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Hacked Emails Show Climate Science Ridden with Rancor

Finally exposed . . .

The Biggest Hoax of the Last 100 Years!

The arrogance that man could change the climate is incredible. Weather and climate goes through cycles -- always has -- always will. Does anyone remember how the esteemed scientists told the world that the the climate would be forever damaged if the oil fields of Kuwait were set on fire? Nothing happened.

"Cooking the books" and being PC happens way too much anymore -- let's get back to basics.

You're all invited to my New Year's Eve Party . . . . I'm grilling polar bear.
 
Finally exposed . . .

The Biggest Hoax of the Last 100 Years!

The arrogance that man could change the climate is incredible. Weather and climate goes through cycles -- always has -- always will. Does anyone remember how the esteemed scientists told the world that the the climate would be forever damaged if the oil fields of Kuwait were set on fire? Nothing happened.

"Cooking the books" and being PC happens way too much anymore -- let's get back to basics.

You're all invited to my New Year's Eve Party . . . . I'm grilling polar bear.

Humans have been changing the climate for millennia. The classic example is the Romans turning the north coast of Africa into desert, which altered weather patterns -- i.e. climate -- around the world.

But another example is cities, especially modern cities. Pavement and buildings both soak up more heat than do vegetated areas, which alters wind and rainfall patterns; it also raises the average temperature, because the absorbed radiation goes back out as heat, instead of being used in chemical processes (e.g. photosynthesis).

All you need is basic arithmetic to know that humans have paved and developed enough area to be raising the global temperature by that means alone.

To look at the planet and see that a significant percentage has been turned from energy-using to energy-absorbing/heat-radiating areas a person would have to be a fool to think that we aren't altering the climate.

Then there are our toys which use energy. Every source of energy we use involves heat: electrical generation yields heat, and electrical use yields heat. Internal combustion engines produce heat. Fireplaces produce heat. All of this is heat that wouldn't be here without us, and it is a great deal of heat indeed -- enough to introduce its own amount of global warming.

See, you don't have to agree with the greenhouse gas bit to know that people are producing enough heat to change the planet!


I don't recall any scientists saying anything of the sort about Kuwait's oil fields. They said "might", "could", and "our models show", and talked a lot about how much we don't really know about how that kid of aerosol behaves in the atmosphere.

Looking at that and saying "nothing happened" is kind of like a kid arguing that it's okay to start a fire on the bedroom floor because when they lit one in the bath tub "nothing happened".


BTW, don't bring up that idiocy about the earth always going through cycles: yes, it does, and in the few hundred million years of atmospheric and temperature history we can measure, there has never been anything like this: temperatures have never risen this sharply, CO2 levels have never risen so sharply or been anywhere near this high, average particulate levels have never been so high -- and the only factor which correlates well with any or all of those is human activity.

If you've ever played Mastermind, you know how to make the pieces of that fit. If you've ever played Clue, you have enough experience to look at the facts and say, "The humans, all over, with their civilization".
 
Humans have been changing the climate for millennia. The classic example is the Romans turning the north coast of Africa into desert, which altered weather patterns -- i.e. climate -- around the world.

But another example is cities, especially modern cities. Pavement and buildings both soak up more heat than do vegetated areas, which alters wind and rainfall patterns; it also raises the average temperature, because the absorbed radiation goes back out as heat, instead of being used in chemical processes (e.g. photosynthesis).

All you need is basic arithmetic to know that humans have paved and developed enough area to be raising the global temperature by that means alone.

To look at the planet and see that a significant percentage has been turned from energy-using to energy-absorbing/heat-radiating areas a person would have to be a fool to think that we aren't altering the climate.

Then there are our toys which use energy. Every source of energy we use involves heat: electrical generation yields heat, and electrical use yields heat. Internal combustion engines produce heat. Fireplaces produce heat. All of this is heat that wouldn't be here without us, and it is a great deal of heat indeed -- enough to introduce its own amount of global warming.

See, you don't have to agree with the greenhouse gas bit to know that people are producing enough heat to change the planet!


I don't recall any scientists saying anything of the sort about Kuwait's oil fields. They said "might", "could", and "our models show", and talked a lot about how much we don't really know about how that kid of aerosol behaves in the atmosphere.

Looking at that and saying "nothing happened" is kind of like a kid arguing that it's okay to start a fire on the bedroom floor because when they lit one in the bath tub "nothing happened".


BTW, don't bring up that idiocy about the earth always going through cycles: yes, it does, and in the few hundred million years of atmospheric and temperature history we can measure, there has never been anything like this: temperatures have never risen this sharply, CO2 levels have never risen so sharply or been anywhere near this high, average particulate levels have never been so high -- and the only factor which correlates well with any or all of those is human activity.

If you've ever played Mastermind, you know how to make the pieces of that fit. If you've ever played Clue, you have enough experience to look at the facts and say, "The humans, all over, with their civilization".


.... but you are still coming to my polar bear BBQ?
 
Weather Channel Founder And 30,000 Other Scientists Wanting To Sue Al Gore For Global Warming Fraud

The point is this: Al Gore received data from 3 main sources including from the CRU University of East Anglia which admitted in the leaked data (HERE OR HERE, email named 0942777075) that they used a "trick" to "hide the decline" of the temperature from 1961 up until now. Here is that email in full:


From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
To: ray bradley <rbradley@geo.umass.edu>,mann@virginia.edu, mhughes@ltrr.arizona.edu
Subject: Diagram for WMO Statement
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:31:15 +0000
Cc: k.briffa@uea.ac.uk,t.osborn@uea.ac.uk


Dear Ray, Mike and Malcolm,
Once Tim's got a diagram here we'll send that either later today or
first thing tomorrow.
I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps
to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from
1961 for Keith's to hide the decline.
Mike's series got the annual
land and marine values while the other two got April-Sept for NH land
N of 20N. The latter two are real for 1999, while the estimate for 1999
for NH combined is +0.44C wrt 61-90. The Global estimate for 1999 with
data through Oct is +0.35C cf. 0.57 for 1998.
Thanks for the comments, Ray.

Cheers
Phil



Prof. Phil Jones
Climatic Research Unit Telephone +44 (0) 1603 592090
School of Environmental Sciences Fax +44 (0) 1603 507784
University of East Anglia
Norwich Email p.jones@uea.ac.uk
NR4 7TJ
UK

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All the while, the University’s Pro-Vice-Chancellor, Research Enterprise and Engagement Professor Trevor Davies (for CRU) said this from THIS page:

“It is well known within the scientific community and particularly those who are sceptical of climate change that over 95% of the raw station data has been accessible through the Global Historical Climatology Network for several years. We are quite clearly not hiding information which seems to be the speculation on some blogs and by some media commentators,” commented the University’s Pro-Vice-Chancellor, Research Enterprise and Engagement Professor Trevor Davies.

Clearly NOT hiding any data is exactly what I think is going on. Phil Jones who WAS the Director of the Climatic Research Unit for the University of East Anglia up until recently was the person who admitted to hiding the decline of warming on earth. Professor Trevor Davies (Pro-Vice Chancellor for Research and Knowledge Transfer - For CRU) said that they are not hiding any information even though they say they have released 95% of all of their data...this implies a 5% amount of hidden or non disclosed data correct? Small lies can make large problems.

If your in charge of presenting information and you one day decided to do something that would benefit you yet it would hurt many, how do you get people to accept it? Get as many as you can to join in on this scheme and throw butt loads of cash at them, create falsified data with a scientific implication and then throw it at the people who sit in front of their TV who wont understand more than half of whats being said. So, all of the politically involved people who run across this see that it means that they can make a profit from this by first supporting it which will lead to a global carbon tax which will ensure that everyone who supports this will get rich, filthy rich.

In order to make this a global tax, it must be a global law which would do a couple different things. In order to make a global law, there has to be something to make it globally enforcing and once there is a foundation to place this global tax on, it paves the way for yet MORE global rules and laws. Know this please; making global rules and laws enforce the eradicating of local rules and laws (individual laws inside of the country you live in) and pave the way for a global government. Will the world be placed into a truly good government? Not if these crooks who organized this massive scam bring it forth. You can see what they did in this scam. What will happen when they implement MORE rules and laws and taxes globally? If global rules and laws are enforced by corrupt people we get a corrupt government. Period.
 
I really like the one about the Second Law of Thermodynamics: http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/09/greenhouse-violates-thermodynamics.php


BTW, Ambrocious, we've been over that email elsewhere, and it doesn't say what you're trying to make it say.

So what is it saying if he is not saying they are hiding the decline? Is he speaking in riddle? Let's all assume scientists speak in riddles and that when he said we will hide the decline he was speaking about the length of which his sexual vitality lasts.

Kidding aside, do you care to explain what he meant when Phil Jones said this?
 
From reading what I've been able to, the "decline" they're talking about is an artefact of a data-handling algorithm, and the "trick" is a way to correct the artefact. What they're "hiding" isn't anything other than something which occurs when a data-smoothing algorithm looks at a number of time units in each direction: when it looks into the future, it gets zeros, which cause a "decline" because they drag down the average.
 
scientists bend numbers .. they are not mathematicians .. nothing new here.
same as alex jones bends "proof" and "reality" ;)
 
scientists bend numbers .. they are not mathematicians .. nothing new here.
same as alex jones bends "proof" and "reality" ;)

They may not be mathematicians, but they have mathematicians, as well as computer programmings specialists, who work for them. My older brother earned a bundle once as dual consultant, both mathematician and computer programmer, for a group of earth scientists who needed numbers crunched.

The mathematician, on this issue, would say, "Well of course there's a decline in the end of the graph, you morons, because a set of zeroes reduces your average". Climate scientists are a bit... slower. :rolleyes:
 
scientists bend numbers .. they are not mathematicians .. nothing new here.
same as alex jones bends "proof" and "reality" ;)

Um EXCUSE ME?

You have no idea how much math we know and use. Again I'll use myself as an example, as a geophysicist. I know JUST as much math as a mathematician, I just apply it in practical ways, while mathematicians work out proofs and solve for the general solution.

Any physicist, astrophysicist, geophysicist, or cosmologist (large scale astrophysics), particle physicist, meteorologist (the ones that make the computer models for weather), and a few more types of scientists all know tons of math. I'm talking high level math like partial differential equations, tensor calculus, topology, and finite element methods for modeling, plus linear algebra and a few more types.
 
UM EXCUSE ME? i didn't say that scientists do NOT use math.
please ...

i did say they bend numbers.

if you measure stuff and plot a straight line out of it.
you usually have anything but a straight line if you would use the absolute measures. sometimes you also might have some points that are way out of the line.
a mathematician would not accept this. anybody "practically" working and using math "practically" would use it.
so if you straight line is bumpy, what do you do?
you use some kind of "trick". for example you apply some algorithm to "smoothe" the line.

again .. i did NOT say that you don't or can't use math :roll:
 
UM EXCUSE ME? i didn't say that scientists do NOT use math.
please ...

i did say they bend numbers.

if you measure stuff and plot a straight line out of it.
you usually have anything but a straight line if you would use the absolute measures. sometimes you also might have some points that are way out of the line.
a mathematician would not accept this. anybody "practically" working and using math "practically" would use it.
so if you straight line is bumpy, what do you do?
you use some kind of "trick". for example you apply some algorithm to "smoothe" the line.

again .. i did NOT say that you don't or can't use math :roll:

Yeah we sometimes edit stuff because data collection in the real world isn't perfect. For example, you can get GPS 'zingers' that are far away from the line you were profiling with an instrument. Those have to be deleted or smoothed over. Or the instrument is only accurate to within ± some value. Things like that should be stated clearly in the report. Math on its own is perfect, but unfortunately (or fortunately, or else scientists wouldn't exist) the real world isn't.

It's very easy for a scientist to present the results in a misleading way. That doesn't mean it's incorrect, just that it causes the reader to lean towards a certain conclusion.

Here's a really good example of misleading someone without presenting incorrect data:

Suppose an oil and gas well spilled contamination (salts) all over a farmer's field (happens all the time). I go and do a ground conductivity survey with an EM-31 (it's a type of instrument you can buy from Geonics). It tells me what the apparent conductivity of the ground is in that location that I'm at (it records 10 times per second).

Now I get back to the office, contour the results to make a 2-D map on an airphoto showing the areas of higher conductivity like so.

bookrg.gif



Notice how 100mS/m is pink? What if I cut the scale off at 50mS/m, and made that pink? That would look like most of the area was bad, especially if I removed the numbers from the scale.

I see what you're getting at, scientists have a moral/academic obligation to present the data in a way that's avoids being misleading.
 
From reading what I've been able to, the "decline" they're talking about is an artefact of a data-handling algorithm, and the "trick" is a way to correct the artefact. What they're "hiding" isn't anything other than something which occurs when a data-smoothing algorithm looks at a number of time units in each direction: when it looks into the future, it gets zeros, which cause a "decline" because they drag down the average.

OK, seeing this, you haven't reflected on the "hide" part and why would it be good to "hide" data and release cooked data?
 
From reading what I've been able to, the "decline" they're talking about is an artefact of a data-handling algorithm, and the "trick" is a way to correct the artefact. What they're "hiding" isn't anything other than something which occurs when a data-smoothing algorithm looks at a number of time units in each direction: when it looks into the future, it gets zeros, which cause a "decline" because they drag down the average.

They could easily use NaN instead of zero, and just have the algorithm spit out NaNs every time it uses one in a calculation.
 
OK, seeing this, you haven't reflected on the "hide" part and why would it be good to "hide" data and release cooked data?

They're not hiding the data. You can go access the data yourself (They said 95% was available easily, you might have to look elsewhere for the rest). Their job is to give you processed data, not raw data. Anyone can go collect and/or access raw data. It's the job of scientists to process and interpret the data into something people can USE.

Are you saying you want to process and interpret the data all on your own?
 
I'm saying that they hid the decline of temperature from 1961 onwards and replaced it with data to their choosing. Even still, the temperature rises AND THEN the CO2 rises, not the other way around as the eco prophet Al Gore states.
 
OK, seeing this, you haven't reflected on the "hide" part and why would it be good to "hide" data and release cooked data?

I addressed the "hide" part: what they're hiding is the product of a computer algorithm for smoothing data over a time period. Data smoothing is not "cooking", it's a standard method for ascertaining trends and rates of change. If you're looking at a graph with daily temperatures, even that is a compilation and averaging of temperatures from hundreds or thousands of locations. No human is capable of grasping all that, so they average. Smoothing is another way of averaging in order to aid humans in being able to tell at a glance what's going on.

We used the same procedure when I was in glaciology and volcanology. They use it in various industries, in aeronautics, even in running an airline.


So unless you've got other emails that say "we have to hide this actual data from the public", I've considered these things already.



BTW, to a scientist, "trick" in that context means "a nifty way to correct the problem".
 
I'm saying that they hid the decline of temperature from 1961 onwards and replaced it with data to their choosing. Even still, the temperature rises AND THEN the CO2 rises, not the other way around as the eco prophet Al Gore states.

Rubbish.

Increased temperature will in general result in reduced levels of CO2. With higher temperatures, the metabolic pathways in chorophyllated plants speed up; the result is an increased rate of intake of CO2 and a resulting increased output of oxygen. Thus the result of global warming will, when only the plant pathway is considered, result in actually lower levels of CO2, not increased ones.

And before you claim it's "just theory", this has been demonstrated in the lab, and in the field.

This is one of the checks on global warming: increased CO2 yields greater plant growth, which absorbs the CO2, storing carbon; that's a self-reinforcing cycle up to where a plant reaches its maximum size, as well as on a microbial level where unicellular plants reproduce more quickly under higher temperatures and with more CO2. It also serves to absorb a tiny, tiny fraction of insolation, bending it to drive chemical processes and thus storing the energy (this is not really significant, but to be thorough, I included it).

OTOH, when an increase in plant metabolisms results in the spread of jungle and forest, or even grassland, in place of arid regions or desert, the earth's albedo is reduced and less solar radiation gets reflected upwards. That means that more heat remains here (OTOOH, the ground gets shaded, and....).

Anyway: that increased levels of CO2 result in and directly cause higher retention of heat is an established fact; it has been done in the lab, as well as in the field.

These are not disputable; they are facts observed repeatedly, some of which can be duplicated by university sophomores (like me, when I was one) with just basic equipment.

So, in general, Al Gore is correct.

OTOH, you also have a point: there are processes whereby heat brings increased levels of CO2. In the field of geology, it is known that many types of rock weather faster under increased temperatures, which releases trapped gasses. Depending on when the rocks were formed and under what conditions, this can yield a higher CO2 concentration than is found in the atmosphere in general. Also in the field of geology, it's been found that there are lakes which have vast amounts of CO2 (and methane) trapped in ancient bottom layers, which begin to be re-absorbed by the lake with warming, and thus released into the atmosphere. In some cases this release can occur catastrophically; there are places where animals died in vast numbers because the sudden release of literally thousands of tons of CO2 left them with no normal atmosphere to breathe, and thus no oxygen -- they suffocated. In botany, there are some organisms -- not in the plant kingdom, technically -- which also release more CO2 when the temperature rises.

I'm sure there are also others, but those make the point: there are indeed processes which drive the cycle the way you say.

And yet these processes are minuscule compared to those going the other direction. Further, they feed the warming process because the CO2 they generate adds to the atmospheric percentage, which traps more heat.


Now: plainly, it isn't possible to put a dome over an entire bioregion, to demonstrate this on a large scale. Domes a kilometer across have been proposed (not just to study this, BTW), but they remain on the wish list, not in the cart, so to speak. On a smaller scale, though, areas of an acre have frequently been enclosed (except for the soil), and the CO2 --> warming process demonstrated. The process has also been demonstrated in open areas, where the average temperature is noted.

But every piece of the process has been demonstrated in the lab, so there is no doubt: CO2 increase yields temperature increase, and in those processes where the reverse happens to be true, it only feeds the greater cycle.

Finally, when one looks at global average temperatures and the CO2 level, the temperature level follows the CO2 increase, not the other way around. Sure, due to the chaotic (in the mathematical sense) nature of these cycles, it's possible to find years where the reverse appears to be true, but they are hardly representative.
 
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