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High court rules for military funeral protesters

Equating "God Hates Fags," with gays in the military as a political issue is pure bullshit. What's to prevent a constant protest around the Phelps' so called church? I think I could stand there forever yelling, "stop sodomizing your daughters," or any other such bullshit.
 
This is only going to lead people to start taking matters into their own hands and I definitely see some violence down the road. Frankly, I'm surprised things haven't gotten more violent than they have with the Westboro parishioners.
 
One of my favourite movie moments is Michael Douglas' speech in "The American President". This line comes to mind:

You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

[...]

Then you can stand up and sing about the land of the free.
 
Maggie Phelps, daughter of Fred, and the arguing attorney for her side in the Supreme Court, was on the Mike Gallagher radio show this morning, shortly before her press conference. After winning a Supreme Court case, one would think she would be happy. Instead, she was angry, arrogant, and fanatical, which did not surprise me in the least. No compassion whatsoever for anyone, just condemnation and judgement for anyone and everyone. They're ass-backwards fanatics. I agree that people should do anything and everything (short of outright violence) to stop them. And then protest at the funeral when one of them dies, although I imagine none of them would be upset. They'd probably say the deceased deserved to die for some sin. Disabling their vans, refusing to help when they require any kind of service wherever they are, having lots of people push them away from funerals, maybe even stage a fake funeral somewhere to distract them from a real one, and waste their resources, some people can be very creative, and this situation requires that.
As for the court decision, I did not read it. I do know that the first amendment is there to protect offensive speech. Non-offensive speech does not need protection. Sadly, a few schmucks like the westboro mob use our rights against us.
 
The Supreme Court has held, on more than one occasion, that laws that ban unions from engaging in picketing to encourage a secondary boycott are unlawful. N.L.R.B. v. Retail Store Employees Union, 447 U.S. 607 (1980). In that case, a union on strike against a company picketed the struck employer's customers to urge them to stop doing business with the struck employer until the strike was over. The SCOTUS held that the ban on this secondary picketing was constitutional.

It seems to me that it is more offensive to the First Amendment to prohibit secondary picketing in a labor dispute than banning picketing of military funerals.
 
There is no right to scream at the dead. I couldn't put it better myself.

While it may not be a right, it is a privilege I'd gladly extend if I were the concerned party. If I can get these people to protest at my funeral, I'd stage my own death just for the pleasure of watching them rant.

I think of it as performance art, and damn funny at that.

Can you book them? Do they have an agent or something? I'm not going to pay travel expenses (erm...my estate will not, that is...nudge nudge wink wink) But damn it there must be some way to get them to show up.
 
There is no right to scream at the dead. I couldn't put it better myself.

While it may not be a right, it is a privilege I'd gladly extend if I were the concerned party. If I can get these people to protest at my funeral, I'd stage my own death just for the pleasure of watching them rant.

I think of it as performance art, and damn funny at that.

Can you book them? Do they have an agent or something? I'm not going to pay travel expenses (erm...my estate will not, that is...nudge nudge wink wink) But damn it there must be some way to get them to show up.

Now that's an idea! Stage one's death so they would picket it. Then jump up out of the coffin and exclaim that God sent you back with a message for them. Tell them God says to turn away from their vile hate and repent or be cast out from His sight forever! Of course you have a hidden mic so your voice booms from hidden speakers and really catches the attention of all. It would be even more effective to have members of "their group" (spies from within) faint and/or see visions that agree with your "Message from God".
 
There is no right to scream at the dead. I couldn't put it better myself.

While it may not be a right, it is a privilege I'd gladly extend if I were the concerned party. If I can get these people to protest at my funeral, I'd stage my own death just for the pleasure of watching them rant.

I think of it as performance art, and damn funny at that.

Can you book them? Do they have an agent or something? I'm not going to pay travel expenses (erm...my estate will not, that is...nudge nudge wink wink) But damn it there must be some way to get them to show up.

First, you'll have to have your "funeral" in a different country, LOL...they don't want the kind of welcome that The Crown would have in mind for them.
 
It is still freedom of speech.
What the mourners need to do is like those citizens who came out in numbers to block the protesters from the funeral. Then slit their tires so they would have to walk home. That is the best deterrent. Eventually they can't afford the tires anymore.

No, don't slit tires.

Pump a tire half-full of tar. Pull the balancing weights from the wheels. On a cold day, fill tires on opposite corners with jello. Superglue the driver's door shut. Mix nitric acid in gasoline and thin oil and put it in the gas tank. Epoxy the steering rods so they can only turn one way. And if you do give in and slash tires, pop some of the lug nuts and epoxy them on.

Never do the same thing more than twice in a row.

Perhaps my KKK reference was a bit strong, but I fear that the Court is headed in that direction. The Court's decision on Citizens United gives unlimited power to corporations which might disenfranchise the general public forever.

Citizens United
was a lose-lose situation, and the Court came down on the better side. I don't know where the article was, but I saw a legal analysis that showed how if the decision had gone the other way, it would have ended up with Congress being able to outlaw political speech by anyone at all, because the precedent with corporations could be applied to churches, student interest groups, unions, all the sorts of organizations (like the Sierra Club) that were affected by the ruling; no voluntary association of people, regardless of their purpose in joining together, could be silenced -- like all the gay rights organizations.

The problem is that Congress ever let corporations be defined as persons. The Court just made another decision that puts limitations on that and opens the way for redefining "person" as it applies to corporations to mean merely that they may be treated as individual entities -- Roberts explicitly stated that corporations have no right to privacy ( ! ).

But given the Court's language in Citizens, even that might not be enough: it was noted that the language does not specify free speech by persons, just free speech. I find that ridiculous, but there it is. What's needed is a constitutional amendment specifying that for purposes of politics, "person" means an individual human being, someone who either is or may become a citizen, either a citizen or legal resident of the U.S., and that any and all rights which may apply to politics apply only to persons as so defined.
Write your Congresscritters to support such an amendment.
 
Judges Roberts, Scalia, Alito, Thomas and Kennedy (5) are way too far to the right of center for me. They have usurped the duties from the legislative branch and have become "lawmakers in robes". Please check Marbury v. Madison which gave the Supreme Court the power of judicial review. The first three articles of the U.S. Constitution delineate separation of powers.

I was born and raised in a country where the Supreme Court was a lot more balanced than it is now. Healthy dissent between SCOTUS members was always welcomed. However, the Court has become as "fair and balanced" as Fox. Judge Thomas was a big hit at the CPAC Convention last month.

Sonya Sotomayor had to recluse herself from a case because she was involved in a decision on this case when she was Solicitor General. I do not foresee the aforementioned five justices doing that, faced with similar circumstances.

Perhaps my KKK reference was a bit strong, but I fear that the Court is headed in that direction. The Court's decision on Citizens United gives unlimited power to corporations which might disenfranchise the general public forever.

Are you kidding? Alito, one of the justices you deride as being a member of the KKK, was the one dissenting voice in this case. EVERY 'liberal' or moderate voice was in the majority, as were the 'conservative' voices.

I'm not quite sure how you can say something so ludicrous and expect to be taken seriously.
 
Freedom of speech means freedom of speech.That applies to ALL speech.Even speech we find ugly and bigoted.I agree with the Court on this one.

Somewhat rare, but not the first time for sure, that I completely agree with Knucklehead.
 
Are you kidding? Alito, one of the justices you deride as being a member of the KKK, was the one dissenting voice in this case. EVERY 'liberal' or moderate voice was in the majority, as were the 'conservative' voices.

I'm not quite sure how you can say something so ludicrous and expect to be taken seriously.

When one is so blindly partisan, one becomes ignorant of reality and sees everything through the same ideological glasses.
 
Hate is an emotion, a feeling. These are constitutionally protected, whether we like it or not.
Yes, but that does not mean one is allowed to express it to the detriment of others.

Freedom of speech means freedom of speech.That applies to ALL speech.Even speech we find ugly and bigoted.I agree with the Court on this one.
I would recommend re-reading the first amendment. All speech is not what was being protected. freedom to speak against actions of the government without fear of being summarily arrested and imprisoned for life (or a myriad of other punishments carried out without a fair trial) is protected. The freedom to go around speaking hateful words intended to cause harm is not (or it wasn't until now). It used to be, here in the US, one could be sued for libel if one were to speak freely about another spreading lies or rumors that caused the subject to lose a job or suffer because of it. This new ruling is poised to change that.
 
It used to be, here in the US, one could be sued for libel if one were to speak freely about another spreading lies or rumors that caused the subject to lose a job or suffer because of it. This new ruling is poised to change that.

No, it isn't. Roberts carefully argued a very narrow case. He specified that this isn't about attacking anyone, it's about someone working to convey a message in a chosen venue, a message not done just once but repeatedly. This will have no effect at all on situations where someone is attacking persons.

In fact it was argued in a way that still leaves room for hate speech laws, because hate speech is not a "message", is invariably a singular event, and by its nature is directed at individuals.
 
In fact it was argued in a way that still leaves room for hate speech laws, because hate speech is not a "message", is invariably a singular event, and by its nature is directed at individuals.

I really don't want to get off topic here, but I am still very bothered by so-called "hate" crimes. If someone attacks me and yells, "Faggot!", he can get some enhanced penalty, but if he attacks another guy down the street, but this guy is straight, the attacker doesn't receive said enhanced penalty? How asinine.

I just find it grossly wrong that people are being divided into special classes, and if a member of this special class is hurt, by speech or otherwise, the offender can receive a more severe penalty than if he were to offend someone outside this group.
 
Actually, it does. There is no right to not be offended or not be upset or not be bothered by speech, especially political speech.

Apparently someone knows nothing about the constitution or the bill of rights.
 
Apparently someone knows nothing about the constitution or the bill of rights.

I know plenty. I didn't get a degree in Political Science/Constitutional Law for the hell of it.

This decision is consistent with others SCOTUS has handed down. I'd suggest you study First Amendment history, why it was written (there's a reason why it's the FIRST Amendment), and the various SCOTUS rulings dealing with such unacceptable speech.

From the Constitution's primary author and the author of the Bill of Rights, James Madison
The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their right to speak, to write, or to publish their sentiments, no matter how vile their words may be.
 
Apparently someone knows nothing about the constitution or the bill of rights.

Agreed. Then maybe you should read it.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I don't see anything in there about freedom from feeling icky. That is, unless you are referring to another part of the Constitution.
 
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