Hatred between The North And South

[Sammie13]

Guys, the OP has a point, look at this picture taken last week of gang war between Chicagoans and Alabamians about Affirmatie Action.

Typical of ya'll Chicagans and the Ala-damn-bamans,.... no fashion sense whatsoever. See, us Georgians would be in Joseph Aboud out on the battlefield. WE bring class to whatever endeavor we may partake....however, the OP probably still thinks we're wearing Jethro's overalls.

 

[Sammie13]

No fashion sense?? Whatever, just look at our latest trends, classy, elegant, still alluring.

Well, marley, you're clearly doing a quantuum leap as your affirmative action gang warfare has jumped from the 1860's all the way to the Roaring 1920's. But, why would you care about affirm action and all that fighting...hey, you have underground bootlegging to contend with....yeah, baby!!! All those Alabama bootleggers have their hidden distrilleries...they can package the moonshine; then, they grab their woman, who in Alabama would have still been wearing their saintly petticoats (down at the junction, no less), jump in their Tin Lizzy and head to Chicago to deliver all the fresh spirits to the gangsters who are hanging with their babe, wearing their hot little flappers, at a 2-day marathon dance.

Of course, since IL has seceeded now due to the OP's North/South issues, I'm not sure we can send our bootleggers in that direction. Remember, he wants to grow his own products. Nope...on second thought...no Wild Turkey for Illinois

 

[Jaime]

They're scared.

The media makes them paranoid.

In Arizona, I have heard anti-Mexican statements by everyone. Blacks, whites, MEXICANS (yes Mexicans using slurs for illegal Mexican immigrants---the one that rhymes with nacho), young people, old people. Everyone uses it.

I've come to the conclusion from my experiences that pretty much everyone hates Mexicans. Not everyone in the sense that all 300 million Americans despise people of Mexican descent. But all demographic groups have shown serious disdain for your group---even fellow minorities which is all the more puzzling.

Some genius the other day at the post office started talking openly about the state adding an extra letter/number to the license plate. And some old timer about two people behind me said "It's cause of all of these damn Mexicans." That was kind of funny, but the living fossil was serious.

There are certain elements in our society that have continuously been afraid of people that are different. All I can say to you is that time isn't on their sides.

Be patient... it's the waiting game.

yeah, honestly i'm starting to think that the rio grande has replaced the mason-dixon in some ways.

and just for the record, one of the reasons why the "go back to mexico" comments piss me off is because i'm actually half mexican and half cuban. but in this state, everyone who looks like me, as well as everyone who speaks spanish, is automatically branded "mexican."

maybe i should start telling anglos to go back to england.

as for the topic at hand, i just got back from a trip to philadelphia, and i noticed that any time someone acted rudely, i found myself muttering "damn yankees" under my breath. i guess i've assimilated more than i thought.

 

[radical matt]

Hm...well, I live in Texas and the whole Civil War thing isn't really that big of a deal to us. To us, the Alamo, Texas' freedom from Mexico, Texas' joining the Union...those are the big historical things. The Civil War is relegated to history like WWI, just more distant. It was a major event, but one that passed, can be learned from, and we've moved on from.

In Texas, we tend to be more annoyed at illegal immigration (being in the top 4 states to suffer from that problem, what with the wide border and all.) That said, we also have a lot of people of Hispanic ancestry living in this state and have for ages (they say that Hispanics are the majority in South Texas, and probably will be for the state before too awful long.)

We have a lot of Hispanics, a number of Blacks (less than Hispanics, though), and in most of our major cities (especially at colleges, such as were I am now) a lot of foreigners. (An interesting observation; our engineering departments are dominated by Chinese students, our Physics/Math departments by Indian and others from the Indian sub-continent area [Afghanistan, Pakistan, ect.])

While interracial marriage/children is looked down on by older people, most people under 40-50 don't really care. I think we have a lot of Hispanic-European mixes than African-European, but we've had a long line of interracial marriage all the way back to where settlers would take Native American women to be their wives (I've got Cherokee ancestry, for example. Something I sadly know far less about than I'd like to.)



So yeah, maybe Texas is different, but we're really not like the OP suggests at all. Maybe he only meant the deep South? (Which, as I understand it, does not include Texas.)

But no one speaks of succession. Heck, Texas has the legal right (under the terms of its admission into the US; it was a separate country that joined the US rather than a territory becoming a state) to cede anytime it wishes, as well as split into up to 5 smaller states if it wishes (presumably for the additional 8 Senate seats that would grant the combined Texas states.)

Don't get me wrong, we're independent, hard workers, and don't like relying on government programs and such (and, as such, are fiercely anti-Socialistic and anti-Left as a general rule), but in general, that also makes us very patriotic. Texans love Texas and love the United States. The idea of breaking from the US is not on anyone's mind.

...well, maybe the illegals that still want Texas back for Mexico, but...



...of course, I can't say that I speak for all Texans either. I grew up from age 2-11 in Laredo, Texas, on the border with Mexico, so I got used to living around people who were "different" than me at an early age. To be honest, I don't really think of Hispanics as different from myself (and even can very well emulate the voice inflections of Spanish...wish I knew more words. Being able to read it with perfect pronunciation doesn't do much if you can't understand it. ^_^)

Blacks are "different" than me, but as long as they aren't overly "street", I don't tend to notice and it doesn't bother me. To be honest, I think it's the cultural and more dog-eat-dog thing that's associated with "street" that bothers me. I debated philosophy with a guy today for over an hour. I didn't even think about the fact that he was Black until just now. ^_^

Gee, does it make me a racist that I just realized that, or does it make me non-racist that I didn't realize it sooner...?

 

[radical matt]

Don't get me wrong, when I say different, I mean the mental thing. I grew up playing with Hispanic kids and white missionary kids. I don't think I ever saw a black person in Laredo, to be honest. At least, I don't remember if I did.

When we moved back to the northern part of the state, I actually didn't mentally think of black people as any different than the yellow-ish skinned kids I grew up playing with. I was told that they were, but didn't really think much of it since I didn't know any or encounter any.

In terms of skin color, it's a more pronounced difference between my white and the dark brown of a black persons than is the white versus yellow-brown of a Hispanic person, and that's all that I meant by "different."


To be honest, it's the not the skin color but the mannerisms and way people act that I tend to associate with being similar or different than myself. A person that's "street" is different than I am, regardless of their skin color, as would be a person of the upper class, aristocracy, Hollywood actors/resses, and so on. I don't really tend to notice the color of their skin except as an afterthought in the same way I'd notice the color of someone's eyes or hair.

So my only hangups are of a social nature, not a skin color one. White people that are "street" scare me as much as black ones that are. Mostly in the sense that I'm not quite sure what to do around them, don't always know what they're talking about, and don't like offending people and tend to get uncomfortable when I'm not sure what the group finds offensive/complementary (after all, if you don't know what offends someone, then it's hard not to offend them sometimes.)

But as for the color of their skin? I don't really care. Call me a racist if that's what I am, but I think a better term would be a socialist...er...no, that can't be right... ^_^;

 

[seven_sins]

...no more coca-cola for you...

Let 'em sell co-cola in China.

 

[Chalchalero]

I'm sure that's true, but like I said earlier racism is everywhere and not just in the south! There are parts of New York City, Detroit, Chicago, and LA that I'd be a bit weary to travel in myself.

Ever heard of Howard Beach? Anyone wishing to travel to that part of Queens had better not be darker than a mild suntan, from what I have heard, read and seen about the people who live there...

 

[Chalchalero]

My God, you are bringing back an incident from 1986, I had to google it to see what you are talking about.

That is like me saying:

Ever heard of Germany? Anyone wishing to travel to that part of Europe had better not be Jewish, from what I have heard, read and seen about the people who live there..

Actually no I am talking about a neighbourhood that continues to have the reputation for such incidents. You only read of the most infamous. Howard Beach has not changed in any way. Living in New York for much of the year, I think I would know this.

Your analogy and comparison, yet again, are not applicable to the example posed.

 

[Chalchalero]

I am in NYC everyday. I have never heard of such incidents.

Howard Beach does not have a 'reputation'.

You just finished telling someone else that you live in New Jersey!

For those of us who are involved in politics and who are aware of what is going on in different New York (and NOT New JERSEY) communities, Howard Beach DOES have a reputation, and not a very good one. Particularly amongst people of colour who have been mistreated there.

It may not be fair and may yet be unjustified, but it remains, nonetheless.

Please stop making assertions about things for which you have neither knowledge nor experience. For Heaven's sake you had to look Howard Beach up in Google to even know what it was. Do not presume to tell me about something which you know absolutely nothing about.

I know there are those here who allow you to get away with that nonsense, but I will not play the "baiting game" with you.

 

[Sammie13]

Is it just me.. or does it seem that the civil war left an impact that still affects us today? (Racism down there is STILL strong) Personally I feel the south has so many different views then the north GENERALLY. I know this sounds like a wild idea.. and maybe its just a dumb impulsive idea of mine.. but the south wanted to separate so badly so why not give them what they want? Down there its mostly republicans and its mostly democrats up north. That's GENERALLY speaking. Its the southern states that voted Bush. I've been down south and talked to many. Many WANT the war there. If anything.. give them their own freedom to be the confederate states of America. They still wave their confederate flags as if its a proud thing. Think about when a hurricane hits.. they won't have the funds that the North has. As for agriculture.. we would have to push ourselves more but we would be better off.

I guess Cher is not alone...what incredible timing....Zogby has a new poll that says 18% of Americans favor their state's right to secede and 22% favor secession overall.

Survey finds 18% would support a secessionist effort in their state
UTICA, New York -One in five American adults - 22% - believe that any state or region has the right to "peaceably secede from the United States and become an independent republic," a new Middlebury Institute/Zogby International telephone poll shows

and the region that Cher hates the most, the South, happens to agree most with Cher on the secession issue, how's that for irony? 26% of Southerners polled favor secession. Overall, Hispanics at 43% and African Americans at 40% most favor legalizing secession...whites were only at 17%. Liberals outpaced conservatives almost 2 to 1 in favor of state's seceding.

Education played a big factor on how people think (please Cher, stay in school):

The more education a respondent had, the less likely they were to support secession - as 38% of those with less than a high school diploma would support it, compared to just 10% of those with a college degree.

Go figure...think I've heard it all now. Here's the link:
http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1531

 

[radical matt]

Did it say that they wanted to secede, or that they only favored the States'/region's right to do so? (e.g. just because someone thinks suicide should be legal doesn't mean they support actually doing it. ^_^)


What's kinda funny to me is how whites are the least likely to want it. Though I could see some reasons for that being true too...

 

[Sammie13]

Did it say that they wanted to secede, or that they only favored the States'/region's right to do so? (e.g. just because someone thinks suicide should be legal doesn't mean they support actually doing it. ^_^)


What's kinda funny to me is how whites are the least likely to want it. Though I could see some reasons for that being true too...

Matt, here is the wording:

Asked whether they would support a secessionist movement in their own state, 18% said they would, with those in the South most likely to say they would back such an effort. In the South, 24% said they would support such an effort, while 15% in the West and Midwest said the same. Here, too, younger adults were more likely than older adults to be supportive - 35% of those under age 30 would support secession in their state, compared to just 17% of those over age 65.

Apparently, 44% say the American 2-party system is broken...those are the folks most likely to support their state's efforts.

 

[tonyboy]

Is it just me.. or does it seem that the civil war left an impact that still affects us today? (Racism down there is STILL strong) Personally I feel the south has so many different views then the north GENERALLY. I know this sounds like a wild idea.. and maybe its just a dumb impulsive idea of mine.. but the south wanted to separate so badly so why not give them what they want? Down there its mostly republicans and its mostly democrats up north. That's GENERALLY speaking. Its the southern states that voted Bush. I've been down south and talked to many. Many WANT the war there. If anything.. give them their own freedom to be the confederate states of America. They still wave their confederate flags as if its a proud thing. Think about when a hurricane hits.. they won't have the funds that the North has. As for agriculture.. we would have to push ourselves more but we would be better off.

The Southern states always voted straight Democratic until the 70's.... even then it was a bit hit and miss. Not until he 80s did the south generally vote Republican.
The Civil War ended in 1865 man.... why do you keep talking about this subject? don't you know your history?

 

[radical matt]

Matt, here is the wording:



Apparently, 44% say the American 2-party system is broken...those are the folks most likely to support their state's efforts.

Huh, younger people being more rash and almost half the nation thinks the two party system is broken.

...why do I find none of that surprising at all?