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Haley Barbour's controversial pardons

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Republican Haley Barbour is out the door. But before he left, he pardoned almost 200 criminals, including convicted murders.

Many people are up in arms over this. He apparently gave criminals who worked at the Governor's mansion pardons, even some murderers. Joseph Ozment, who confessed to murdering Ricky Montomery in 1992, was pardoned. The family of the victim isn't happy.

Wealthy Jackson socialite Karen Irby killed two people in a 2009 car crash when she was drunk. Barbour changed her 18-year manslaughter sentence to house arrest.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-01-12/mississippi-barbour-pardons/52511486/1

What the Hell is wrong with Barbour? Doing favors for him and being wealthy puts you above the law?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-barbour-pardons-20120113,0,1151044.story

In his case, thank God for term limits. A judge is blocking some of his pardons.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest...dge-blocks-Haley-Barbour-pardon-of-21-inmates

Barbour is not commenting on his pardons at his swank new law firm.
 
Well that went well, didn't it?
 
Barbour did make a comment.

In a statement Wednesday, Barbour said people misunderstood his motives.

"The pardons were intended to allow them to find gainful employment or acquire professional licenses as well as hunt and vote," he said. "My decision about clemency was based upon the recommendation of the parole board in more than 90% of the cases."

Barbour said the people were "not threats to society, but if any of them commits an offense — even a misdemeanor — they'll be returned to custody to serve out their term."

Of the 215 people Barbour pardoned, 26 were still incarcerated. The other 189 had already completed their sentences.
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What a horrible horrible thing... allowing people to go hunting in Mississippi.
 
Yeah 'cause stopping convicted murderers from legally purchasing firearms is such a horrible idea.
 
You dont believe in people having served their time? Shame. I thought the left was all for rehabilitation.
 
LOL and here I thought the right was all for taking the consequences for one's actions. Like if you murder people, you lose the right to own firearms. Obviously you don't believe in personal responsibility.

See, I can put words in your mouth too.

You can pretend to yourself the product of your own mind is what I said all you want - since you seem to have some need for that kind of thing. Doesn't mean you didn't run away from the point because you have no way to respond to it. Actually, that's precisely what that means.
 
I get what you are saying but every executive pardons people at the end of their terms... every executive.

What is the point of trying to defame the guy now? He is going to go work in the real power in our government... lobbyist. He wont come back to the facade to be picked apart and voted for or against again...

That and if anything is obvious around here then the fact that I don't hold unilateral republican or democratic views should be. Many on here SAY they don't hold party only views but then only complain about one thing. Republicans. That is what is sad...parroting news from other sources against one party and calling it thought.
 
Let's be honest. You brought up the partisan crap, you attempted to imply that negative reactions were silly and somehow about denying trivial crap like hunting. You ignored the point which was that those pardons will allow convicted murderers to purchase guns - by trying to make it about hunting.

You are attempting to dismiss legitimate concerns by saying it no longer matters and hey, everyone does it, which ceased to be a defense somewhere in the fifth grade last time I checked.

So you don't think it's a big deal, you apparently think opposition is somehow politically personal. I don't know the politics of the victims families who are outraged by this. They didn't mention that, not once.

And somehow I didn't get the impression they find this trivial at all.
 
Well no usually the specific other side of a pardoned criminal doesn't find it worth while.

But you are correct. I dont agree that pardons should exist?? I dont think people deserve second chances? And I really think they should allow the whole process?? Oh and it is completely Partisan because there isnt a article or two of complaint with every politician who pardons people as they leave office??

The majority of these people served their time. SO they are on the streets already. Do you really think if a convict has a desire to use a weapon in a criminal endeavor that they will be held up by the law? Really?

That and it is a democratic platform to pursue voting rights for convicted felons.

So neither reason is remotely legitimate. it is simply another piece where the focal point is republican so post it and cry. If the people of Mississippi want to revoke the gubernatorial right to pardon then they can do so.
 
JayHawk said:
Well no usually the specific other side of a pardoned criminal doesn't find it worth while.

But you are correct. I dont agree that pardons should exist?? I dont think people deserve second chances? And I really think they should allow the whole process?? Oh and it is completely Partisan because there isnt a article or two of complaint with every politician who pardons people as they leave office??

The majority of these people served their time. SO they are on the streets already. Do you really think if a convict has a desire to use a weapon in a criminal endeavor that they will be held up by the law? Really?

That and it is a democratic platform to pursue voting rights for convicted felons.

So neither reason is remotely legitimate. it is simply another piece where the focal point is republican so post it and cry. If the people of Mississippi want to revoke the gubernatorial right to pardon then they can do so.
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Most of that is just blah blah blah since it's you extrapolating to ridiculous extremes then arguing with yourself, and still trying to shoehorn in partisan crap, but I was I admit waiting for the:

"...but but but they'll get guns ANYWAY!!!..." argument.

Great, why have any laws at all, since criminals will never obey them?

If you don't see the utter inanity of that argument, I can't help you.
 
I agree with Jayhawk here...

At least there IS a person to allow pardons (ie the gov)...

With mandatory minimum sentencing, inaccessibility to QUICK appeals, etc, etc...

Too bad ALL governors and presidents are TOO WIMPY and wait until the LAST day before they issue them... :(
 
The argument simply isn't about the pardon, it's about the egregious abuse of the pardon in this instance. I have yet to see anyone anywhere demand an elimination of the pardon.

Jayhawk seems to want to talk about the pardon because he doesn't want to talk about what was done with it, apparently because of some partisan crap in his head. At least that's my guess.
 
No you just dont choose to post anything EVER about any other political party. Try opening your eyes.

The pardon exist for the governor to decide who will be pardoned. Not TX-Beau and certainly not the victims families.

So you just disagree with pardons when done by certain people? So you good with freedom for certain folks as well? As long as they are on the other side?

Sad
 
^are you KIDDING me???

I'm STILL furious about that... :grrr:

And I LIKE the idea of pardons... :confused:

Just not LAST MINUTE ones that are BOUGHT and PAID for -- in a slinky spineless payback move...

:):):)
 
JayHawk said:
No you just dont choose to post anything EVER about any other political party. Try opening your eyes.

The pardon exist for the governor to decide who will be pardoned. Not TX-Beau and certainly not the victims families.

So you just disagree with pardons when done by certain people? So you good with freedom for certain folks as well? As long as they are on the other side?

Sad
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Blah blah blah blah blah. Oh please. No point in bothering with you when you're happy tell me what I say and argue against it without me ever having to be involved.

Convenient that.
 
jackoroe said:
Funny, I don't recall all of you being so upset when Clinton pardoned terrorists so that his wife could get elected Senator of New York. Short memories, I guess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy
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Funny, I don't recall being around in here when Clinton did anything.

So either you have a short memory or you're just posturing. let's hear you condemn both or admit you're just trying to excuse one by screaming Suzy did it too, just like the fifth grade.

Or maybe you're not even concerned with the argument so much as convincing yourself of the evil of people who argue against you in here. Only the shadow knows.
 
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