Harke, you're FIRED!

[Harke the Boeotarch]

My clip was supposed to relate to the sacrifices of virgin bitches offered to you.

Sadly, I'm only a minor diety, and haven't moved up that far in the pantheon yet.

 

[belamyi]

Sadly, I'm only a minor diety, and haven't moved up that far in the pantheon yet.

Oh, typo for "deity"... I had thought you were on a stingy sexual diet or something, silly me

 

[Fire]

Sadly, I'm only a minor diety, and haven't moved up that far in the pantheon yet.

And you never will with that attitude, Mister!

Stuck as the god of butt plugs and anal beads for all eternity...

 

[Ram]

Discriminatory remarks about other white people? Is that even possible?

 

[bankside]

Discriminatory remarks about other white people? Is that even possible?

my "privileged" blue eyes are rolling so far up into my "patriarchal" white skull that we may never find them again.

 

[Ram]

my "privileged" blue eyes are rolling so far up into my "patriarchal" white skull that we may never find them again.

Well, they usually roll right back into the sockets once they bump into the brain so I can see why you may never find yours.

Racist.

 

[bankside]

There is a way for everyone to be anti-racist together, as a common responsibility.

But there is also a way which assumes, quite outlandishly, that racism gives privileges to every white person, when in fact it only favours the interests of the racist and his or her cronies, and does less than nothing for a typical white person. (Ignorance of this fact is nothing but opportunity lost for those who want to make a positive contribution toward equality.)

But then, building on that, is a way that tries to convince the typical white person who is in no way a beneficiary of racism, that racism is (while immoral) actually in his interests. It is almost never white people who make that argument, and when people do it, it is the most stunning example of shooting oneself in the foot I can imagine.

But the most laughable anti-racist pitch of all is probably the idea that some people are genetically incapable of being racists themselves, due to being non-white in skin colour.

Good luck with your non-racism.

 

[Ram]

There is a way for everyone to be anti-racist together, as a common responsibility.

But there is also a way which assumes, quite outlandishly, that racism gives privileges to every white person, when in fact it only favours the interests of the racist and his or her cronies, and does less than nothing for a typical white person. (Ignorance of this fact is nothing but opportunity lost for those who want to make a positive contribution toward equality.)

But then, building on that, is a way that tries to convince the typical white person who is in no way a beneficiary of racism, that racism is (while immoral) actually in his interests. It is almost never white people who make that argument, and when people do it, it is the most stunning example of shooting oneself in the foot I can imagine.

Stop. Your first mistake was to take me seriously. Your second mistake will be this post.

Bankside, you must admit, out of the thousands posts made the white Jubbers (and the incredibly different one Polish Jubber), you criticized my post, made by a brown person. That's racism. And why is only one word bolded black? Oh so now you think the other words are not worth to be black? Hmm, so black people are not worth your words huh? You are a racist.

 

[belamyi]

Do Anglocultured people usually distinguish between racism and xenophobia? simply asking...

 

[Centipede]

every company i've worked for fires anyone who makes discriminatory remarks towards any person on the spot, or sends a written statement about the incident to HR and is then seperated from the company a few days later.

fired for bigotry? no way!

 

[bankside]

Stop. Your first mistake was to take me seriously. Your second mistake will be this post.

Bankside, you must admit, out of the thousands posts made the white Jubbers (and the incredibly different one Polish Jubber), you criticized my post, made by a brown person. That's racism. And why is only one word bolded black? Oh so now you think the other words are not worth to be black? Hmm, so black people are not worth your words huh? You are a racist.

OMG. You tricked me! That's what I get for taking a...you know...seriously...

 

[belamyi]

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

every company i've worked for fires anyone who makes discriminatory remarks towards any person on the spot, or sends a written statement about the incident to HR and is then seperated from the company a few days later.

fired for bigotry? no way!

Our labour laws are different from yours.

Telling a foreign worker with a work permit that it would be nice if they'd take the local population into account and that the EU does not grant universal work permission to citizens of all its member states hardly constitutes to discrimination.

Had I been unionized or had access to the kind of lawyers they have in the US, I would have been able and perfectly within my rights to file a complaint about them.

As it was, I simply kicked the dust from my shoes and started this thread.

I bumped the thread because I read a reply by ChickenGuy that I hadn't answered.

 

[frankfrank]

Very interesting that your experience with Poles is so remarkably different than mine, Harke. There is a rather sizable population of people in the USA who originated in Poland, who are first-generation or second-generation Americans. OK, at this late date, a lot of third-generation Poles are adults now, as well, and there was an earlier wave of immigration to places such as Buffalo and Chicago. (Tadeusz Kosciuszco, in fact, was a "hero" of the American Revolutionary War, and there are some places in the U.S. named after him, "Anglicizing" his last name by dropping the Z.)

My experiences with people of Polish (and, for that matter, Czech, Hungarian, Greek...and Jews, as well) ancestry have been marvelous. I find that I often seem to have a lot in common, along with feeling entirely comfortable and "at home" when interacting.

I've had fewer interactions with people from elsewhere in Eastern Europe (Armenians, Russians, Albanians, Romanians, Serbs, Ukrainians, etc.), so I've noticed no pattern, but I expect my experience would be similar. There are a lot of Armenians around Los Angeles, but not in the Midwest (as we erroneously call this region).

I guess the Midwest is a holdover from the 19th Century, when Illinois was still considered part of the West???

In general I enjoy and get along with people, and that entirely includes people who "don't look like me" (i. e., other races) as well, but I've noticed it with Poles because I often see or hear them being maligned by others, while I often ask "Why?" Also, of all the people I've known and liked well enough to spend time or hang out with, at least 20% have been Jewish, which is far out of the realm of statistical chance.

Again, I pretty much "get along with anybody," but I can't help but be conscious of patterns, especially those which are contrary to the misconceptions which are prevalent or common.

Harke, I wonder if your experience with Poles, which is so contrary to mine, may have something to do with political origin? Generally the Poles that I meet in the United States come from families which immigrated here before the days of Communism, or perhaps fled Communism in the 1940's. You are meeting Poles who lived a significant portion of their lives under Communism. could that make a difference? As I write this, though I never really thought about it before, I only now realize that I have almost never met any people who have lived under Communist rule for a significant period of time.

 

[belamyi]

My experiences with Poles have been nice too.
My first one was that cute blond doll whore who had fled the Polish military service and ended up in a whorehouse in Barcelona via France, where he had been a teacher or something. He was pure eye-candy, and terribly cute but, as usual, he was more a whim than anything, and I only made average to bad screwing to him... maybe that should have been posted in the Confession thread.
I think I had a couple more experiences of the sort, but it's either Mr. Alzheimer or the lack of sleep and... bah.

 

[Harke the Boeotarch]

Harke, I wonder if your experience with Poles, which is so contrary to mine, may have something to do with political origin? Generally the Poles that I meet in the United States come from families which immigrated here before the days of Communism, or perhaps fled Communism in the 1940's. You are meeting Poles who lived a significant portion of their lives under Communism. could that make a difference? As I write this, though I never really thought about it before, I only now realize that I have almost never met any people who have lived under Communist rule for a significant period of time.

I've only had a few bad experiences with Poles, and I've had many more positive or neutral ones.
My mother has had a Polish gardener for years, and she let him store his trailer in our yard this winter.
The problem starts when large groups start hunting for scarce unschooled labor (see the US and Mexico).

It's just that I don't need to be ordered around for seven months by a legal foreigner who's also in the same rank in my own home town.

In any normal company we would have made up and continued our job, it's just that the un-manager in charge decided he'd let people go on the basis of them doing something 'wrong'.

This person just needed a flimsy excuse to send away another temp-worker as he could not be bothered with picking out the employees and telling them in advance how much longer they'd be working there.

Many of my former temp-colleges had the common sense to leave this sinking ship before they were sent away, others were not so lucky.

Note that we were all temp-workers and could be sent away at any moment. It's just not generally considered polite to do it that way.