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Hide the 'niggers!'

I think...

  • ...it's a travesty for such an important work to be censored like this.

    Votes: 80 87.0%
  • ...the replacement of the two controversial words is a terrific idea.

    Votes: 8 8.7%
  • ...Gribben and La Rosa are TOTALLY fucking, and that explains this whole sorry affair.

    Votes: 4 4.3%

  • Total voters
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Oh my gosh

what shall I do.

It is 2011 and I don't fit in.

I am not yellow

I am not brown

I am not black

I am not red.

I am white......a honkie, a gwailo, a, a, a oh fuck

lets face it....I am a minority a douchebag shit scum of a

pigmentation challenged low-life. Oh fuck, what is really

humiliating is I am also an American, over 50 and a veteran.

The sins of the father et cetera et cetera..ad nauseum.
 
I am a minority a douchebag shit scum of a

pigmentation challenged low-life. Oh fuck, what is really

humiliating is I am also an American, over 50 and a veteran.

The sins of the father et cetera et cetera..ad nauseum.

Lefty, you are a douche bag but not for any of the reasons you listed here! (*8*) (*8*) :badgrin: (*8*) (*8*)
 
This is ridiculous.

Huck Finn is set in an environment where slavery was accepted and racism was universal. You can't portray such an environment without using the language it used.

Huck comes to see Jim's humanity despite being steeped in that environment, and even using the racist language himself. He overcomes his environment, his training, and his own abusive family to get to that realization.

Leaving out the N word completely undermines the point of a deeply anti-slavery (and to a lesser extent, anti-racist) novel. It's just stupid.

This thread, however, should not use the word. This is the 21st Century, and in this time the use of the N word on a website draws the wrong kind of attention.
 
On a slightly different plane or level, I wonder if anyone finds the terms 'f-word'

or 'n-word' or 'c-word' to be even more offensive than the originals.

To me hearing fuck can be unpleasant but some one saying or writing

"the f-word' is like pouring gasoline on the fire......like taking a broken arm and

cutting it off rather than just letting it heal

Just Me?:confused:
 
On a slightly different plane or level, I wonder if anyone finds the terms 'f-word'

or 'n-word' or 'c-word' to be even more offensive than the originals.

To me hearing fuck can be unpleasant but some one saying or writing

"the f-word' is like pouring gasoline on the fire......like taking a broken arm and

cutting it off rather than just letting it heal

Just Me?:confused:

No, you and He Who Must Not Be Named agree! ..|
 
If he who must not be named is who I think it is,

I may have to examine and re-evaluate my entire

lifestyle and philosophy.:eek:
 
If he who must not be named is who I think it is,

I may have to examine and re-evaluate my entire

lifestyle and philosophy.:eek:

You should be doing this anyway. ;)

Gee, I just thought he was alluding to Jasun since you were talking about the F-word. . .

#-o Ugh, OMG, stay current fuckers, it's Vo- VO -VOLDEMORT!!!1!
 
You can blame the economy for this thread. Too much time and too little to actually worry oneself with.

I can't wait until these unemployment numbers come down.
 
Ok, ok, I forgot about the Potter cult.

I've never seen one of those movies, but I have seen excerpts, so had heard that allusion once.

Thanks for schooling me.

Gah, leave the movies in hollywood, and read the books instead. This is a literary thread after all. :p

But seriously, the idea that self censorship of his name somehow mitigated the effect of his presence is preposterous, as with the case of this proposal.
 
The study of literature after the earliest stages has little to do with the teaching of moral lessons. To the contrary, it is focused on the creation of character, the development of plot, the treatment of conflict, and the presentation of themes.
Unfortunately, it seems that many students from the middle school level all the way through undergrad seem to think that "theme" (a word that my college professors absolutely despised) is synonymous with "moral," and they base their analytical essays and even research papers on this premise.
 
When I used to teach the novel at the high school level, I would tell the students ahead of time that we would be reading it, and that it is a controversial book because of some of the language in it. Then, on the day when we would start the novel, I let them know we would have a discussion first, and if anyone decided after the discussion that he or she would prefer to, I would offer them a different novel to read and journal about.

Then I lifted the projector screen, and on the board was the question, "What Is Offensive?" Also on the board were the words: nigger, bitch, kike, spic, retard, chink, faggot, dyke, slut, dog and cracker. I cautioned them that their discussion was to be a mature and sensitive one, but I wanted to know what they thought about the words listed. I was always proud that my diverse classes had mature discussions and debates about the nature of these words. Then I would teach them the context by which the word was used in the book.

I probably assigned that book to approximately 300-400 students over the year. Only one student started to read it and asked if she could read the other book instead, which I gladly offered her. Everyone else chose to read the book. If anyone was disturbed by it, it was never mentioned, and a lot of my students, regardless of background, ended up liking the book.

Children are not children anymore. They sext. They play graphically violent games. They catch porn online, or make it themselves and send it to friends. Their music often contains words like those found in the list above. We do them a disservice if we treat them like breakable little dolls while they're having very adult thoughts and emotions. I think students should be given the choice on whether or not they wish to read something that could be very offensive to them. And they should definitely be trusted to make that choice themselves.
 
Nicely said. :=D:

Obviously some people aren't black school kids and don't mind because "it's just a word" and doesn't affect them in any significant way. How about if they replaced "niggers" with "faggots" and you sat in a class with your classmates reading about faggots, faggots, faggots all day? Even tho you're a little "faggot" it shouldn't bother you, right, because everyone called you "faggots" faggot openly and freely back then.

No, it wouldn't bother me.

Is anyone calling readers those words? No. Is anyone saying "It was in a book, it must be okay?" No. Censorship is bad, bad, bad. A WORD is not inherently bad, a word is just a vehicle for intentions and communication. If "nigger" meant "happy tadpole" in some alien language, is it inappropriate to use it? Of course not. The same thing applies in English; unless it's specifically being used to insult or degrade someone real, there is absolutely NO reason to censor it. (Even if it is, I think people need to be less sensitive about words and slurs). We might as well censor out all violence, all arguments, in fact let's just censor out all conflict since we don't want schoolchildren being exposed to anything terrible like the human experience.
 
Lol agreed. That's the same way I feel about so many other "great literary accomplishments" that are supposed to teach kids all sorts of fantastic lessons, but which actually serve to bore the hell out of them or, in the case of Shakespeare :rolleyes: confuse the fuck out of them. I almost feel as though these books are taught because of what they are THOUGHT TO BE, not because of what knowledge they have to offer. When will that end?
FIFY(what they ARE and what they HAVE TO OFFER is actually the same thing, isn't it).
The reason we have that educational approach is the same that brings about the totally surrealistic topic being discussed now: education is not considered to be about teaching kids how to deal with reason, reality and their own mind and feelings, but about transmitting prejudices, moral like aesthetical, and too often transmitting also the fears and guilt of the adult. Then you can say that kids are raised as adults are, not as they should or expected to be or, worse, as they are hypocritically said to be.
 
We might as well censor out all violence, all arguments, in fact let's just censor out all conflict since we don't want schoolchildren being exposed to anything terrible like the human experience.

Well put.

Facing up to reality is a terrible dilemma for those who wish to revise history to suit their pretensions that such horrific words should never have existed.
 
Seriously, get over yourself.


Although I would be the first to agree that the modern secondary school model in the U.S. is a failed system, I would strongly disagree that the selection of curriculum in literature is the problem.

For what appears by all rights to be a failed model, we still produce more than our fair share of movers, shakers, innovators, and people that become important for reasons other than celebrity. Jobs may be going elsewhere, but we're still finding ways of making money. It pains me to say this, but the very rap stars I despise have earned my respect; although I stand by saying that the music itself sucks, you have these guys that have solid business plans, generally know what they are doing financially (even allowing for some silliness), and even have plans for when they retire from music. And that's inner city kids, who we have failed the most.

If anything, those classrooms adopting "culturally relevant" novels like "The Outsiders" and other street culture themes have already thrown in the towel.
That SE Hinton book hasn't been relevant as a representation of society for almost since it was published. Its only relevancy has been as an exploration of the polarization of society, and how it's a failing model. You know, like intellectual elites and the rest of society...


All the talk in this thread about boring and shitty literature reminds me of the attitudes that are too common in the classrooms of our schools. The students weren't against reading great literature; they were against reading anything. Comic books had become the norm for some resigned teachers, but pictures aren't literature.

Except that a lot of the literature forced into school is boring, and comic books, somewhere along the line, became more literary.Most of the books taught in schools have no real relevancy outside of teaching the basics; there are better books, and the curriculum is decidedly non-challenging. Then again, you could easily spend a semester picking apart Lord of the Rings. At the same time, comic books at their best, just like any other form of literature, can be great, and just as most literature is average or worse, so are comics.


To ridicule Shakespeare or any other great writer as boring or irrelevant is to demonstrate disinterest in cultural diversity. These authors aren't taught in absence or place of minority writers, but alongside. They are ALL our linguistic and cultural heritage.

Too bad more minority writers aren't really taught. In fact, few of them are, or that minority writers have their own patterns of thought. Maya Angelou is taught sure, but I would like to see more Amy Tan or even Toni Morrisson. There are a number of examples, sure, but they are the exception. Admittedly this is because there are few of them comparatively, but it would be nice to see more of them.


Sadly, we live among a generation that likely cannot even tell you the meaning of the allusion "sour grapes." THAT is telling.
Yeah, because only encyclopedic knowledge of everything is an acceptable outcome of the educational system ;) . Sure, I know it's an allusion to the Aesop's fable, but I'd bet that few adults in general know that. That knowledge just isn't important, and thus is forgotten. It happens. Deal.

When one can explain what is irrelevant and boring about great literature with an informed and articulate argument, I'll believe that it is intellectually valid versus just an aversion to hard academic work.
Easy: James Joyce's Ullyses. A novel that is irrelevant on almost every level, takes a master's in English lit to appreciate, and makes everyone scared of reading. And when you look at the other Major Books of Lit, you see a lot of the same silliness....

RG
 
Sour grapes?

fox and the hen house?

chicken or the Egg?

Enigmas all

But then, A rolling stone gathers no moss

And stoning a Roan...no way to treat a hoss

Think and you might go numb

Speak and they know you're dumb.

hey nigger get me a jigger
hey chink get me a drink
hey whitey you can't fighty
lets all turn green and be obscene

or

I see what you're saying said the blind man to his deaf son


If this post offends you, I apologise.
This thread should offend everyone
Or at least make them think.
 
usa not even country as lot countrys full of spin ans piss ans of no point ta topic

if folk no can deal with da reality of IT ans not spend endless side steppin in alls da fancy crap folk spin out their face hole

schools culutres da whole pile shit fail

World deal with it! got all da fuckin toys

thankyou
 
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