Hillary and Barack - A Love Story

[Rolyo85]

Ironic that "approval" is a measuring stick you embrace

Gay marriage etc. until recently was not a high approval concept

More bandwagon mentality

4 years is a lifetime

As for the shotgun wedding of the pair

It's the ultimate in politics

As for Hills and her "greatness" as SOS ......

It's not based in reality rather only in PR

Much like the love affair

When we're talking about chances of winning an election, approval rating is... sorta the most important thing really...

 

[Rolyo85]

I love Hillary, but talking about her approval numbers right now seems a little meaningless... the Secretary of State position is a mostly apolitical one.

if and when she gets back on the campaign trail to start talking specific policy, I would imagine that her national numbers will fall back down to earth like any other politician.

Actually, having been in an apolitical position makes you better liked, which helps once you campaign for a political one. And she's arguably the most loved democrat currently.

 

[xbuzzerx]

When she was still a candidate for the Presidency before 2008, didn't someone on the right say she was further to the left than Mao or something equally lol?

 

[rareboy]

So is the whole thing about the Republican supporters being spooked because they might have the Clinton/Obama engine barrelling down on them in 2016?

Or is there some actual point to the vituperative and flaccid, impotent rage about this?

 

[maxpowr9]

I've always been a Hilldog fan. Still, I have to roll my eyes at anyone who uses approvals rating as a metric for how well a politician is doing. Just like people who use the stock market, especially the Dow as the main indicator for economic wellness.

I would vote for her in a heartbeat if she ran in 2016.

 

[MisterMajestic]

Hillary and Barry did what was best for both of them. Guess you could call that good politics.

Sorry crazy Uncle Joe.

That joint 60-Minutes interview actually had a headline that no one picked up on...Remember when Obama said he called Hillary over and over trying to get her to take the SOS job....Well Joe Biden told Oprah years ago that Obama offered him a choice between the SOS job or VP...Jill was there and she had that "Oh my goodness" look on her face...

...LOL...Did DaBiden lie to the Mighty O?

 

[chance1]

So is the whole thing about the Republican supporters being spooked because they might have the Clinton/Obama engine barrelling down on them in 2016?

Or is there some actual point to the vituperative and flaccid, impotent rage about this?

LOL

vituperative and flaccid

not in the same class as "i called it" but top 10

as for "the whole thing about"

that would be a news organization, once preeminent in their status, objectivity and search for truth

doing a lay down for the chosen one and hills

that's what it's about

 

[xbuzzerx]

LOL

vituperative and flaccid

not in the same class as "i called it" but top 10

as for "the whole thing about"

that would be a news organization, once preeminent in their status, objectivity and search for truth

doing a lay down for the chosen one and hills

that's what it's about

All we did was point out that you were fine with drawing conclusion from approval ratings when you were giving kudos to a Republican, but now you say they're meaningless.

Which is it?

 

[chance1]

All we did was point out that you were fine with drawing conclusion from approval ratings when you were giving kudos to a Republican, but now you say they're meaningless.

Which is it?

consistently confused

i applaud approval ratings - they have merit - more so in some cases than others

chris christie as a sitting governor of a state - making decisions - getting judged on his performance - is legit

other approval ratings are more perhaps fleeting - i have no idea whether HC's will last or not - depends on many things yet to happen to her, her opponents, the country

but there's no question - she's popular - there is question whether she was a good much less a great SOS

i was responding (read the posts) to a single poster who blows like the wind - changing his POV as often as I pee during the day

that's what that was about

many here respond to posts w/o reading the posts they're responding too

as in way too fast

this is another in a long line of examples

 

[Rolyo85]

that would be a news organization, once preeminent in their status, objectivity and search for truth

doing a lay down for the chosen one and hills

that's what it's about

Have you considered the scary possibility that they ARE that awesome and you're just clueless?

Also, I rarely change my POV, and never without significant reason. You can look for hours to try and find examples of me flip-flopping, and you will crash and burn at that. Wanna take the challenge, or are you too lazy?

 

[chance1]

Have you considered the scary possibility that they ARE that awesome and you're just clueless?

Also, I rarely change my POV, and never without significant reason. You can look for hours to try and find examples of me flip-flopping, and you will crash and burn at that. Wanna take the challenge, or are you too lazy?

it's not a news organization's job to fawn and promote politicians - not in america

at a 50% ish approval rating, BO could not reasonably be considered "awesome" - he is polarizing

still waiting for your hundreds of thousands of lives saved in africa by hillary let me know

now that's lazy

 

[xbuzzerx]

it's not a news organization's job to fawn and promote politicians - not in america

at a 50% ish approval rating, BO could not reasonably be considered "awesome" - he is polarizing

still waiting for your hundreds of thousands of lives saved in africa by hillary let me know

now that's lazy

He's only 'polarizing' by default because a portion of the country utterly can't stand that a black progressive is President. Not because he is in any way overtly or intentionally polarizing or divisive.

If you want examples of that see the attempt to make an amendment to the Constitution to ban gay marriage-- as one example out of many.

 

[chance1]

50ish? So fucking what? Some here love twisting things around and still can't accept that Obama won. And Obama has a margin of double digits in his approval ratings. It's good to look at the whole picture when it comes to statistics!

He's not polarizing anyone. His approval ratings have remained steady in the mid 50s to lower 60s. That's something republicans can only dream about. Some here rely on total bullshit rhetoric based on partisanship. Some in this country won't ever accept OBama because they are totally incapable of accepting him.

I don't want to hear this "he's polarizing" nonsense. How so? Some never ACCEPTED him as a leader and never wanted him... they wanted to make him a one term President from day one. It isn't the PRESIDENT that's being polarizing, but rather the right wing fanatics and sycophants in this country that are.

Lazy? Want to know what's lazy? Peddling the same right wing bullcrap on a forum thinking that something was accomplished in the end.

Oh and the Congress, and in particular the House of Representatives has an approval rating pushing barely 10%. About the same number of Americans approve of Fidel Castro. Good fucking job REPUBLICANS!

see post 75 - the 8th sentence - it has your name on it

we know u love obama - and he can do no wrong

that's not the basis for a discussion ok ?

and your "they" is a lot of people - like almost 50% - so he's got 1/2 on his side and 1/2 not so much - that's the simple math which u need to accept not deny

 

[Rolyo85]

And just because it's really bothering me when someone who's done so much for us gets slammed by ungrateful nobodies, just because she happens to be on the opposite political side, I dug up this lovely speech:

http://www.bilerico.com/2011/12/hillary_clintons_lgbt_rights_speech_to_the_un.php

It is a huge part of the reason why Kill the Gays is not yet the law of the land in Uganda, as well as other places in Africa. When you know the UN will deny you help you desperately need, you try to keep your viciousness on a tighter leash, which saves lives. The irrelevance of making fun of the phrase "hundreds of thousands" couldn't be more obvious, but I'll just point out that Africa is a big place, and there are a lot of gay people there, suffering lives that closeted New Yorkers can't even begin to fathom.

 

[evanrick]

I hate to say this but Hillary would have been more accepted by the establishment and would have been more effective in passing healthcare reform and possibly a single payer. Why? Because all the anti-Hillary stuff came before the election, people are more trusting of white people in general, and believe that women, in general, are less inclined to misuse their political position.

But that depends a lot on conservative reaction to Hillary, we know it took a great deal of effort to pass healthcare reform with republicans siding with the status quo. How would Hillary have approached the healthcare issue? Would she have done the same as Barack and left it to congress?

Republicans know Hillary can defend herself, I think thats why FOX gave her so much running space in 2008, and shes been through a half dozen presidential campaigns, shes tested.

Also if your talking about Obama and Hillary, you cannot forget to mention Pelosi, Reid and Emmanuel who practically were running the country from 2010-2012.