as hunting is concerned, I think it's silly unless you live in the wilderness and that is how you get your food. Shooting stuff just to kill it is kinda lame in my opinion.
 
littlemonster said:
I don't think that the mere presence of guns is why America is so unsafe. Canada has a higher rate of per capita gun ownership, but homicide due to shootings is ridiculously low.

I think that there are many other problems here in the US that are to blame for all of the violence. I think the lack of dedication to education, after school programs, poverty, etc..... are definitely contributors.

Plus, we have a constitutional right to bear arms. And with our current administration in place I feel that the ability to have one is a very good thing.

As far as hunting is concerned, I think it's silly unless you live in the wilderness and that is how you get your food. Shooting stuff just to kill it is kinda lame in my opinion.
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I've hunted for years, and I've never met anyone who shoots something "just to kill it". Some hunters aren't interested in the meat, but they donate it to food programs (I know more people on food assistance who get bear steak, elk steak, etc., than I ever do!). The hides go to hide boxes, where they're turned into leather which is turned into products which go for charitable concerns. There are even places to donate the bones, or -- what guys with a farm or ranch often do -- those can be ground up and tilled into the flower garden. The only parts I see wasted are the guts... and there are even folks who eat the lungs (where I draw the line).
From another angle: in most of North America, the predators that used to keep the deer in check have been eliminated. Since humans did the eliminating, humans have the responsibility to fill in that niche. Mostly, the deaths from hunting are far more humane than those by, say, wolves. In my hunting years, I've seen far, far more deer die of misguided "humane" efforts than from hunters.

But this reminds me of something: more and more suburbs are reaching out into wildlife ranges, and the wildlife aren't retreating -- because humans don't seem dangerous to them any more. So we get little kids carried off by mountain lions! Right there is enough reason for keeping a high-caliber semi-auto rifle in the house!
 
We have trouble with children bringing guns to school in their backpacks or what-have-you....

One of the state legislators answer to all the gun problems was to actually "Arm the teachers"!!!

What idiot in his right mind would want to have ALL those guns at school with hundreds of students around??

I mean, who/what is to decide who has a gun and what if they should get upset with Johnny or Susie and use that gun inappropriately??

Just too many guns around for our own good.

Sure, I believe in the amendment and "the right"; but you will NOT see me rushing out to buy a weapon...........just because I can!

.........and, YES, I am from the U.S.!!! lol(*8*) (*8*) :kiss: :kiss:
 
cocktales said:
We have trouble with children bringing guns to school in their backpacks or what-have-you....

One of the state legislators answer to all the gun problems was to actually "Arm the teachers"!!!

What idiot in his right mind would want to have ALL those guns at school with hundreds of students around??

I mean, who/what is to decide who has a gun and what if they should get upset with Johnny or Susie and use that gun inappropriately??

Just too many guns around for our own good.

Sure, I believe in the amendment and "the right"; but you will NOT see me rushing out to buy a weapon...........just because I can!

.........and, YES, I am from the U.S.!!! lol(*8*) (*8*) :kiss: :kiss:
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It would depend on the school; after all, the U.S. isn't a monolithic culture.

My sister taught in a school where just about everyone brought/wore a gun to school, right down to the 8th graders. It was a place where just about everyone walked to school -- over ground not uncommonly infested with rattlesnakes, through country where cougars and coyotes weren't unknown. The kids hung their pieces in their lockers, the teachers stuck theirs in their desks -- no big deal; they were tools, like any other tool.
I knew a guy who went to school in an inner city. He always thought these school shootings were plain stupid, because at his school the kids coming in to shoot it up might have killed one kid, but no more -- they would have been dropped on the spot by other kids with their own weapons.
In neither of those sort of schools, indeed in most rural schools, in America would I see a problem with teachers carrying guns -- it would fit right in with the "culture", and not be a problem. It's in suburbia where things would get tricky -- and, unfortunately, in suburbia that someone on the spot needs to be armed, because that's where school shootings have generally been a risk. I wouldn't have a theoretical objection; my pratical objection would be that there are too many people who act the coward because they are uninformed and misled about firearms, and that probably there aren't any teachers who are trained. If I were put in charge of arming teachers there, I'd insist on forty hours of training first, thirty of it actually handling firearms, and half of that with the sidearm they'd carry. Then I'd insist on at least 100 rounds per week to be fired for practice (with an instructor's supervision), and twice-annual review sessions, classroom and practical.
 
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