Harvey Weinstein

[oakpope]

I have to agree with Ben.
Sexual harassment is blown out of proportion.

The people who yelled "sexual harassment" should visit gay saunas and observe ...

Benvolio and you, if you're serious, disgust me.

 

[Benvolio]

So you're perfectly fine with physical assault is what you're saying, as I'm pretty sure there's no such animal as assault that isn't considered violence or forced. Physical assault is by its nature violent, Mr. It's Rape If They Fuck Me With No Condom. I see double standards....

Any unauthorized touching is technically an assault, but I don't think every pat on the back should be a crime. It is not likely to cause physical harm, but sex without a condum can be deadly.

 

[gsdx]

Barring violent physical assault and rape the law should not attempt to regulate relations between the sexes.

So you're perfectly fine with physical assault is what you're saying

it makes me wonder why the president - (cough cough raping a 13-year-old cough grabbing p***y cough cough) - got away with it. Improper touching IS physical assault, no matter WHO does it to whom, and no matter how gentle it might be.

 

[Benvolio]

Benvolio and you, if you're serious, disgust me.

And I don't have any respect for those who want every tiny thing not nice to be regulated by the criminal sanction or the government.

 

[tarallucci]

he's more gross in person

Well I find him hot and he could rape me any time

A victim of his crimes now paying the consequences.

 

[Telstra]

Benvolio and you, if you're serious, disgust me.

Why don't you post the "sexual harassment" thing in details if you feel so strongly about it ?
Or just making overblown world war 3 noises.

 

[Latimer]

Much of the commentary I've read mentions how fat and ugly ("pock-marked" is often added) Weinstein is. In contrast, none of the articles I've read regarding serial sexual predator and former Fox News CEO Roger Ailes brought up how fat and repulsive he is. I wonder why. Perhaps the reason is that Ailes's image was not as widely published as Weinstein's: no pictures of Roger being embraced and kissed by Uma Thurman and Heidi Klum, for example. Then again, commentators et al across the political spectrum (as they say) have condemned Weinstein, and I can't recall any conservatives condemning Mr. Ailes. Conservatives more or less demanded that Hillary Clinton condemn her political supporter Weinstein, whereas I never heard the same demand of Donald Trump regarding his champion, Ailes. Trump's only public comment regarding Weinstein--as far as I know--is that he knew him for years and the revelations didn't surprise him, so are we to assume the President was part of the terrible "conspiracy of silence" that allowed the heinous Weinstein to continue his prosperous career? Let's hope Mr. Trump resists a belated condemnation: one of his few attractive qualities is his lack of sanctimony.

But back to the horror of fat and ugly and pock-marked Harvey Weinstein preying upon good-looking young women who were drawn into his orbit: when I first read the NYT article, I wondered, did any women submit to his advances? Many women? And knowing that the casting couch works both ways, were there other women who sought to seduce him in the interest of advancing their career?

Even more interesting I thought, is the question of whether or not we would ever have heard any of this if Weinstein hadn't been good-looking, or truly as handsome as producer and former Paramount head Robert Evans, or recently deceased former Paramount head Brad Grey, or Bob Eiger at Disney. Evans is a well-known roue', and in his heyday was a very handsome guy. He could have had any number of would-be Hollywood starlets in his bed, and probably did. He undoubtedly had girls throwing themselves at him, and probably still does. Grey was and Eiger is, a handsome, engaged and engaging guy--how many women would complain being propositioned by him? I can easily imagine that both of these guys often had women attempting to seduce them.

One of the reasons why the Weinstein story is fascinating is that he's truly a beast; but while he couldn't turn into a prince with a kiss from Beauty, he held the key to a world where she might find a prince on her own. Even forgetting the last part, it wouldn't be the first time a beautiful, desirable woman made an alliance with a powerful ugly man.

 

[Latimer]

^
Obvious correction above: "If Weinstein had been good-looking".

 

[Taralen]

Much of the commentary I've read mentions how fat and ugly ("pock-marked" is often added) Weinstein is. In contrast, none of the articles I've read regarding serial sexual predator and former Fox News CEO Roger Ailes brought up how fat and repulsive he is. I wonder why. Perhaps the reason is that Ailes's image was not as widely published as Weinstein's: no pictures of Roger being embraced and kissed by Uma Thurman and Heidi Klum, for example. Then again, commentators et al across the political spectrum (as they say) have condemned Weinstein, and I can't recall any conservatives condemning Mr. Ailes. Conservatives more or less demanded that Hillary Clinton condemn her political supporter Weinstein, whereas I never heard the same demand of Donald Trump regarding his champion, Ailes. Trump's only public comment regarding Weinstein--as far as I know--is that he knew him for years and the revelations didn't surprise him, so are we to assume the President was part of the terrible "conspiracy of silence" that allowed the heinous Weinstein to continue his prosperous career? Let's hope Mr. Trump resists a belated condemnation: one of his few attractive qualities is his lack of sanctimony.

But back to the horror of fat and ugly and pock-marked Harvey Weinstein preying upon good-looking young women who were drawn into his orbit: when I first read the NYT article, I wondered, did any women submit to his advances? Many women? And knowing that the casting couch works both ways, were there other women who sought to seduce him in the interest of advancing their career?

Even more interesting I thought, is the question of whether or not we would ever have heard any of this if Weinstein hadn't been good-looking, or truly as handsome as producer and former Paramount head Robert Evans, or recently deceased former Paramount head Brad Grey, or Bob Eiger at Disney. Evans is a well-known roue', and in his heyday was a very handsome guy. He could have had any number of would-be Hollywood starlets in his bed, and probably did. He undoubtedly had girls throwing themselves at him, and probably still does. Grey was and Eiger is, a handsome, engaged and engaging guy--how many women would complain being propositioned by him? I can easily imagine that both of these guys often had women attempting to seduce them.

One of the reasons why the Weinstein story is fascinating is that he's truly a beast; but while he couldn't turn into a prince with a kiss from Beauty, he held the key to a world where she might find a prince on her own. Even forgetting the last part, it wouldn't be the first time a beautiful, desirable woman made an alliance with a powerful ugly man.

Because men are allowed to be unkempt in many and in all cases. Nobody cares if a man if fat or ugly or geeky or dweeby. If he has charisma, swagger, good sense of humor, money lol, all that shit doesn't matter.

Women have to have sex appeal to them always. That's just the way it is. That's why on TV most diet and weight loss and beauty shit is targeted and marketed towards women.

So the fact Harvey Weinstein is fat and ugly has nothing to do with anything. Men aren't judged or ranked on that.

If Kim Kardashian was fat and ugly, she wouldn't be a sex symbol that she is.

That's just the way it is.

 

[Latimer]

...it wouldn't be the first time a beautiful, desirable woman made an alliance with a powerful ugly man.

"A tale as old as time."

Not knowing her and their history, I wondered why a much younger, very beautiful and successful fashion designer would marry the guy. Now I know: he made her a success.