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Have you ever done 'black face'?
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nycguydowntown
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never blackened my face --would never---my Ike Turner costume was just a pillow shoved down my pant leg.
72-Jay
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I've never done it, and never ever even hear of it til a couple years ago.
Really I think its complete BS that people are making such a big deal of this stuff done years in the past.
Really I think its complete BS that people are making such a big deal of this stuff done years in the past.
NotHardUp1
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Never done it. Never seen it done.
Apparently it's funnier the further north you get. Been a dead art in the states for many decades now.
In fairness to Trudeau, not sure how dressing up in a Moorish costume constitutes "blackface" as it has come to be defined, i.e., the demeaning depiction of black people through makeup. Moors have been depicted as he appears for centuries in opera and other media, a caricature, but not necessarily demeaning.
The offensive part of vaudevillian Jazz Singer style blackface was its reduction of a race to a trope of garish expressions and comical antics. Today, that sort of thing is limited to actors who exploit it for their own enrichment, like Kevin Hart or Tyler Perry.
Trudeau's fall appears almost mythic, like the gods of fame are punishing him for his incredible hubris and arrogance. I can't wait to see what they have in store for Trump. This should be good.
Apparently it's funnier the further north you get. Been a dead art in the states for many decades now.
In fairness to Trudeau, not sure how dressing up in a Moorish costume constitutes "blackface" as it has come to be defined, i.e., the demeaning depiction of black people through makeup. Moors have been depicted as he appears for centuries in opera and other media, a caricature, but not necessarily demeaning.
The offensive part of vaudevillian Jazz Singer style blackface was its reduction of a race to a trope of garish expressions and comical antics. Today, that sort of thing is limited to actors who exploit it for their own enrichment, like Kevin Hart or Tyler Perry.
Trudeau's fall appears almost mythic, like the gods of fame are punishing him for his incredible hubris and arrogance. I can't wait to see what they have in store for Trump. This should be good.
There was a time when blacking up was considered perfectly acceptable on the BBC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_and_White_Minstrel_Show
I'm not sure why it is not acceptable to paint your face black.
And black people can paint their face white. As long as it is not harmful.
LeicsDom
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Would there be such uproar for a black person whiting up? Or is racism only one way?
NotHardUp1
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Especially when it is a political weapon instead of measurable harm. That's what the invention of the definition of racism as institutional racism is all about.
As has been stated before, everyone is racist in some degree. The problem comes when one side decides that only the opposition's racism is relevant.
He has been touted as a defender of the marginalized. Apparently that means the 1%.
Trudeau has apologized after all, just like Jimmy Swaggart.
As has been stated before, everyone is racist in some degree. The problem comes when one side decides that only the opposition's racism is relevant.
He has been touted as a defender of the marginalized. Apparently that means the 1%.
Trudeau has apologized after all, just like Jimmy Swaggart.
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ShadowCat
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It's one of the main reasons they don't show Holiday Inn at Christmas time anymore. I see it as basically halloween everyone is cross dressing why not swap races? People do it when they wear Native American Authentic Indian wear is it really so different??
NotHardUp1
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The bar should be set at the level where impersonating another culture or race is intended to be demeaning or derisive. That is why blackface justly took the fall. However, not every minstrel show was a lampoon, but surely they almost all were.
Additionally, clowning when in costume is perfectly natural, and it doesn't connote disrespect. Any man with Trudeau's looks and wealth is used to being the center of attention, so it should come as a surprise to no one that he did sort of over-the-top costumes. If there were every moment known, I'm sure there is some time in which he either pretended a fey gay voice or mannerism as a teen boy. Those with looks like his often do mock flirt, for example.
It's a shame that the purists have set the bar so high, as it has made their own susceptible. Trudeau's actual record is unassailable on equality, but in an era in which thought police patrol for sinners, he has found himself counted among the pariahs.
Additionally, clowning when in costume is perfectly natural, and it doesn't connote disrespect. Any man with Trudeau's looks and wealth is used to being the center of attention, so it should come as a surprise to no one that he did sort of over-the-top costumes. If there were every moment known, I'm sure there is some time in which he either pretended a fey gay voice or mannerism as a teen boy. Those with looks like his often do mock flirt, for example.
It's a shame that the purists have set the bar so high, as it has made their own susceptible. Trudeau's actual record is unassailable on equality, but in an era in which thought police patrol for sinners, he has found himself counted among the pariahs.
Never in my life, but I do not condemn anyone who may have done it in the past.
NotHardUp1
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Tear him for his bad verses! Tear him for his bad verses!
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You mean because they're young and (literally) dumb, and full of cum, that this is all just a "frat house thing"?
Guess what? I agree, although why choose skin color as the reason for a "costume"? I get it: it occurs to them as a novelty. What it doesn't occur to them (yet) is that even though it's for Hallowe'en, they might try sticking with less controversial choices. But it doesn't make me say, "White People!!!!!!!!!!!!" when I read about it. I wish people would stop using this as a reason to tar and feather someone. "Oooooh, you did Blackface twenty years ago" (or whatever). And i have vastly more compassion when a Canuck does it than when an American does: we KNOW that history, even if you're only young, White and 21. Canadians (and the rest of the world - excluding parts of South Africa) don't have a history of owning, beating and murdering Blacks. (And please don't pull out some obscure article showing Canadians killed more Blacks back in the early 20th century: it won't change my perspective.)
Blackface is something that - given the current state of the police state murdering Blacks - should be eliminated from "costumes" since there are those of us who can't wipe the Black off. But I suppose if you've never been chased by the KKK, or angry Bostonians (especially the Irish South Boston area of Boston) chasing you to (also) kill you, it's easy to see it as a prank. Too bad the history of the past - AND PRESENT - PROVE it's not. (It's like being stupid about the Holocaust.)
So, I'd be sensitive about this subject.
And no, never "done" Black face, but will a naturally Brown face disqualify me? Nah.
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What about accents?
Is doing an Indian accent for comic effect considered offensive in Great Britain? I've heard it is. A Caribbean accent? What about a Glaswegian accent? American? French? There's a very funny Fawlty Towers episode in which a Brit plays an obnoxious American with an obnoxious American accent. Should this be offensive to a Yank? To anyone?
My Italian tutor--who is a (very handsome!) Sephardic Jew whose parents emigrated from Spanish Morocco to Israel, and who grew up in the US and Israel before living in Argentina, Brazil and Italy--does very wicked accents and imitations of stereotypical Israelis, Argentines, Brazilians, Spaniards, Frenchmen, Italians and Americans. He can be very funny. Is he being offensive when he does these accents? Is he "allowed" to do Israelis and Americans because he is Israeli and American? Last week--as an exercise--he asked me to try speaking English with stereotypical "Italian accent" and intonation, and Italian and French with a stereotypical "American accent" and intonation. I didn't do a good job attempting any of them.
Is doing an Indian accent for comic effect considered offensive in Great Britain? I've heard it is. A Caribbean accent? What about a Glaswegian accent? American? French? There's a very funny Fawlty Towers episode in which a Brit plays an obnoxious American with an obnoxious American accent. Should this be offensive to a Yank? To anyone?
My Italian tutor--who is a (very handsome!) Sephardic Jew whose parents emigrated from Spanish Morocco to Israel, and who grew up in the US and Israel before living in Argentina, Brazil and Italy--does very wicked accents and imitations of stereotypical Israelis, Argentines, Brazilians, Spaniards, Frenchmen, Italians and Americans. He can be very funny. Is he being offensive when he does these accents? Is he "allowed" to do Israelis and Americans because he is Israeli and American? Last week--as an exercise--he asked me to try speaking English with stereotypical "Italian accent" and intonation, and Italian and French with a stereotypical "American accent" and intonation. I didn't do a good job attempting any of them.
HoodedRat
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Almost everything is considered offensive in (formerly) Great Britain, especially when used in a comedic context, to the extent that the the term 'offensive' has now become virtually maningless, a fact that I, personally, find deeply offensive.
