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Help me understand that in our society of entitlement we have people who are poor.

in terms of falling back on the family , I think you could make a case that Western society is progressively moving toward personal individual financial independence , the first event I think being financial obligation to the elderly-your parents , the second in the recent past the spouse ( divorce settlements alimony is in decline ) , the last I project being child support and possibly something in the future dealing with the laws of inheritance . I posit the idea of "fairness" is very considerable .
 
PreTTy PeTe said:
the poor have infiltrated the earth. yea 99% of the population is poor I hear.
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My country has quite a high number of poor people and the number doesn't even reach 50 :rolleyes:

youfiad said:
I am actually not in favor of universal health care... It's something on which I disagree often with many progressives. I am actually very -small government-. Nevertheless, I do believe that the government should take care of all under 18 and after that, evolution will take its course. People need to prepare for hard times and stop expecting everybody to always be there for them.....
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Until they are old, disabled, cannot earn money for themselves, and/or have don't have a relative to rely on, then we throw the people fulfilling the criteria to be ground into dog food.

Even families have their limits and the norms differ for each society. We cannot just force some kind of a universal list of norms and values to avoid this. Maybe in a better world.

In the end, humans are social creatures.
 
In the western world it's not fair to say someone has enough simply because they have some extra weight on when you can get unhealthy food for very little money.

I had to cut my grocery spending by about 1/3 this year to make ends meet and the moment I did that I started gaining weight since my diet isn't as diverse and healthy as it used to be.

As someone who lives on welfare and knows other people who do... I can tell you that for most people it is a difficult step to take and one they are forced to take instead of it being a preference. Most people who have been unemployed or forced to retire early will become very depressed in matter of months (more so if they already were). It's not really a "yay free money" type of feeling. It is hard and depressing to not have a role in society and have to rely on others.

Of course this does not apply to everyone but I do believe it's the case for a big majority. It makes me really sad how many people would rather focus on the rotten apples in the group and even use it as an argument against helping the less fortunate. Maybe it is too easy to get on the program in some places but you can speak against that without talking down everybody who needs assistance.

It could happen to you and it could happen to someone you love. If you are unhappy about paying too much tax then I'm sure you can find plenty of less important things the government should rather cut down the spending on.
 
The choice between helping the truly needy and cutting off the parasitic scum is easy, implimenting that choice ....not so much.
When I see some woman with multiple bastard children, all from different men, living off "public assistance" it turns my stomach.
It's not "public assistance" it's a career choice. And it's sickening. I'm not saying they are the only offenders, corporations are just as bad, just not as "in your face".
BUT, we can't forget about, or turn our backs on people, who through no fault of their own, are truly in need. When I see homeless Vets, old people who've outlived their retirement, kids born with medical problems (or to welfair moms), displaced workers,ect, I think we don't do enough.
So on balance, I'm willing to finance the irresponsible decisions of a class of scum, in order to help the truly needy when we can, how we can.
 
What I really love about this thread is that it is another showcase for just how dark the hearts and minds of Grimshaw and Benvolio can be.
 
rareboy said:
What I really love about this thread is that it is another showcase for just how dark the hearts and minds of Grimshaw and Benvolio can be.
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Me? Dark? I am the one with a concrete suggestion guaranteed to improve the condition of our poor and unemployed. It is the liberals who are indifferent to poverty. Sure they hate the rich, but that is not the same as caring about the poor.
 
Benvolio said:
Me? Dark? I am the one with a concrete suggestion guaranteed to improve the condition of our poor and unemployed. It is the liberals who are indifferent to poverty. Sure they hate the rich, but that is not the same as caring about the poor.
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You mentioned illegal immigration. Who's hiring them? People giving to the DNC? Give us a break.
 
How about the mentally or physically disable. I wonder how people feel with them on goverment assistants?
 
xbuzzerx said:
If I recall correctly the cost of keeping someone incarcerated costs more per year than the median income of a full time working person so... it is definitely a huge cost we don't talk about.
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DEFinitely! Who pays for them?
 
The Fly said:
The choice between helping the truly needy and cutting off the parasitic scum is easy, implimenting that choice ....not so much.
When I see some woman with multiple bastard children, all from different men, living off "public assistance" it turns my stomach.
It's not "public assistance" it's a career choice. And it's sickening. I'm not saying they are the only offenders, corporations are just as bad, just not as "in your face".
BUT, we can't forget about, or turn our backs on people, who through no fault of their own, are truly in need. When I see homeless Vets, old people who've outlived their retirement, kids born with medical problems (or to welfair moms), displaced workers,ect, I think we don't do enough.
So on balance, I'm willing to finance the irresponsible decisions of a class of scum, in order to help the truly needy when we can, how we can.
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They are bringing innocent children into the world who need to be taken care of. Referring to them as scum helps to enable a cycle of poverty.

We are as strong as our weakest link.
 
Nobody chooses to be poor. Poverty is created by the rich, by taking more than their share.
 
pat grimshaw said:
So why pay them good money to produce weak links?
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Hardball...eh? OK. As I tell my staunch conservative friends...you don't like the sound of "assistance"? Think of it as insurance instead.

Bottom line...when 10% of the people own 90% of the wealth...and 90% of the people own 10% of the wealth...there is this little thing called revolution.

In the meantime...what exactly do you think people who cannot eat or put a roof over their head are going to do?
 
eastofeden said:
Hardball...eh? OK. As I tell my staunch conservative friends...you don't like the sound of "assistance"? Think of it as insurance instead.

Bottom line...when 10% of the people own 90% of the wealth...and 90% of the people own 10% of the wealth...there is this little thing called revolution.

In the meantime...what exactly do you think people who cannot eat or put a roof over their head are going to do?
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In Pat's world, be sterilized by force I suppose.
 
eastofeden said:
......there is this little thing called revolution. ..
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Such as the "Occupy movement"?

I got the impression they were middle-class students who slept through the economics classes in high school. The genuine poor are pacified by welfare so they can have sex and do drugs.
 
pat grimshaw said:
Such as the "Occupy movement"?

I got the impression they were middle-class students who slept through the economics classes in high school. The genuine poor are pacified by welfare so they can have sex and do drugs.
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You sidestepped his point.
 
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