Hillary Clinton As A Gay Icon

[noah617]

Yes We Can sell out voters, deceiving them into believing Obama passed legislation to make sure nuclear radioactive leaks are reported to the public, when the truth is the legislation never passed and Exelon and its employees stuffed his campaign coffers with hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Do you seriously want to get into comparing campaign donations? You've got to be kidding me. Chinatown, Norman Hsu, International Profits, Health Care and Telecom lobbys.... And of course the Clintons have lots of experience with shady land deals.

 

[gaybot9000]

I disagree.

... and I agree.

It's a political stunt, nothing more. What you read into it is whatever you want out of it... since you support her, it is obvious what you'll read. Outside of her supporters and religious whackjobs, and people who write footnotes in history books or Jeopardy! answer writers, who the fuck cares that she marches in a parade?

Except that it is not just me reading it that way but millions of Americans who were witness to it. As I said in the post THAT WAS DELETED by a somewhat overzealous mod (I'm not pointing any fingers at the one with the cowboy-hat-wearing Obama pic in his avatar [all hat no cattle lol]) symbols have a subliminal effect that is hard to put your finger on, but they do change minds.
What NickCole said about Elizabeth Taylor and Lady Di embracing people with AIDS was spot on. Symbols have more power than you're willing to give them credit for.

 

[gaybot9000]

And you claimed I'm "slow"?

Yeah, I did. It took you pretty long to get this point even though I'd been hammering it in every post. I guess I just needed an analogy like NickCole's to make it clearer.

I'm an admitted iconoclast.

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[gaybot9000]

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It means that I don't think your statements are self-congratulatory in the least [/sarcasm]

 

[sixthson]

Let's see....Elizabeth Taylor has devoted time, money and much hard work to fight AIDS and support gay rights. Miss Hillary marched in a parade. Yup, they are on a par with each other.

 

[Kulindahr]

Marching in a parade is action, but in political terms it's only symbolic. It says, by voting with feet and presence, "I support these people".

Okay, so Hillary marched in a parade, and it showed support for gay rights.

OTOH, not doing something can also be a statement. On the lowest level, it says, "I don't want anything to do with those folks." Generally, it says, "That cause doesn't matter to me".
But when you do it one year, and then don't return, it's really hard to interpret that absence as anything good. Another year passes, and still no return, and the original event's meaning changes: it means, "I wanted you to think I supported you that year because I needed something from you; I don't any more".
That meaning is consistent with the way Democratic politicians of a certain stripe have dealt with interest groups for a long time: make nice, use them, but only follow through enough to not lose them to the Republicans.

Based on this issue of Hillary and marching in a Gay Pride parade, I have to conclude that to her, gays are just objects, votes to be courted when she needs them, not people with lives and concerns.

 

[gaybot9000]

Let's see....Elizabeth Taylor has devoted time, money and much hard work to fight AIDS and support gay rights. Miss Hillary marched in a parade. Yup, they are on a par with each other.

Nice strawman you got there.

It relates back to an earlier discussion on Nietzsche actually. Just a reminder to those around then, and pointing out to n00bs, that I don't buy into symbolic nonsense.

LOL
Symbols are an inseparable part of the human condition. Just because you've resolved, for whatever reason, to reject them--which to me is akin to going around telling people that you've hacked off your arm, when everyone can plainly see that it is still attached to your body--does not change the fact that the vast majority of human beings populating the Earth has not. This is not about you and what you think you read about Nietzsche's philosophy, it's about them.

 

[gaybot9000]

Hillary and marching in a Gay Pride parade

You should make that plural.

 

[gaybot9000]

I concede that she may (or may not) have done it for the votes; however, this fact does not negate any of what I'd said so far. I've said this repeatedly.
This is also not the point of the discussion, though you have attempted to divert it in that direction for your benefit.
I don't think you fully understand the concept of symbols. The one thing you seem to know about it very well is that it is "mumbo-jumbo".

 

[gaybot9000]

Let me put it YET another way (for good measure):
It is possible to be politically expedient AND do good at the same time. If you believe otherwise you are worst kind of cynic and should never purport to be in support of Obama because he is a politician who offers hope. If you actually believed any of what your comments suggest you would if you weren't only making them to win an argument, you would not be capable of trusting ANY politician in the least bit, including Obama himself.

 

[Kulindahr]

.... you would not be ... trusting ANY politician in the least bit....

That's a good starting position.

 

[snapcat]

Except that it is not just me reading it that way but millions of Americans who were witness to it. As I said in the post THAT WAS DELETED by a somewhat overzealous mod (I'm not pointing any fingers at the one with the cowboy-hat-wearing Obama pic in his avatar [all hat no cattle lol]) symbols have a subliminal effect that is hard to put your finger on, but they do change minds.
What NickCole said about Elizabeth Taylor and Lady Di embracing people with AIDS was spot on. Symbols have more power than you're willing to give them credit for.

The next time you attack someone in one of your posts, you will receive a warning AND your post will be deleted. I gave you the benefit of the doubt this time - a decision that won't happen a second time.

There is a line between political rhetoric, and attacking someone personally. If you can't make your point without it containing a personal attack, then you really don't have much of a point to begin with.

As a matter of personal choice, I never edit posts unless absolutely necessary. It's too easy for one of us to change the meaning of a post when we edit it. If a post contains a personal attack, it gets deleted. You are certainly welcome to post your thoughts again without the attack.

 

[Twisted06]

i do wanna ask you this ico7, you seem to be a obama supporter obviously or your at least going to vote for him if he gets the nom. let me ask you this though say its july 2009, and obama has done nothing but put this country into a worse position then george bush has. are you going to be sorry you voted for him ? and regret it? my biggest issue is that people who go and vote for someone and then they fuck up with there job and then that person acts like they never gave that person there support. im just curious to know what you would do same thing goes for anyone else who reads my post.

 

[Lostlover]

i do wanna ask you this ico7, you seem to be a obama supporter obviously or your at least going to vote for him if he gets the nom. let me ask you this though say its july 2009, and obama has done nothing but put this country into a worse position then george bush has. are you going to be sorry you voted for him ? and regret it? my biggest issue is that people who go and vote for someone and then they fuck up with there job and then that person acts like they never gave that person there support. im just curious to know what you would do same thing goes for anyone else who reads my post.

LMAO... the coulda woulda shoulda scenarios already being thrown at Obama.

When you have nothing else to say, people go to these hypothetical situations or call Obama a Muslim or talk about him not putting his hand over his heart during the anthem.

It says a lot about Obama if this is all they can get on him.

Also, I do respect Hillary for walking with gays in the parade. But come on, this is New York. Why didn't she do any walkings while the first lady of Arkansas? Maybe it was politically safe to do it in NY? There's that popularity gaging Hillary. Only seems to do things when they're politically feasible.