Guys (and gals), it's been an absolute pleasure.

[backpacker]

^ true, but the porn was already in existence before JLY had it handed to him. He was not involved in making the porn in any way. It was as stupid decision to keep it, but hindsight is usually 20/20 (or at least better than foresight). If there are to be penalties for kidporn, the penalties should apply at the point of its ORIGINAL PRODUCTION, FIRST INTERNET OFFERING OR FIRST SALE, only.

Any further penalties are using a very blunt instrument which catches far too many people, including those who may be no more than marginally curious, or even those who may possess it entirely in error. Such people don't deserve to receive prison sentences which, in some jurisdictions, may actually exceed the prison sentences for premeditated murder.

Prairelooner, this is the most shocking thing I have read on this entire thread. If the police could only go after the producer or first distributor of child pornography, they would almost never get a conviction and business would be romped. Then there is the consideration of the type of people that view kiddie porn and the fact that it often escalates into participating in it. We certainly don't need to be encouraging that.

I have tried to sit back and be supportive of Joe while at the same time stating clearly that his actions were wrong and he needs to deal with the consequences. Joe has a problem and I hope he gets help for it. The people who are defending his actions are an outrage. Not only that, but they don't even bother to get the facts (as presented by Joe) right. Let's review a few things: 1) he wasn't just handed a CD to hold - he was given a CD, viewed it and decided to keep it; 2) he admitted to having other kiddie porn that was downloaded from a website (he said he didn't know what he was downloading, but once again he kept it); 3) he showed the porn to a friend that he thought would be cool about it (much like the person who gave it to Joe thought he would be cool about it). He clearly has a problem and it's not just poor judgment. Joe is going through a tough time and can use our support, but please stop defending his actions. I hope he gets the help he needs. He is young and can still lead a productive life.

 

[Piquechampion]

JLY appears to fall into that favored category of the "easily forgiven". There are JUBbers who, if they went to jail for not paying a parking ticket they forgot about, would be told, "Well, you should've paid the ticket."

Apparently I´m not one of them by a long shot

I post that I have two maids, and I´m given the Brat of the Year Award

Anyways, I still wish Joe JLY luck, you know, I don´t believe in kicking a person when he´s down.

 

[Jeimuzu]

I'm not taking sides here, nor am I agreeing with any particular action.

The one thing I want to say is... this has been going on for ages.

How come you all waited until he was in no position to answer questions, refute falsehoods and otherwise defend himself, before you all started on the outrage?

I should point out that I knew exactly what was going on. This is because it's been going on for quite a while, and many threads have been posted. You have waited until what looks to be the last one for the near future, and one which he'll be entirely unable to respond to in any specific sense.

 

[NineOfClubs]

I don´t believe in kicking a person when he´s down.

Neither do I. But I think that puts us into a minority group here on JUB.

Best of luck to you, Joe....

 

[G-Lexington]

I'll freely admit to not chiming in until late in the game. Mainly because I thought I was all alone in my "Dude WTF" reaction to the whole thing. I assumed everyone else was a JLY fan, and if I wasn't (or "enjoyed pretending I was better than he", or however else you wish to put it), so be it. I saw how similar he was to my friend - the one that gets pulled over but drives off without a ticket every time - and stated my full-fledged belief that he'd get off with a stern warning and perhaps something akin to probation. And that was going to be the end of it.

I only tossed in my two cents not because now it's oh so fun and fashionable to pile on, but because others had expressed unhappiness about the whole thing, and because I thought my thoughts/takes were different enough to warrant inclusion. If you see it differently, fine - label the gargoyle a hater and an opportunist, and let's move on.

Lex

 

[NickCole]

I'm not taking sides here, nor am I agreeing with any particular action.

The one thing I want to say is... this has been going on for ages.

How come you all waited until he was in no position to answer questions, refute falsehoods and otherwise defend himself, before you all started on the outrage?

I should point out that I knew exactly what was going on. This is because it's been going on for quite a while, and many threads have been posted. You have waited until what looks to be the last one for the near future, and one which he'll be entirely unable to respond to in any specific sense.

I speak only for myself but I've been forthright with Joe all along. I called him out for his choices and manipulation during the drunk driving business. And I took issue with him in this thread as soon as I read it while he was still around.

His quote I cut & pasted from another thread was from a post I'd addressed in that thread and he responded to.

He responded to me here in public and with private messages. I've said nothing behind Joe's back that I haven't said directly to him.

And, for what it's worth, I like Joe; I'd be his friend. But I don't believe any friend ever made anybody's life better by excusing, defending or enabling destructive choices.

 

[rareboy]

Oh please Jeimuzu.

This thread started out as a self-serving pitch for good wishes. You would have thought from the early posts that everyone was waving bon voyage to a gay cruise liner carrying their favourite Auntie.

No one 'waited' until he couldn't answer questions. Most people were just being incredibly reticent to say anything since he published the first thread on his fall from grace because they didn't think it appropriate since the threads are surely being reviewed even now by the police.

After a whole pile of soporific ta ta's, I think more than a few guys couldn't understand why there was no real horrified reaction to the actual events that led to this train wreck....and more than a few couldn't believe the credulous response of some of the well wishers.

Frankly, everyone is entitled to an opinion on this, ranging from full fledged support for JLY and his possession of child porn right through to unslaked rage over it.

Most of us have, in fact said that we hope that JLY receives the psychiatric help he needs to work his way through this and emerge a sounder, emotionally healthy and contrite person. Seeing justice done, or wanting to see it done is not kicking someone when they're down. If it turns out that her maj believes he's guiltless and he's off scot free, then it will be only him and his own conscience to worry about. If, on the other hand Bett Battenburg's justiciars decide that what he's done is a clear violation of the statutes of the land and an affront to the decency of the western world, then he's got some 'me' time with himself and a whole bunch of randy cons.

JLY has provided the framework of the events himself. On a public board. Some have been a little wary about the veracity. Why not? So will the crown. Others have posted what almost serves as an apologia for child porn posession and have left a number of others, including me just reeling from the incredible lack of understanding of the real issues at hand here.

The entire course of events should also be a wake-up call to others who have a fixation with sexualizing children. They should seek help now. If JLY's experience even gets one person to be scared shitless and get counselling, it will probably be the most valuable thread ever posted by a member.

 

[unclaimedblessing]

We tend to get inflamed when the subjects of kiddie porn, pedophilia and child molestation surface and rightly so.
Sometimes, however, details are murky, distorted or exaggerated.
In the USA a few years back an entire family was indicted and tried in the legal court and pretty much convicted in the court of public opinion. It was parents, a grandparent and adult children accused of child molestation. They were ultmately found innocent, but irreparable damage had been done to them.
These offenses are so repugnant, we frequently tend to jump the gun. That's where extenuating circumstances come into play.
I don't know Joe personally. We have Pmed each other, sometimes in agreemet with each others posts, but just as often at each others throats.
The only facts we know are those that Joe readily admitted to us, he didn't have to tell us anything. He came accross as remorseful and repentant and fully realized that in the eyes of the law he did fuck up.
While surfacing the internet, I've come accross sites that seemed to be boy porno and I exited asap. Not only so I abhor kiddie porn but I don't want any record of me entering one of those sites, albeit by error and only for for split seconds.
Joe knows and regrets his mistakes and will undoubtedly pay for them.
What ever happened to forgiveness?

 

[nitish]

I'm not taking sides here, nor am I agreeing with any particular action.

The one thing I want to say is... this has been going on for ages.

How come you all waited until he was in no position to answer questions, refute falsehoods and otherwise defend himself, before you all started on the outrage?

I should point out that I knew exactly what was going on. This is because it's been going on for quite a while, and many threads have been posted. You have waited until what looks to be the last one for the near future, and one which he'll be entirely unable to respond to in any specific sense.

I haven't seen this thread till i first posted in it. And what does he have to defend against? We're outraged by things HE SAID. Not things we made up. I am outraged not because of what he did, but how people wished that he would get away with it..

My god, reading his journal, i have to say, there are a lot of dumb people on JUB. He had two HIV scares, drunk driving, and now this kid porn shit. This person does not need pity, he needs serious help. And you people who're throwing him a pity party need a life.

 

[Ninja108]

I still can't believe people are defending this. Saying it's been going on for centuries and it was already in existance...these kids have been victimized once and are victimized again everytime that gets passed around. No sympathy, none and I can't believe there are people defending it. My sympathy is for the children, nobody else

 

[star-warrior]

I wonder if this thread has run it's course yet? The OP has already said he won't be posting anymore about it, and the rest is speculation and chatter. Lets move on.

 

[gabriel1]

I wonder if this thread has run it's course yet? The OP has already said he won't be posting anymore about it, and the rest is speculation and chatter. Lets move on.

I agree - this thread has run its course and personally if I could I would close it.

 

[frankfrank]

or even those who may possess it entirely in error.

Sigh. Let us review one more time.

JLY in this case actually showed it to someone else.

My quote (the first one) wasn't referring to JLY, but to people who may have kidporn and not even know they have it. If somebody happens to "look 26" while actually being 16 or 17, and somebody has their picture, they possess kidporn.

Somebody may have a porn magazine of questionable origin and - with one exception - all the pictures may be of "legal" models. If there is just ONE underage picture in there, that person is considered guilty of having kidporn.

Back in the late 70s a guy gave me his entire collection of porn. Later on, while going through it, I found that one of the magazines apparently had underage pictures in it. I diligently searched all of my porn for such images once I moved to a state which (at the time) had a 15-year prison sentence for ANY kind of possession of such material, and I took the controversial magazine and threw it away, along with a couple others which were questionable. (I don't even have the other porn anymore, after having it for years and never looking at more than a tiny bit, it was time to pass that on as well.)

Though I can't quote the stories or sources, I've heard stories of aunts, parents, foster parents, etc. being sent to prison because they DARED to keep a "cute" naked photo of a 7-year-old relative in the family album.

JLY definitely didn't make a smart choice, but that quote didn't refer to JLY, because once he knew what it was, his possession of it was no longer accidental. Imprisoning people for examples like the above is indeed using a very blunt instrument to bludgeon entire lives which. This is one of the contributing reasons for the U.S. having the highest incarceration rate of (as I understand) ANY country on earth, and all these people are going to get out someday. People who are sent to prison come out REALLY knowing how to be predators in many ways.

I have never supported the "underage" industry in any way and never will, but it is distributed enough so that people very possibly will end up with some by accident.

 

[frankfrank]

Can't edit more than 20 minutes after, I was going to add a small comment about the U.S. incarceration rate. The largest contributor to that population is not pornography or even any kind of sex-related crime, but illegal drugs.