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Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chasing?

Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

And just to add.

I think I'm a masculine guy by the definition. My life revolves around sports, watching and playing. I watch hockey and soccer like its a religion. I played both with clubs. I currently coach soccer. And I can easily say, there would be nothing more unattractive then a guy doing that.

I absolutely love the guys that say "its really cool you coach soccer or whatever, but someone who went out of their way to try to prove to me they were masculine...thats just loser like IMO.

A big part of being masculine is just being who you are. Masculinity is not something you have to prove, its very personal. It is how that other person views you, no matter what you say.
 
Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

Just checked your home page
Disappointed that you haven't out up some pics.
Manly ones are welcome at JUB
 
Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

I fail at this manliness programming stuff. I take pride in the things I take pride in, but those tend to be completely separate from the whole gender role thing.

I never find myself engaging in the 'alpha male' stuff. If I find myself surrounded my high levels of alpha-male-isms or testosterone, my tendency is to either roll my eyes, or just ignore it... and otherwise just to not engage in the group behavior.

I don't feel threatened by the competition (actually, usually just the opposite, I'll feel better for genuinely not caring... leave the boys to their silly games of establishing a pecking order or whatever,) I just think it's all kind of silly and have never really understood it, and thus, I can't really say that I've ever taken part. Usually the farthest I'll go is a sort of passive curiosity. I'll watch the male competitive stuff, but only feel like an observer, and thus no matter what, I'll feel wholly seperate from it. Best case scenario, I find the behavior kind of intruiging and wish to observe. Worst case scenario, I find it all terribly lame and almost laughable.

It's actually sometimes made me think that I was born the wrong gender, because this sort of typical male behavior is really not something I identify with. Not that I'm uncompetitive, I can be quite competitive, but if the question is 'who is more manly?' I really just cannot care... though arguably, that may be because I don't even consider myself a contestant in the first place...! It's not like I'm femme, I just have a pretty good idea of where I stand in terms of masculinity.

For example, I think I'm fairly smart compared to most others in my age group. So, introduce me to someone that's younger and visibly smarter than I am, and my ego will feel somewhat threatened. It still involves a sort of anxiety due to identity issues, but for me it seems almost entirely separate from gender.

Personally, I actually like being kind of 'unmanly.' I just think it suits me more, so I end up taking some level of pride in it. The whole 'cute, sweet, thoughtful, and naive' thing is just way more my style than is the whole masculine hardass thing. I can do both, one just feels much more natural and 'becoming' of me.

And my life experience so far has proved this to me. Usually when people come to like me, it has something to do with this 'delicate and sensitive inner emotional core' thing.... lots of guys seem to like that sort of thing, and would quite willingly devour me whole, if I gave them the chance.

So I don't really get how I should be 'masculine' in order to get guys to like me. Often guys seem to like me because I'm not like ordinary guys. Likewise, often I take pride in the person that I am for similar reasons. An interesting mix of both masculine and feminine character traits seems to be something of a rarity.

I just don't see what's wrong with not acting typically like your gender. For me it can actually be a considerable source of pride...

I see how other men can be imprisoned by notions of masculinity and what it means to be a man... and I just kind of shake my head and thank myself that that will never, ever be a problem for me. I understand why it can be a problem for some people, but it's all just a matter of tossing aside our over-simplifications and expectations on what life ought to be like.

For me I guess this conclusion came more naturally, because I have a pretty androgynous gender identity... so it never really was a question of how I stacked up in comparison to other males. I was always out of the riding by default, and I actually tend to prefer it that way!...
 
Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

"everytime i am around a guy, EVERYTIME". He says " I go OUT of my WAY to bring up how I am more masculine." Clearly, its way too often on his mind.

The full quote is "Every time I'm around a guy I'm attracted to, I usually find myself comparing my manliness to his." I don't want to be a douche here, but I guess just please don't quote me out of context? Thx. And good to hear all these responses. Keep 'em coming?
 
Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

"Masculinity" for a man is a lot like "soul" for a black man (or for the blackness in any sort of man). You have to discover your own unique flavor and win favor with YOUR style. You are overthinking this. Relax and let it flow, naturally. You can't force it and you can't compete with someone else.
 
Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

I hate the guy who said "you should go see a therapist"

how annoying. I like your honesty.

I pretty much see a lot of people this way...if you're more feminine then just deal with it...yes a lot of masculine guys look for other masculine guys.

Me I am very masculine on the inside but come off as more feminine than i actually am. I think a lot of the masculine guys are the same way... stay open and go for personality
 
Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

haha, hate is a very strong word. But thanks for the vote of confidence?

I like your honesty.

thank you kindly

If we continue with this honesty thing, I think my biggest insecurity with my masculinity is my body. I'm like, the 97-pound weakling... it's bugged me basically my whole life. I've tried half-heartedly to work out but I never really expected to get much out of it and I never did. One of the biggest things that I'll notice on a guy is physique... like I'll probably find him really attractive if he's well-built/toned. And again, I wonder if this is me just seeing something that I want for myself and mistakenly thinking I'm attracted to the guy. Make sense?
 
Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

But since this seems to be an obstacle to you finding a normal relationship with a guy, it is something to consider seeing a therapist about.

I'm not disagreeing with KarraBulut (if an issue is interfering with your ability to get closer to someone or develop an intimate relationship, you should seek some form of counseling ).

However, I had a passive conversation with a psychiatrist once about this topic. He said that men have a code embedded into our genetics that affects how we behave when we see a male stranger. The first thought that subconsciously runs through our minds is, "can I kill this man?" With some people, that voice is a bit louder than with others.
 
Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

You are clearly overthinking things methinks. Also, that psychiatrist... sounds like he's full of shit. Why is the first answer to social problems 'see a therapist?'
 
Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

If we continue with this honesty thing, I think my biggest insecurity with my masculinity is my body. I'm like, the 97-pound weakling... it's bugged me basically my whole life. I've tried half-heartedly to work out but I never really expected to get much out of it and I never did. One of the biggest things that I'll notice on a guy is physique... like I'll probably find him really attractive if he's well-built/toned. And again, I wonder if this is me just seeing something that I want for myself and mistakenly thinking I'm attracted to the guy. Make sense?

Sounds like all of this hyperthinking is out of self confidence issues. JMO. And reading through all the posts I didn't see, are you gay or bi or just wondering about yourself. Maybe I missed it somewhere.



However, I had a passive conversation with a psychiatrist once about this topic. He said that men have a code embedded into our genetics that affects how we behave when we see a male stranger. The first thought that subconsciously runs through our minds is, "can I kill this man?" With some people, that voice is a bit louder than with others.

I do hope you do not see this ass on a patient therapist level. He needs help himself with a statement like that...
 
Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

I like to call your condition ''Little Boy Syndrome'' :badgrin:

I can drive a car, you can't! I have more muscles! I am more of a man! these are things little boys display but where do they learn it? I think from thier fathers and also community.

You do feel bad about comparing your masculinity with that of another man lol because you were conditioned to think that anything feminine is below you which also translates into not being masculine and that probably left a scarred mentality inside of you.

Everyone has both femininie and masculine characteristics .. and that is perfectly natural so these two things should always be kept in balance ;)

Oh and are you so afraid that you are just not masculine enough? Ask yourself why you really feel that way and maybe date a feminine guy and see if your energy is balanced out abit - just to try it out :-)

So be more open-minded and get rid of those dominating thoughts you have.
 
Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

>>>If we continue with this honesty thing, I think my biggest insecurity with my masculinity is my body. I'm like, the 97-pound weakling... it's bugged me basically my whole life. I've tried half-heartedly to work out but I never really expected to get much out of it and I never did. One of the biggest things that I'll notice on a guy is physique... like I'll probably find him really attractive if he's well-built/toned. And again, I wonder if this is me just seeing something that I want for myself and mistakenly thinking I'm attracted to the guy. Make sense?

Sure. But don't overthink things. I like vanilla ice cream more than chocolate. Why is that? Is it because vanilla is closer in color and flavor to mother's milk, indicating that I desire a return to the womb experience? Or because it's closer to ejaculate, meaning I want to express my homosexuality more? Or because internally, I identify chocolate with defectaion, and have issues involving that?

Know what? I don't care in the slightest. I just order vanilla. Maybe you should just order vanilla, too. :)

Lex
 
Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

I'm not disagreeing with KarraBulut (if an issue is interfering with your ability to get closer to someone or develop an intimate relationship, you should seek some form of counseling ).

However, I had a passive conversation with a psychiatrist once about this topic. He said that men have a code embedded into our genetics that affects how we behave when we see a male stranger. The first thought that subconsciously runs through our minds is, "can I kill this man?" With some people, that voice is a bit louder than with others.

slnattak said:
Also, that psychiatrist... sounds like he's full of shit. Why is the first answer to social problems 'see a therapist?'

You're on target but there's a distinction that I'm making that makes the situation a bit different.

The "quien es mas macho?" game is normal. Guys compare themselves to others all the time. Straight guys always notice guys that are better built and they always know who has the biggest dick in the locker room.

The difference in this case is that this is tied up in questioning his sexuality. The OP can't distinguish whether he's attracted sexually to guys who are masculine or whether he's just insecure and obsessed with comparing himself to other guys.

Until that confusion is resolved, he'll be in limbo and uncertain whether he is turned-on/attracted to masculinity or whether he's insecure of his own masculinity.

A therapist can help with the process of working through that issue. A psychotherapist doesn't necessarily need to be a psychiatrist.
 
Re: Guys/"""Manliness"""... which am I really chas

Hokay, kind of a deep post but...

I find guys appealing to look at and I always assumed I was attracted to them, but this kind of makes me wonder whether I'm just attracted to the idea of manliness. Sometimes I feel like if I were jacked and impossibly well-endowed I'd be chasing women all the time... but I think that what I'd find hottest about that would be them being turned on by my masculinty. [Maybe I'm just a narcissist?]
[Maybe I'm JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE...]
There are some psychiatrists that propose many homosexuals were "wounded" and have failed to fully develop their own self sustaining masculine identity and so they pursue masculine love to fill the void and to gain the masculine strength they themselves do not possess. The theory then goes on to state that homosexuals search is in vain and they will never be satisfied by oustide masculine love and they will have trouble mainting long term relationships."
---this is merely a theory and an unproven one at that.
I've thought about this and have over the years been trying to accept that I'm at least bisexual and possibly 100%gay. What I never get about these folks that think homosexuality can be altered or it is a symptom of a deeper wound is how they expect homosexuals to become attracted to women? I never get that feeling when I kiss or sleep with girls. Its not there and I don't think you could ever cause it to occur. Why have for the last couple weeks have I been thinking about this guy I met non stop? Who knows? I don't know why and I doubt a qualitfied therapist could ever come up with a good specific reason other than I'm gay. Stay away from Freud though, he kind of pushed the idea that you can't evolve and your personality is developed by childhood. fuck that.
 
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