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[Apollo]

It makes more sense if she were 1100yo, but for the show how can they explain how she knows so much about maenads (and presumably many other things as well) while Eric never heard of such a creature? Is there like a vampire prep-school for royal grooming or something?

I wonder if she had personal experience with another maenad herself, but why would she bother with a maenad? She might have wanted some maenad sex, but why would she have sex without drinking her blood? (which she can't of course.)

I think Eric is only a sheriff because Godric was one as well, so that he wouldn't out rank his maker if he were a king.

Naaa, Godric was happy being a Sheriff. Although, I wonder in the end, if he wasn't one.

Remember when Eric was talking about how he could have any territory in the new world because he was the oldest vamp in the new world? Godric would have been fine if Eric was a King.

Eric is def still working his way up to his own state. He could easily take out Sophie as she is apparently 500 years younger than him, but if she knows about Maenads and how to kill them, then she is most likely a powerful Queen and thats why she is Queen.

 

[Apollo]

This much I don't doubt. I don't remember who it was exactly, but someone else in this thread mentioned that it is probably her that is behind the V selling idea and I read the spoilers from the book concerning her, Bill, Sookie and Eric, so I have no doubt in my mind that she is far more intelligent than we;ve had the chance to see.

I'm simply pointing out that in contrast to all the other vampires on the show that we've seen, given her age and especially power you would think she'd have a different behavior set to go along with all that. Maybe not. Who knows.

Also maybe you or someone else knows the answer to this already but I'd really like to know exactly what determines who gets to be in charge of what. If the Queen is supposed to be YOUNGER than Eric than why is she in charge? There has to be some criteria considering there is a whole council and everything.

The book I am reading right now is talking about the King of Arkansas and how he spent a lot of time maneuvering for the position. I think most likely, they have to fight for it, possibly kill or embarrass the current royal in power enough that they must step down. That makes sense for the show as Sophie is apparently younger than Eric who could really just walk in and take it from her as he is older than the Queen and her guards (they are all her children), a former Viking (no doubt he can fight), and simply smart.

I think what keeps him as Sheriff (maybe) is that he doesn't have the support he needs to dethrown her and keep the power for himself.

IDK though. Yeshua has read all the books I think.

 

[Corny]

I was wondering the same thing about godric/eric/sophie and their ages/power. Good now that this is answered .. what about that "official vampire" association?
That PR lady that had the talk with godric .. who is she? Is she .. kinda elected? What position does she have in the vampire hierarchy? She at least seems to be higher than a sheriff

 

[Ram]

Spoiler questions, you whores, so don't read -- and try to catch up :

I don't get how Maryann is associated with Daphne.

1) Was Daphne Maryann's subservient sidekick?

2) Daphne had wounds on her back, similar to that of Sookie's, and yet she was fine; and I guess that somehow it influenced her to help Maryann. So was Maryann trying to recruit Sookie? Mind you, Daphne didn't had any zombie black eyes and for some reason she was quietly obeying Maryann.

3) She didn't sacrifice Daphne (but she did kill her). What's the deal with that? Daphne was a shifter after all. And why kill her? She wasn't fucking things up like Tara.

4) Season 1: Tara was drunk and she crashed her car because she saw Maryann's naked bloody ass and that giant pig. Is it safe to assume that Maryann killed the voodoo-pharmacist asst. before her encounter with drunk Tara in car?

 

[Ram]

I was wondering the same thing about godric/eric/sophie and their ages/power. Good now that this is answered .. what about that "official vampire" association?
That PR lady that had the talk with godric .. who is she? Is she .. kinda elected? What position does she have in the vampire hierarchy? She at least seems to be higher than a sheriff

Yeah. Good guess is she's a queen.

 

[Apollo]

I was wondering the same thing about godric/eric/sophie and their ages/power. Good now that this is answered .. what about that "official vampire" association?
That PR lady that had the talk with godric .. who is she? Is she .. kinda elected? What position does she have in the vampire hierarchy? She at least seems to be higher than a sheriff

The Vampire League of America is simply the public face of vampires. And Nan Flannigan is no more than a talking head. She has no real power to speak of, but because she is on TV and essentially the face of American vampires, she has a little pull on issues I am sure.

No the Queen/Kings, Sheriffs are still above her I imagine. Not sure about Sheriffs. She definitely has to respect and listen to the Kings/Queens, but she could ignore the Sheriffs if she wanted.

 

[Corny]

The Vampire League of America is simply the public face of vampires.

Well .. that much I got.

BUT .. there is nothing else about them.
Who decided to go public?
Why are they kinda powerful for the vampires although almost all vampires that we have met yet despise "true blood" and being public?
Either the southern vampires are different than most of their brethren or somebody really powerful hast to be behind that league ..

 

[Apollo]

Well .. that much I got.

BUT .. there is nothing else about them.
Who decided to go public?
Why are they kinda powerful for the vampires although almost all vampires that we have met yet despise "true blood" and being public?
Either the southern vampires are different than most of their brethren or somebody really powerful hast to be behind that league ..

The vamps decided to go public because Japan had developed synthetic blood capable of sustaining life for vampires. This way they wouldn't have to stay so secret, and be able to reap the economic benefits of simply being real vamps. In the book, the Sheriffs and Queens/Kings have highly lucrative businesses that are making them rich. Even those not in power.

I am assuming the Vamps didn't want to reveal their private governmental structure. Probably for fear that those who hate them would try and assassinate the Sheriffs and Queens/Kings, but also, I would imagine governments wouldn't take kindly to some other type of government under their own. So voila! Vampire League of America. A group that represents the interests of American Vamps in the human governments and to the public.

Of course none of the vamps truly like drinking ONLY True Blood. It's like becoming vegetarian agaisnt your will. But vamps are still allowed to feed on humans if they consent to it, or just don't get caught by both the humans and the vamps in power.

I remember in the books, one of the vamps was talking about how once the excitement of simply feeding wore off, the excitement lay in the hunt, the chase. Now it is no fun when humans just willing give themselves to you.

I think the League is most likely run by some vamps appointed by the rulers of the states? Or a consorted effort on the part of the Queens and Kings with Nan as the person running the day to day.

Of course, there could be a ruler of America we don't know about (in the books i havent read?) who knows.

 

[tHaTeViLmOnKeY]

So when the crimes or offenses are vampire-on-vampire related then the answer to that council but when they are public relations related then they answer to the league.

Essentially then, vampires are answering to someone at every corner just like humans. Interesting.

People are talking about a certain someone not surviving the finale because this certain someone has apparently joined the cast of an upcoming show on ABC. I don't know who it is myself and don't want to know but if it turns out this person does in fact die then wow that's quite the spoiler. Hopefully it's not a main character.

 

[fetaby]

Finally caught up on the past two episodes, and loved every minute of them.

For the people asking about the Queen,
However old she is gives plenty of time to read up and experience the world. Explaining her knowledge of maenads. At one point, even Bill flashed back to an illustration he saw in a book. If he's 140 and she's 400-1100 just think about all the archaic literature that is no longer in existence she would have access to. Her blaise attitude, after 400-1100 years I imagine one would be very accustomed to wearing masks, one the lil girl, two the political leader, three the percieved idleness of wealth and luxury, four the puppet master. Who can truly say what her charcter is all the way down.

Digging the gayness of the last episode, too many references to give a blow by blow account. But the writers did a good job of throwing it out there.
Exactly what the world needs, IMHO.

But one thing that freaked me out, random dude playing with organs whilst sitting naked in the kitchen sink. WTF, Found that more disturbing than Jane Bodehouse cutting off her finger claiming it was a present for the god.

And Maryann with the kevlar skin? Awesome, poor Carl!
But what I noticed and don't think many people feel the same, is when Sookie pushed her in the face. (awsome in and of itself) That she didn't seem particularly phased, more curious. She even said, "That was FUN, Teehee!" I don't think Sookie can hurt her physically, but that remains to be seen. And oh how I'm looking forward to that.

 

[clorox]

I wonder if Sookie is the real sacrifice that Maryann needs to summon the god that comes and that was why Maryann got kinda of excited. Sophie has said that nothing has worked in the past so maybe a fairy and not a shifter will work.

On the question of kings and queens it probably has to do with what other special abilities the vampires gain, or are enhanced, when they are changed. If Sophie can read the minds of all her children and see what they see, no one could easily plot against her using her own against her or kill her children without her knowing their identity.

Why is Sookie so important? Given what we know about makers, whoever turns Sookie will be quite powerful especially if her abilities expand to be able to read vampire minds.

 

[fetaby]

Good theories clorox, impressed here.

 

[Apollo]

So when the crimes or offenses are vampire-on-vampire related then the answer to that council but when they are public relations related then they answer to the league.

Essentially then, vampires are answering to someone at every corner just like humans. Interesting.

People are talking about a certain someone not surviving the finale because this certain someone has apparently joined the cast of an upcoming show on ABC. I don't know who it is myself and don't want to know but if it turns out this person does in fact die then wow that's quite the spoiler. Hopefully it's not a main character.

When it is a vampire on vampire crime or vampire on human, they answer to their sheriff or queen/king and the Magister. They don't have to answer to the League.

Well, thinking about it and the books, if it is vamp on human, they have to deal with the US justice system and then I guess the Magister doesn't get to do anything.

 

[Apollo]

I wonder if Sookie is the real sacrifice that Maryann needs to summon the god that comes and that was why Maryann got kinda of excited. Sophie has said that nothing has worked in the past so maybe a fairy and not a shifter will work.

On the question of kings and queens it probably has to do with what other special abilities the vampires gain, or are enhanced, when they are changed. If Sophie can read the minds of all her children and see what they see, no one could easily plot against her using her own against her or kill her children without her knowing their identity.

Why is Sookie so important? Given what we know about makers, whoever turns Sookie will be quite powerful especially if her abilities expand to be able to read vampire minds.

No she wants Sam. She has no idea what Sookie is and if she did, she would have no reason hide it from her. She controls the enitre city.

And she can't read their minds. She just has the power to keep them with her.

 

[clorox]

No she wants Sam. She has no idea what Sookie is and if she did, she would have no reason hide it from her. She controls the enitre city.

And she can't read their minds. She just has the power to keep them with her.

hide what from her? and I'm not certain what controlling the city has to do with anything.

Sophie says that Maenads are not smart and that they have already tried sacrificing shifters and weres, not vampires. Maryann must not really believe Sam is the one, she already had a shifter and killed her. From Maryann's interaction with Sookie, we see that Maryann knows that Sookie is supernatural, that is all that maenads require of their sacrifices, according to what we know of them. We also know that since Maryann doesn't know what Sookie is then it is possible that she has never met a fairy to sacrifice. The towns folk act as her familiars, I'm not sure what you were getting at with that. (I don't doubt that she wants Sam, I'm just saying the supernatural being that she needs to summon something that evil? probably requires the killing of something thought of as extremely pure.)

I misread wikipedia, I saw that she could communicate with her children telepathically and assumed she could read their minds. (Which as her children's maker, she could command them to tell her whatever she needs to know- not as instant as Sookie's power) Still it would make her far more powerful if she gained the other "half" of a telepath's abilities.

 

[Apollo]

hide what from her? and I'm not certain what controlling the city has to do with anything.

Sophie says that Maenads are not smart and that they have already tried sacrificing shifters and weres, not vampires. Maryann must not really believe Sam is the one, she already had a shifter and killed her. From Maryann's interaction with Sookie, we see that Maryann knows that Sookie is supernatural, that is all that maenads require of their sacrifices, according to what we know of them. We also know that since Maryann doesn't know what Sookie is then it is possible that she has never met a fairy to sacrifice. The towns folk act as her familiars, I'm not sure what you were getting at with that. (I don't doubt that she wants Sam, I'm just saying the supernatural being that she needs to summon something that evil? probably requires the killing of something thought of as extremely pure.)

I misread wikipedia, I saw that she could communicate with her children telepathically and assumed she could read their minds. (Which as her children's maker, she could command them to tell her whatever she needs to know- not as instant as Sookie's power) Still it would make her far more powerful if she gained the other "half" of a telepath's abilities.

Sookie hasn't been in Bon Temp for awhile now and she has been after Sam the entire time. She seems pretty set on Sam. Remember when she was angry that the people thought they had killed Sam. If she didn't care about him and was on Sookie all the way, she would be indifferent to Sam.

Daphne was a shifter yes, but I think she thinks Sam specifically is the vessel. As in, the person, not the thing that God can come through. I think they think it is a specific person who is a were or shifter.

Having read the books, I am going to spoil a little.

Later in the books, Sookie gets a fairy godmother. She explains how she is a basic fairy from which all other elf and fairy type creatures emerge. Angels, demons, water sprits, green men, brownies etc.

I don't think it would be too hard for Maryann to run into a fairy of some type.

Also, I don't think the God is evil. It's supposed to be Dionysus to be honest. Maenads were Dionysus' hand maidens blah blah but he eventually left or whatever. Anyway, they don't see what they are doing as evil. If you listen to Maryann, she truly believes in this stuff with taking away humans inhibitions.

All makers can communicate with their children telepathically. Not actual words, but when they want them to come back to them they can do it in some weird way that their children knows and are compelled to listen to them. But Sophie has a extra ability to keep her children with her for as long as she wants. Most maker and children seperate very quickly after turned.

Anyway, I don't think she will turn Sookie, or Sookie would let her to be honest. Sookie is only still alive because she cannot read a vampires mind. If she could, they would have killed her fast. A lot of vamps have agenda's and less care for not killing someone, even if they would have to go before the Magister or their Sheriff, King/Queen.

 

[Ram]

Spoiler questions, you whores, so don't read -- and try to catch up :

I don't get how Maryann is associated with Daphne.

1) Was Daphne Maryann's subservient sidekick?

2) Daphne had wounds on her back, similar to that of Sookie's, and yet she was fine; and I guess that somehow it influenced her to help Maryann. So was Maryann trying to recruit Sookie? Mind you, Daphne didn't had any zombie black eyes and for some reason she was quietly obeying Maryann.

3) She didn't sacrifice Daphne (but she did kill her). What's the deal with that? Daphne was a shifter after all. And why kill her? She wasn't fucking things up like Tara.

4) Season 1: Tara was drunk and she crashed her car because she saw Maryann's naked bloody ass and that giant pig. Is it safe to assume that Maryann killed the voodoo-pharmacist asst. before her encounter with drunk Tara in car?

Was I typing in Maryann's Latin-like language because I swear my questions were posed in English. The least you guys could have done is just quote it and tell me to read the fucking book and go stake myself. What am I? -- the Detective Bellefleur of this forum?

1) In the last episode, it is so obvious Maryann will choose Sookie over Sam for the sacrifice after the gay disco neon lights thing she did with her hands.

2) Eggs will die. The actor is so fine btw.

3) You know what is funny? People thinking Eggs crapped that egg out. But people forget Tara is the one with the vagina. I think she went all hen in a coop on that bed. After all, she ate a human heart with Eggs, and [STRIKE]God[/STRIKE] Dionysus knows how many times they have fucked. I believe the egg on the bed was a supernatural mistake by two humans with zombie eyes, drugged up by a human heart. Boy, that's a sentence I don't often say.

4) In season 1, the Maryann and Godric story arcs were present in the last few episodes. For season 2, we saw the Queen and the egg on the bed. Chances are, Season 3 will be all about the Queen (yeah!) and the egg (boo!).

 

[Apollo]

Was I typing in Maryann's Latin-like language because I swear my questions were posed in English. The least you guys could have done is just quote it and tell me to read the fucking book and go stake myself. What am I? -- the Detective Bellefleur of this forum?

1) In the last episode, it is so obvious Maryann will choose Sookie over Sam for the sacrifice after the gay disco neon lights thing she did with her hands.

2) Eggs will die. The actor is so fine btw.

3) You know what is funny? People thinking Eggs crapped that egg out. But people forget Tara is the one with the vagina. I think she went all hen in a coop on that bed. After all, she ate a human heart with Eggs, and [STRIKE]God[/STRIKE] Dionysus knows how many times they have fucked. I believe the egg on the bed was a supernatural mistake by two humans with zombie eyes, drugged up by a human heart. Boy, that's a sentence I don't often say.

4) In season 1, the Maryann and Godric story arcs were present in the last few episodes. For season 2, we saw the Queen and the egg on the bed. Chances are, Season 3 will be all about the Queen (yeah!) and the egg (boo!).

Naaaa, next season will be about Mississippi vamps and the Queen. The egg is the end of the Maryann story arch as the end of this season is about Maryann and the egg is a Maryann plot device.

It is so not obvious she will want Sookie over Sam. Especially when she still very much wants Sam. But we will see in two weeks. Might explain Sookie's dress and leaf crown thingy

But yeah, read the book on Mississippi to see the basis that next season will be on. I wonder how AB will do it? And I can't wait to see who plays Alcide Herveaux, Debbie Pelt and Russell Edington (King of Mississippi)

 

[Ram]

But I think you're on to something regarding Sookie becoming the offering instead of Sam. That would explain the trailer with Bill being his usual assholy self, forcing Sam to become the offering. (God, I hate Bill).

I suspect the enormous egg belongs to Bill because in the trailer he looks and sounds less annoying so I guess someone finally forced out the large object lodged up his arse all this time.

 

[Ram]

More naked Eric!!!

Yeshua, babe, darling can you post an Eric spoiler for me? Pm? I am so in love with his character I need to know how he develops. Wikipedia is amazingly outdated!