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Help me understand that in our society of entitlement we have people who are poor.

Sterilisation is painless. I know two guys who've had it done. Pretty Pete can tell you about the problems caused by unwanted sprogs.

Of course this ignores the ethical implications of sterilizing people against their will, and the fact that it's considered a genocidal practice in much of the civilized world.

It also presupposes that the simple fact of having born into poverty necessitates someone's permanent and guaranteed remainder in some kind of dependant underclass that never contributes anything, when we have a wealth of history of great figures and world changers who were driven and motivated particularly because of their humble or difficult backgrounds.

Or in other words one would have to be a lazy thinker who believes in genetic predestiny or that poverty has a hard link to quality, merit or genetic destiny in order to think a system of forced sterilization is a good idea, or a morally justifiable one. Do such people exist in the 21st century western world? Oh, hi Pat.
 
^ Nice theories. But you both should spend time with Pretty Pete and his night-time patrols helping to feed the poor of the city.
 
^ Nice theories. But you both should spend time with Pretty Pete and his night-time patrols helping to feed the poor of the city.

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I know you're dying to say it Pat. Come out and tell us why we should take those poor, worthless welfare people of color and sterilize them. You're all over these threads, what you gravitate towards is pretty predictable.
 
I read somewhere about the poor that we'll always have them with us. Kind of like the party guest that shows up early and [STRIKE]is the last one to[/STRIKE] never leaves.
 
^ Both Pete and I have spent years in welfare work-- voluntarily and/or on a salary.

I wish the bleeding hearts and the theorists would practice what they preach. I wish some of them could actually practice their theories by adopting some of the 'disadvantaged people they're crying over and have them move into their house.
 
^ Both Pete and I have spent years in welfare work-- voluntarily and/or on a salary.

I wish the bleeding hearts and the theorists would practice what they preach. I wish some of them could actually practice their theories by adopting some of the 'disadvantaged people they're crying over and have them move into their house.

I don't need to "adopt" people I know in real life like my own aunt, who received assistance when she came down with breast cancer while she was a single mother with 3 kids.

Also sterilizing her wouldn't have helped anyone or anything. But I'm sure you have some other creative final solution in mind for people like that.
 
^ Did she have those 3 kids with the same man? Just asking.

Yes, and they divorced and he has been on various kinds of aid because of mental problems he has suffered with for his entire life because of the Vietnam War.
 
Ixthrock, during the 1940s, a lot of people pined with nostalgia over the Victorian days, in which everybody had maids.

But somebody forgot the fact that...

....somebody had to BE the maid.

:)

Of course "the poor will always be with us"! Somebody has to do the doggone work!.

An awful lot of wealthy people develop tunnel vision on this matter.
I hope you don;t mind me bringing personal asides into the public arena

(yeh see, y'all, JB worried he'd made me look bad misconstruing this post; which I don't think happened - his reply was right on target and in-line with the sense in which I meant it.)

for context, the line appears several times in the bible - some skank came under fire for anointing Jeebus with some pricey perfume: "the money could have been spent on the poor!" is roughly what her detractors were saying, to which Jeebus replied, "the poor you will have with you always, while I am here for a limited time only! and if you act now, we'll throw in TWO salvations for the price of 1!"

you see, johann, I can do more to make myself look terrible than your spot-on replies could ever hope to accomplish.
 
How about the mentally or physically disable. I wonder how people feel with them on goverment assistants?

isn't there any asylums for them.

they are of no use to society.

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We humans are supposed to stick together.

One of the worst most insidious ways to undermine social solidarity is to turn a blind eye to corruption in services to poor people. Most supporters of a social safety net know many honest, diligent, careful, thrifty people whose life circumstances have just wiped them out.

Most critics of a social safety net know at least one lazy, useless, parasitic scam artist who doesn't need any help but always manages to get it.

That individual usually doesn't concern the progressives. They do the math and figure there's less corruption in the welfare office than the average boardroom. But that is why they fail. People who abuse social safety nets need to be made an example of and things need to be made very unpleasant for them. By dealing with the abuse harshly, it cuts the legs out from under the only argument that people ever listen to made by opponents of a shared civilisation.

The average citizen is willing to throw all the poor people under the bus to get one manipulative cheater. If we get that bastard first, everyone will calm down and get on with it.

I disagree. The state sponsored benefit/low income subvention system is extremely well designed, precisely to ensure that dishonest people have a very difficult time exploiting it. Frequent psychological and medical evaluations, reviews from social workers, police and charity organizations, income controls and compulsory back-to-work schemes... Cheating the welfare system is extremely difficult, and it takes a particularly skilled con artist to do so. However, many of them are found out more often than we know, and just because their picture isn't published in newspapers and they are not publicly punished, doesn't mean that measures aren't taken to make them pay for the abuses they've committed.

I know several social workers, and the proportion of people who are actually cheating the system (at least in the UK), is not even 0.5% of all those who desperately need government assistance. The fact that the media, which is controlled by the same greedy psychopaths who have nearly destroyed the entire planet's economy, constantly promote the idea that there is a very large amount of benefit "scroungers" who have villas in the Antilles and lead lives of luxury at the expense of the middle and lower classes, doesn't make this notion a reality. Besides, the amount of money that a benefit cheater can get is nothing compared to the subventions, gold-plated pensions and bonuses received by many executives from multinationals and financial institutions, who are literally rewarded for their incompetence and mishandling of other people's vital resources. By demonizing the poor and those who supposedly cheat tax payers from what is, in reality, small change, the attention is diverted from the truly atrocious behaviour of many of our society's supposedly cream of the crop.

This is only a matter of approach to a phenomenon, really: as a society, we are taught that, if you are poor and break the law, you deserve punishment. If you are rich, however, you can get away with anything because, obviously, the fact that you are rich entitles you to do exactly what you want, plus you can pay people who will go to any lengths necessary to hide inconvenient truths about your execrable self. That's why so many people are so obsessed with petty benefit cheaters, but don't really pay any attention to the horrible crimes perpetrated by the crooks who truly govern us, and control the politicians who pretend to represent us.

In short, the only bastards we should truly seek to get are the ones who are driven around in chauffeured limousines, waste up to £10,000 on a single jacket and seem to believe that completely destroying other people's lives is just one of their many rights as members of the privileged classes. People who cheat on welfare are difficult to actually find, and they have it incredibly difficult anyway.
 
I disagree. The state sponsored benefit/low income subvention system is extremely well designed, precisely to ensure that dishonest people have a very difficult time exploiting it. Frequent psychological and medical evaluations, reviews from social workers, police and charity organizations, income controls and compulsory back-to-work schemes... Cheating the welfare system is extremely difficult, and it takes a particularly skilled con artist to do so. However, many of them are found out more often than we know, and just because their picture isn't published in newspapers and they are not publicly punished, doesn't mean that measures aren't taken to make them pay for the abuses they've committed.

I know several social workers, and the proportion of people who are actually cheating the system (at least in the UK), is not even 0.5% of all those who desperately need government assistance. The fact that the media, which is controlled by the same greedy psychopaths who have nearly destroyed the entire planet's economy, constantly promote the idea that there is a very large amount of benefit "scroungers" who have villas in the Antilles and lead lives of luxury at the expense of the middle and lower classes, doesn't make this notion a reality. Besides, the amount of money that a benefit cheater can get is nothing compared to the subventions, gold-plated pensions and bonuses received by many executives from multinationals and financial institutions, who are literally rewarded for their incompetence and mishandling of other people's vital resources. By demonizing the poor and those who supposedly cheat tax payers from what is, in reality, small change, the attention is diverted from the truly atrocious behaviour of many of our society's supposedly cream of the crop.

This is only a matter of approach to a phenomenon, really: as a society, we are taught that, if you are poor and break the law, you deserve punishment. If you are rich, however, you can get away with anything because, obviously, the fact that you are rich entitles you to do exactly what you want, plus you can pay people who will go to any lengths necessary to hide inconvenient truths about your execrable self. That's why so many people are so obsessed with petty benefit cheaters, but don't really pay any attention to the horrible crimes perpetrated by the crooks who truly govern us, and control the politicians who pretend to represent us.

In short, the only bastards we should truly seek to get are the ones who are driven around in chauffeured limousines, waste up to £10,000 on a single jacket and seem to believe that completely destroying other people's lives is just one of their many rights as members of the privileged classes. People who cheat on welfare are difficult to actually find, and they have it incredibly difficult anyway.

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You mentioned illegal immigration. Who's hiring them? People giving to the DNC? Give us a break.

The point is that the primary reason we have poor is that we import new poor people by the millions each year.
 
No your economical structure relies on millions of people being on very low-income.

Importing people is just a way to make sure a higher percentage of the native born people don't have to take on that role.
 
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