She was still much better than the ass hole dip shit some call their president he is not mine. Before him 44 Presidents lived in the White house which trump calls the dump! Any gay oerson that voted for this peice of shit should be ashamed of themselves and will pay the price!
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Hillary Clinton and her presidential-loss, blame game of excluding herself
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^ it was all about the Emails. Trump is president because of Emails. It's hard to believe that Trump and the Clintons were once best of friends. You know, back when he was a DEMOCRAT. Changed parties more than I've changed residences.
kallipolis
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James Comey regrets his intervention, when re-introducing the email debate at a decisive moment.
Comey paid the price, for his poor judgment.
I don't feel like this is a healthy viewpoint to have about the whole situation. Because it's placing the entire outcome of the elections on a single factor when it's simply not the only factor that lead to Trump's presidency.
I think that by misrepresenting the complexity involved here is dangerous because it makes it much easier to irrationally hate people by straw-manning their reasons for voting for Trump and takes our attention away from the more fundamental factors that could lead to another similar outcome.
I have to question if Comey really did change the outcome because by that point the emails weren't a new point of contention. People had already had an issue with them from the get-go. And by that point the vast majority of people had already made their decision.
Clinton won the popular vote. Did the resurgence of the email issue really change the minds of that many people in the regions where it mattered? How could we know this?
kallipolis
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Questions, questions, and more questions...nevertheless, that the email debate continues to be a major selling point among the anti-Hillary brigade posting here, there is the thought that the emails were much more influential on the final result than our deceptive friends posting here would have us believe.
Comey thought so, that's why his decisive, and timely intervention was so noteworthy....I am sure that his tomb stone will bear some reference to his self destructive timing.
Comey thought so, that's why his decisive, and timely intervention was so noteworthy....I am sure that his tomb stone will bear some reference to his self destructive timing.
No, it isn't, but Trump was losing until Comey announced publicly just before the election that he was reopening the Email investigation. It was a planned move, probably organised by Trump himself. He knew he was losing. The Emails nailed it for him.
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E-mails certainly had an impact, a psychological one certainly more defensible than anything. Yet in the critical Rust Belt states, the margins of a Trump victory were razor thin but there. We don't know HOW much the results would have been different without the Comey announcement and Hillary would possibly still have won... we do know clearly there WAS the highest level effort coming from the Russians regarding impacting the elections. There likely was collusion of at least some sort... at least a defensible reasoning of an attempted collusion, with people in the Trump camp. It isn't, and likely never will be clear however, what ultimately drove the Trump win. My belief is that there was a psychological effect from the Comey announcement and the constant misplaying and heavy hand of the DNC and Hillary Clinton.
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No, it wasn't just the emails.
Both of the Clintons have been targeted as up-and-coming Democrats since the 1980s. David Brock's book, Blinded By The Right, pretty much laid out the evidence that Hillary wasn't as paranoid as she seemed when she made her "vast right-wing conspiracy" allegations.
They both might have recovered from the efforts to defame them if not for their own capacity for self-immolation- Bill with his dick and Hillary with her tendency to say the wrong things at the wrong times.
There's a group of people who hate Hillary- not solely because she's an outspoken, intelligent, successful woman- but also just because she's Hillary. Just this fact alone started her campaign in 2008 and in 2016 with high negatives. The emails and her avoidance of the media just encouraged the doubts and the lack of energy that plagued her campaign from the beginning.
Of course, no one would have believed that the alternative to Hillary could have been this bad. She's got to be the unluckiest person in politics in our generation- especially when you look at who she lost to.
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True, although since we're governed by the winner, we lose also.
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Didn't hear anyone say they think she should run again or would win if she did.
For those saying she lost because of the emails, 4 years is enough time to go by to forgive and move on if that was solely the only issue that would prevent Hillary from winning, right?
Anyone that thinks she lost because of solely the emails should be encouraging her to run again. If that is what you truly think, but are not supporting another run for her, I am curious what is holding you back from supporting another run.
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The question is moot- she's said that she has no interest in running for any public office in the future.
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I believe that her husband, her personna, and the loss would doom her. I believe the right would drag her through the mud, as they did to her husband. Obama was clean enough that the right resorted to using his very name as an insult: "Thanks Obama." That is the very reason she should retire. Qualifications are no asset as demonstrated by the last election. I could not vote for Trump because, well Trump.
How about the fact that the Clintons are just plain crooks and the people have had enough?
http://www.investors.com/politics/e...on-is-dead-but-the-case-against-hillary-isnt/
http://www.investors.com/politics/e...on-is-dead-but-the-case-against-hillary-isnt/
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Can we just move on already? Did we spend a year moaning over how Mitt Romney should run again?
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It depends on what we're moving on from.
There's some serious questions about the election. There's increasing evidence that an enemy of the United States- and of democracy globally- interfered to put an unqualified demagogue in the White House. There's evidence that they are doing the same thing to incite social unrest in the US and in Europe.
We need answers. And we need to know to what extent the Trump campaign was in collusion with Russia to get Trump elected. And we need to know that this will never happen in a future election.
kallipolis
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!!! You should tell someone in the DOJ. Maybe they could make use of your insight.
Let us know when Robert Mueller begins investigating Hillary Clinton, and her foundation.....meantime, I'm eagerly waiting for the results of the FBIs investigation into Donald Trump's election campaign.
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There's certain sites that you need to investigate before you present their stories at accurate. Investor's Business Daily and their sister site IBDEditorials.com don't have a particularly good history with presenting accurate and unbiased stories.
So, when you see stories that are on these sites that don't have actual investigative journalists on staff, you might want to look at fact-checking sites like Snopes.com which is a really great site to investigate these claims so that you don't look ill-informed:
Fact Check Politics: Clinton Flounderation
The 1/19/2017 IBD editorial writer failed to investigate far enough to realize that this wasn't "major announcement this week" since it had been announced in the summer of 2016.
*The August 2016 date was 4 months before the election.
kallipolis
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^Thanks for the in depth investigative research, for there are times when the deceivers are themselves...deceived.
^ Wasn't there something about Donald Trump using donations to his own charity for personal purchases and to pay off court judgements against him?
I seem to recall that being in the news, even before the election.
I seem to recall that being in the news, even before the election.
kallipolis
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^Possibly..however, the Trump campaign's Russian connections allegations are much more grievous, and it is for this reason that I am very waiting patiently for the results of the FBI investigation.
Distractions provided by the usual suspects are always an indication that they are worried.
Distractions provided by the usual suspects are always an indication that they are worried.