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HBO's Game of Thrones. ( No Book Spoilers Allowed -- Go to Hell.)
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Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones
What the hell, Shae? (And Varys for that matter
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What the hell, Shae? (And Varys for that matter
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^Shae at least has a reason to turn against Tyrion.
With Varys, you have to look at him as the true "defender of the realm" and not a friend. Tyrion and him did share some common ideals but that does not make a friend. Varys views Tyrion as a threat now, especially with Joffrey killed and Littlefinger no longer in King's Landing.
I will say as a book reader, I am drawing a blank on the "trial by combat" here. I know the outcome of course but not the actual fight.
^Shae at least has a reason to turn against Tyrion.
With Varys, you have to look at him as the true "defender of the realm" and not a friend. Tyrion and him did share some common ideals but that does not make a friend. Varys views Tyrion as a threat now, especially with Joffrey killed and Littlefinger no longer in King's Landing.
I will say as a book reader, I am drawing a blank on the "trial by combat" here. I know the outcome of course but not the actual fight.
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Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones
As dubious as it seems, since all he's really doing is giving power-hungry Cersie what her little black heart desires, Varys' defending of the realm is slightly more palatable than Shae being a spiteful liar. He's all shades of grey; she's nothing but black and white. Her betrayal is what pushed Tryion over the edge. I can't say I blame him.
Given how the HBO series differs (so greatly at times) from the books, well....
Speaking of diverging storylines, I thought it was so weird how quickly Yara hightailed it out of the Dreadfort after that impassioned speech she gave to her ironborn brothers, and what seemed such an inflexible resolve to take back what was rightfully hers.
Oh, well. I guess she had to run.
As dubious as it seems, since all he's really doing is giving power-hungry Cersie what her little black heart desires, Varys' defending of the realm is slightly more palatable than Shae being a spiteful liar. He's all shades of grey; she's nothing but black and white. Her betrayal is what pushed Tryion over the edge. I can't say I blame him.
Given how the HBO series differs (so greatly at times) from the books, well....
Speaking of diverging storylines, I thought it was so weird how quickly Yara hightailed it out of the Dreadfort after that impassioned speech she gave to her ironborn brothers, and what seemed such an inflexible resolve to take back what was rightfully hers.
Oh, well. I guess she had to run.
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Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones
Most of the time the source material will always take the edge, but I have to say that HBO's Game of Thrones is easily one of the best shows currently going. (And I'm not alone.)
Most of the time the source material will always take the edge, but I have to say that HBO's Game of Thrones is easily one of the best shows currently going. (And I'm not alone.)
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There have been some hiccups in the TV adaptation but overall book readers are pleased.
There have been some hiccups in the TV adaptation but overall book readers are pleased.
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I agree that it is a good show I suppose. I just don't think it does a particularly good job translating the source material. The rape of Cersei being a great, but by no means singular example of this. Not to mention turning Robb's marriage into some 21st century boy meets girl story rather than the more interesting and believable version in the books. The Shae character is another good example she makes little/no sense to me on the show whereas in the book she's obviously a fun/silly opportunist. I'm not sure if anyone shares these views, they are my own.
I agree that it is a good show I suppose. I just don't think it does a particularly good job translating the source material. The rape of Cersei being a great, but by no means singular example of this. Not to mention turning Robb's marriage into some 21st century boy meets girl story rather than the more interesting and believable version in the books. The Shae character is another good example she makes little/no sense to me on the show whereas in the book she's obviously a fun/silly opportunist. I'm not sure if anyone shares these views, they are my own.
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Funny you should say that.
I didn't realize there was any kind of controversy until I read about the fan outrage.
My mind never went there.
Funny you should say that.
I didn't realize there was any kind of controversy until I read about the fan outrage.
My mind never went there.
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I loved the ending of this episode. I do remember Sansa's "snow building" was a long affair in the books with much of it inner dialogue about how all the little places she would "play" in the city. Some people were disappointed with the scene but I thought it was fine.
I will say it is a bit of a mindfuck with different stories at different points in the series. The Wall is still stuck in Book 3 whereas Sansa and Littlefinger are well into Book 4. I get the feeling that season 5 will focus heavily on The Wall and King's Landing next year with some "northern" stories mixed in.
I loved the ending of this episode. I do remember Sansa's "snow building" was a long affair in the books with much of it inner dialogue about how all the little places she would "play" in the city. Some people were disappointed with the scene but I thought it was fine.
I will say it is a bit of a mindfuck with different stories at different points in the series. The Wall is still stuck in Book 3 whereas Sansa and Littlefinger are well into Book 4. I get the feeling that season 5 will focus heavily on The Wall and King's Landing next year with some "northern" stories mixed in.
Given the pacing, I don't think Tywin will be offed this season.
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Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones
thats why its so sad, they always do this to us, kill us off, isnt that great
fuck game of thrones. i am not watching this again
thats why its so sad, they always do this to us, kill us off, isnt that great
fuck game of thrones. i am not watching this again
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I think his death is a literary catapult to ignite the rising tension between Dorne and the Lannister's. GRRM doesn't write deaths just for the shock value, he's a complex author, shit happens because of the character's intentions or own doings. People think the Red Wedding happened because GRRM wanted to 'shock' people when not really, it happened based on Robb's feelings of honour and general bad decisions, along with his mother.
The Martell's are my favourite House, and I hope the show gives them enough justice, especially keep Quentyn and Arianne.
I think his death is a literary catapult to ignite the rising tension between Dorne and the Lannister's. GRRM doesn't write deaths just for the shock value, he's a complex author, shit happens because of the character's intentions or own doings. People think the Red Wedding happened because GRRM wanted to 'shock' people when not really, it happened based on Robb's feelings of honour and general bad decisions, along with his mother.
The Martell's are my favourite House, and I hope the show gives them enough justice, especially keep Quentyn and Arianne.
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Almost every death is caused because of someone's failure to play the Game of Thrones. I agree with fuckari, the Red Wedding was because Robb screwed over Frey. Frey considered himself to be the most powerful lord in the area, and to be slighted by a boy in such a way... betrayed and robbed of being father to a queen, yeah, he was going to kill Robb.
With the spoiler, he deserved to die. You don't demand a confession during something like that. You kill them, then consider the man guilty because the God's don't let a just man die. His pride was too great, and pride gets you killed in Westeros.
I loved Cersei's smile at the end. I can't wait to see her face when she remembers that Myrcella was sent to Dorne.
Almost every death is caused because of someone's failure to play the Game of Thrones. I agree with fuckari, the Red Wedding was because Robb screwed over Frey. Frey considered himself to be the most powerful lord in the area, and to be slighted by a boy in such a way... betrayed and robbed of being father to a queen, yeah, he was going to kill Robb.
With the spoiler, he deserved to die. You don't demand a confession during something like that. You kill them, then consider the man guilty because the God's don't let a just man die. His pride was too great, and pride gets you killed in Westeros.
I loved Cersei's smile at the end. I can't wait to see her face when she remembers that Myrcella was sent to Dorne.
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I have not read the books and at this stage am happy I did not because I would not want to know the Oberyn was going to die and especially such a miserable death. I wonder, too, if The Mountain died as well. Because the show is brilliant and the unexpected happens all the time (not usually good expected to my favs). So many of my favs have died miserable deaths in these past episodes so I cringe whenever one does die and rejoice at the small gifts when someone awful dies (Joffrey). I hope Sansa has come into her own has is learning how to be conniving and deceitful. The girl has been through more than almost any character (maybe not Theon, but his is deserved for his betrayal). I wonder, too, if Sansa and Aryn will be reunited now since they are in the same neighborhood. Maybe not since Bran and Jon have been within ear shot and missed each other twice.
I have not read the books and at this stage am happy I did not because I would not want to know the Oberyn was going to die and especially such a miserable death. I wonder, too, if The Mountain died as well. Because the show is brilliant and the unexpected happens all the time (not usually good expected to my favs). So many of my favs have died miserable deaths in these past episodes so I cringe whenever one does die and rejoice at the small gifts when someone awful dies (Joffrey). I hope Sansa has come into her own has is learning how to be conniving and deceitful. The girl has been through more than almost any character (maybe not Theon, but his is deserved for his betrayal). I wonder, too, if Sansa and Aryn will be reunited now since they are in the same neighborhood. Maybe not since Bran and Jon have been within ear shot and missed each other twice.
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Given the arc, the "finale" is this Sunday and I am expecting it to be the battle at the Wall. I just remember how epic it was in the book [if you saw the Blackwater episode, the Wall battle is even more epic; probably more CGI though]. The only thing I am weary about is that Sansa's arc in the books is about to end "thus far" so I am extremely curious how they will continue that arc.
Given the arc, the "finale" is this Sunday and I am expecting it to be the battle at the Wall. I just remember how epic it was in the book [if you saw the Blackwater episode, the Wall battle is even more epic; probably more CGI though]. The only thing I am weary about is that Sansa's arc in the books is about to end "thus far" so I am extremely curious how they will continue that arc.
I have a premonition that Tyrion will kill Tywin in the last episode this season. That would be a fitting cliffhanger for the next season.
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I'm beginning to think this wondering should I read a book after each season now.
I'm beginning to think this wondering should I read a book after each season now.
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Re: A song of ice and fire: HBO's Game of Thrones
last night's episode: boring. I recorded it and fast-forwarded through most of it.
last night's episode: boring. I recorded it and fast-forwarded through most of it.
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^
His storyline is very good in the books I have to say.
^
His storyline is very good in the books I have to say.
