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Healthcare going forward

...Look for exploding prices, more declines in offerings, millions of more uninsured, closings of hospitals (particularly rural) and an explosion in the price of Medicaid. Of course the Medicaid price explosion will give Paul Ryan the perfect opening to offer "vouchers" instead of coverage.
One statistic that doesn't get much coverage is that rural hospital failures have accelerated since the ACA passed but there's a twist on the reason why:
Since the passage of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA) in March of 2010, the number of rural hospitals closing per year has significantly increased, from three (3) rural hospitals closing in 2010 to seventeen (17) rural hospitals closing in 2015, out of a total of 2,258 rural hospitals in the U.S. in 2015. This alarming trend in the increased closure rate of rural hospitals has continued into 2016, with eleven (11) rural hospitals closing from January to May of 2016. Of the total number of rural hospital closings since 2010, approximately 85% of the closings occurred in states that have not, or had yet to, expand the Medicaid programs in their state.
Source

The Medicaid expansion didn't just benefit the uninsured patients. It also benefited the hospitals that are legally required to treat everyone- whether they are insured or not. In many of these small towns, the hospital is the largest employer, so these failures and any future failures will increase unemployment in those states that have not accepted the Medicaid expansion.
 
One statistic that doesn't get much coverage is that rural hospital failures have accelerated since the ACA passed but there's a twist on the reason why:
Source

The Medicaid expansion didn't just benefit the uninsured patients. It also benefited the hospitals that are legally required to treat everyone- whether they are insured or not. In many of these small towns, the hospital is the largest employer, so these failures and any future failures will increase unemployment in those states that have not accepted the Medicaid expansion.

Medicaid may be a factor but not necesarily so. Increased regulation and paperwork is another possibility. Have expenses gone up ? Regulations cost money. How many small towns have lost doctors? Rural hospital closings existed prior to ACA and have continued.
 
Medicaid may be a factor but not necesarily so. Increased regulation and paperwork is another possibility. Have expenses gone up ? Regulations cost money. How many small towns have lost doctors? Rural hospital closings existed prior to ACA and have continued.
The consensus is that Medicaid is the culprit in the accelerated closings. The states- particularly those in the South- that have the highest rates of failure are the states that did not participate in Medicaid expansion. Again, the article clearly stated:
...approximately 85% of the closings occurred in states that have not, or had yet to, expand the Medicaid programs in their state.

If the issue were not Medicaid-related, the failure rate would be uniform since every state in the US has rural hospitals. Unfortunately for the uninsured, the states with a disproportionate share of uninsured patients and patients who subsist below the federal poverty level (FPL) are in states with Republican governors who did not expand Medicaid in their state:
Southern states have especially high rates of vulnerability when compared to their total number of rural hospitals. States in this region with high rates of vulnerability include Mississippi (79 percent), Louisiana (58 percent) and Georgia (53 percent).
Source Source

Disproportionate Share (DSH) is a key concept in rural hospital reimbursement. Any hospital that sees a large number of uninsured patients or private pay patients can seek additional funding from the government to help these hospitals maintain financial solvency. University Hospitals, public health hospitals and rural hospitals receive funds from the federal government under the Disproportionate Share program.

When the ACA went into affect, because there was a mandate for patients above the FPL to carry private insurance and because Medicaid was expanded to cover the "working poor" who were employed but could not afford private insurance, the assumption was that the Disproportionate Share funds would be lowered. This was a double-whammy for those states whose governors and legislators who did not accept Medicaid expansion: these hospitals are receiving less DSH funds and they are still having to treat uninsured patients in their emergency rooms. Often these uninsured patients come to the hospitals when they are critically ill because they could not afford less expensive primary care early in their illness or because they were unable to afford medications like insulin or blood pressure medication that may have prevented them from getting sicker.

Kentucky provides a good case study of the effects of the ACA and Medicaid expansion. In 2014, hospitals in Kentucky were worried that the increased number of Medicaid patients would bankrupt hospitals in rural areas. They were seeing many sick patients who were seeking care because they were now able to pay for that care under Kentucky's Kynect Medicaid program. In 2015, Kentucky hospitals had $552 million in charity care costs, compared with $2.4 billion four years ago. By 2016, the situation had turned around- hospital reimbursement was up and Medicaid patients had shifted to primary care. The patients in Kentucky were seeing physicians in their office instead of using the Emergency Rooms as primary care clinics. There were patients who were interviewed for a study of Kynect who stated that they used to go to the emergency room 3-4 times per month before they went on Medicaid; now they see their physician on a regular basis. This is also born out in key metrics like measures of blood sugar in diabetics- by using primary care and home medications to keep blood sugar under control, the number of times that these patients used emergency care services was greatly reduced.

Kentucky's Republican governor is now trying to find ways to improve the Kynect program instead of repealing it. They're looking at making Medicaid work more like a traditional insurance program with affordable copays and coinsurance where the patient pays a reasonable portion of the cost of their healthcare. They will probably switch patients to using the federal exchange instead of running a separate state exchange.
 
Medicaid may be a factor but not necesarily so. Increased regulation and paperwork is another possibility. Have expenses gone up ? Regulations cost money. How many small towns have lost doctors? Rural hospital closings existed prior to ACA and have continued.

And a lot of that is due to the de facto monopoly the AMA holds over the supply of doctors.

Which is why one market approach to this would be to dethrone the AMA from its control and provide funding for at least one additional major medical school per state (which actually wouldn't be enough to keep the supply constant as elderly doctors start retiring).

Besides that, hospitals should be counted a matter of national security; in a real disaster we have nowhere near enough beds. Auditing the Pentagon would uncover enough to make sure we have a hospital in every county with a population of 5k or more, and then increase the number of beds by a third everywhere.
 
these hospitals are receiving less DSH funds and they are still having to treat uninsured patients in their emergency rooms. Often these uninsured patients come to the hospitals when they are critically ill because they could not afford less expensive primary care early in their illness or because they were unable to afford medications
Just-you-wait...just like the rest of us wait and see it happen.

I predict the Republicans will repeal that law, removing hospitals from the mandate to treat the indigent and uninsured.

I have STILL never seen anybody propose that, but I've been saying if for at least seven or eight years. Until now, however, since the Republicans went batshit crazy after the 2008 elections and have never since looked back, there was never the "perfect storm" of the House, the Senate, and the President, ALL being Republican.

It is far more convenient to simply let the poor sick people DIE QUICKLY.

It's a double blessing for them, too, because it will include so many of the groups the Republican power structure HATES - first-generation immigrants and unregistered aliens, the "lowlifes in the ghetto," (as they would say) etc. It's a great way to get rid of Democrats.

Of course there would be a lot of collateral damage; Republicans will die from this, too.
 
conservative congress critters have finally revealed their replacement for the PPACA ](*,)
Not to worry. It's DOA.

The CBO hasn't scored it and since it repeals all the taxes that kept the ACA budget-neutral, it won't score well. They don't have the votes... even within their own party.
 
conservative congress critters have finally revealed their replacement for the PPACA ](*,)

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...cans_reveal_obamacare_repeal_and_replace_bill

Oh JOY!! Now, if you don't have health insurance coverage for more than 2 months, you will pay a 30% surcharge on one's premiums :rolleyes: Instead of paying a penalty to the U.S. government, you'll now enrich the insurance companies :rotflmao:

I see that TrumpCo...who also have really offered nothing of substance as their Fabulous, Wonderful, Yuge replacement for the ACA....have not really offered support for the Republican Plan.

That has to hurt.
 
I see that TrumpCo...who also have really offered nothing of substance as their Fabulous, Wonderful, Yuge replacement for the ACA....have not really offered support for the Republican Plan.

That has to hurt.

If you are claiming to understand the plan please explain it in detail to us. Will it prevent obamacare from failing?
 
No. I have no idea how you spun your claim out of my post about Trump's reticence to appear fully behind the Republican plan put forward by Ryan.

I'm saying that TrumpCo., (who have today now given more emphatic support to the congressional plan) have been promising for months and months that they had something so incredibly wonderful to put forward as a health plan.

Even last week, we were supposed to be seeing something out of the White House.

Now it looks like, once gain, Trump had no ideas to actually offer on health care reform and figures he's off the hook if the Republicans in the legislature do all the work.

He also is keeping enough distance from it so that when it implodes in Congress....he can say that it wasn't his plan at all.

As far as the principles of RyanCo.'s health go...it isn't very complicated. There are lots of places to get info. I've read a lot of these.

You can too.

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourcei...&ie=UTF-8#q=republican+healthcare+plan+2017&*
 
If you are claiming to understand the plan please explain it in detail to us. Will it prevent obamacare from failing?

Actually if one calls insuring 26 million more American's "failure; if stabilizing rural hospitals and health care systems for the first time in more than a decade "failure"; if eliminating junk health care plans that covered little if a person got sick is "failure", if saving the Medicaid system through a reduction in expenditures of $750 million is "failure", and if reducing the losses of cities for operating ambulance services for the first time since fire based EMS started is "failure" -- then by all means, the ACA is a failure. What needed to be completed in ACA is to bulk purchase drugs, limit profits of insurance companies further (I notice the new Republican plan eliminates penalties for paying for executive salaries and other perks besides benefits -- and the insurers are smiling), and determine payment based on outcomes. None of those things will ever pass Congress.

The Republican plan very much looks like "Back to the Future" and in this case pre-ACA. For people like me, the HSA and tax credits will leave me just fine. For those who struggle to save a dollar now or that are living paycheck to paycheck -- there are always corners to die on. And eliminating Planned Parenthood and returning people to ER's is just a fine solution to a system that was just starting to get healthy.

It's now Trumpcare and owned by Republicans. If prices soar and people are thrown off plans -- everyone needs to remember who brought on this misery.
 
Unfortunately obamacare is so unprofitable for the insurance companies that many have left it. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-02-16/another-sign-that-obamacare-exchanges-are-collapsing
Thus my question was whether the GOP plans will keep obamacare from collapsing. It appears now that the Republicans will have difficulty arriving at an agreed plan and that obamacare will fail by default.

Why would they stay in the exchange when they're getting the promise of untold riches from senators and their own strategists if they break it?
 
...if eliminating junk health care plans that covered little if a person got sick is "failure"
It's interesting that Rand Paul and Tom Price keep bring up "insurance choice" and "high risk pools" to revive those plans that had low lifetime max and high deductibles. Very few providers would accept those plans before the ACA eliminated them altogether.

...And eliminating Planned Parenthood and returning people to ER's is just a fine solution to a system that was just starting to get healthy.
The $500 million in Medicaid services that goes to Planned Parenthood for women's well-care cannot be replaced by the existing system, so you are correct- the burden will shift to the emergency rooms and the already overburdened public health clinics.

...if saving the Medicaid system through a reduction in expenditures of $750 million is "failure",
One thing also to add that is a very important change from the ACA: it eliminated the segregation of medical and mental health services. All ACA plans had to cover mental health services under the medical benefit.

Why is this important? Because we have a jail system that is full of people who should be in drug and alcohol rehab programs. And we have a problem with opiate addictions in the very southern and midwestern states that elected Trump. By eliminating Medicaid coverage for these patients, we will shift the burden back to the very expensive criminal justice system.


There were some interesting articles in the press over the past year about how profitable some of the ACA plans were for the insurance companies. In the case of Aetna, they were caught lying to the press about why they pulled out from the Obamacare exchanges.... turns out they were trying to coerce the Justice Department into approving the merger with Humana.

Judge: Aetna lied about quitting Obamacare
A federal judge has ruled that Aetna wasn't being truthful when the health insurer said last summer that its decision to pull out of most Obamacare exchanges was strictly a business decision triggered by mounting losses.

U.S. District Judge John Bates concluded this week that Aetna's real motivation for dropping Obamacare coverage in several states was "specifically to evade judicial scrutiny" over its merger with Humana.

Last summer, Aetna explained its decision to withdraw from most Obamacare exchanges by saying its individual policies business had lost $430 million since the exchanges opened in January 2014.

However, the judge noted that Aetna kept its support for exchanges in money-losing states like Delaware, Iowa and Virginia -- but dumped Florida, even though that big state was projected to be profitable in 2016.
 
:rotflmao:

So, so far, everyone hates it.

Trumpcare or Ryancare will be their undoing.
 
conservative congress critters have finally revealed their replacement for the PPACA ](*,)

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...cans_reveal_obamacare_repeal_and_replace_bill

Oh JOY!! Now, if you don't have health insurance coverage for more than 2 months, you will pay a 30% surcharge on one's premiums :rolleyes: Instead of paying a penalty to the U.S. government, you'll now enrich the insurance companies :rotflmao:

I love this comment -- it has to be sarcasm:

"Instead of paying a tax to the government, which is tyranny, you'll pay a penalty to a corp, which is freedom."
 
Actually if one calls insuring 26 million more American's "failure; if stabilizing rural hospitals and health care systems for the first time in more than a decade "failure"; if eliminating junk health care plans that covered little if a person got sick is "failure", if saving the Medicaid system through a reduction in expenditures of $750 million is "failure", and if reducing the losses of cities for operating ambulance services for the first time since fire based EMS started is "failure" -- then by all means, the ACA is a failure. What needed to be completed in ACA is to bulk purchase drugs, limit profits of insurance companies further (I notice the new Republican plan eliminates penalties for paying for executive salaries and other perks besides benefits -- and the insurers are smiling), and determine payment based on outcomes. None of those things will ever pass Congress.

The Republican plan very much looks like "Back to the Future" and in this case pre-ACA. For people like me, the HSA and tax credits will leave me just fine. For those who struggle to save a dollar now or that are living paycheck to paycheck -- there are always corners to die on. And eliminating Planned Parenthood and returning people to ER's is just a fine solution to a system that was just starting to get healthy.

It's now Trumpcare and owned by Republicans. If prices soar and people are thrown off plans -- everyone needs to remember who brought on this misery.

On ambulances especially I have to agree; thanks to the ACA, we have enough ambulances to serve our town.

As for saving.... I'm still working on paying off medical debt from years ago. That's why I've always laughed at the health savings account idea -- those who can afford to have one generally won't need one.
 
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