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Hillary Goes For The Kill - Iowa

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The decision of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign to send 100 or more new staffers into Iowa demonstrates that she and her aides have determined to their own satisfaction that she can cripple Barack Obama in the first-in-the-nation caucus.

Iowa is the only state where current surveys show Obama to be within shooting distance of Clinton. In late August, Clinton took a small lead of 5.2 percent in a poll of likely Democratic caucus goers. That lead, the smallest Clinton holds in any early primary or caucus state, has held up through seven of the eight most recent polls, increasing the willingness of the Clinton team to gamble on a new offensive.

The Obama campaign has already described the January 3 Iowa contest as a must-win event. Clinton's burst of hiring is a declaration that she intends to go for a knockout punch.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/10/27/hillary-goes-for-the-kill_n_70118.html
 
^ I understand, thats why there is so much stuff going on about the timing of State's Primaries.

However... Gen political wisdom and history show winning (doing better than expected) early on gives one MO' going into the bigger states.
 
Sounds like someone's never been to Iowa.

It's a beautiful state; Iowa City is particularly charming, as is Davenport.
 
Sounds like someone's never been to Iowa.

It's a beautiful state; Iowa City is particularly charming, as is Davenport.

Iowa is a great state and the people are great too. While I agree that Iowa City and Davenport are charming towns, I also enjoy Spencer--and the Clay County Fair hosted by the city is amazing.
 
Not to worry my dears, our next president Hillary Clinton, has Iowa in her pants suit pocket.
New Hampshire as well.
 
A lot of US states are beautiful. I was thinking more along the lines that he is having to spend his Christmas (assuming he holds it with any regard) away from his family (assuming he holds them in any regard), who I assume live in Virginia, his home state (a beautiful state, especially the beauty).

Yes, I got your meaning and thanks for the concern. And your assumptions are correct.
 
Released: November 07, 2007

Zogby Poll: Clinton Clings to Iowa Lead

Clinton - 28%

Obama - 25%

Edwards - 21%
 
Released: November 07, 2007

Zogby Poll: Clinton Clings to Iowa Lead

Clinton - 28%

Obama - 25%

Edwards - 21%

Yet more proof that this nonsense about Senator Clinton's debate performance being a "bombshell" is just that, nonsense.
 
If HRC wins Iowa caucus then N.H primary will be a lock -- then it's over!

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Released: November 07, 2007

Zogby Poll: Clinton Clings to Iowa Lead

Clinton - 28%

Obama - 25%

Edwards - 21%

The margin of error is 4.5%. So this poll has the three Democratic front runners running head to head (although Clinton support appears to be slipping from their last poll it is not a statistically significant drop as far as far as these Zogby poll figures).

Pollster John Zogby: "This is a real horserace coming into the stretch run. With less than two months before the caucuses, this is anybody’s ballgame."

On the first round balloting the lowest 15% is considered unviable and those voters can then vote for another candidate.

The survey shows Edwards wins second–choice support from Richardson backers and from Biden backers – both experienced pols with long Washington resumes. Obama also benefited more as a second choice than Clinton, making the race extremely tight.

However because of the fact that Iowa caucus goers can switch affiliation from Republican to Democrat in the caucuses - let alone from the lowest unviable 15% in the Democratic first round vote - it makes Iowa more interesting. How many Republican switchers are sophisticated enough politically to recognise that Hillary would be the most vulnerable Democratic candidate for a Republican to run against? Most Republican strategic switchers, I suspect, would vote for any other Democratic candidate to block her because of their visceral dislike of Hillary, even though they would be better off having Hillary as the likely most vulnerable candidate of the leading Democrats that the Republicans could run against. All these extremely soft national polls have her ahead so that headline fact is likely to make her the target of any Republican strategic switch voters.

It is not in the cards that Republican strategists will get the word around to switch vote for her as all of them are trying to get the votes out for their own candidates.

Therefor the Iowa caucuses are going to be extremely interesting. Clinton appears extremely vunerable there. The large Undecided number will be critical and if they have not broken for the perceived national front runner by now they are most likely to break dispraportionally to other candidates.

Released: November 07, 2007

Zogby Poll: Clinton Clings to Iowa Lead

Latest Zogby poll shows race tightens dramatically when second choices of minor candidate supporters are included


Note to news outlets: This Zogby poll is free from copyright restrictions. You are free to broadcast or publish this release in whatever format you choose. There is no need to seek further permission from Zogby International.


Democrat Hillary Clinton is holding on to a tenuous lead among likely Democratic caucus–goers in Iowa less than two months before those caucus participants will gather in neighborhood meetings to decide which candidate should carry their party banner into the 2008 presidential election.


She leads with 28% support, down from 30% in an August Zogby telephone poll. Barack Obama of Illinois, having made a serious campaign blitz of Iowa in recent months, is showing some progress at 25%, up from 19% in August. Holding steady in third place is John Edwards of North Carolina at 21%, down a bit from the late summer poll. Undecideds remain steady at 12%.

However, the race tightens dramatically when second choices are factored into the mix – a critical wrinkle in the Iowa caucuses. In the caucuses, a first round of "balloting" is conducted, and those candidates who do not win at least 15% support are ruled "unviable" and supporters are directed to a second choice among those who remained "viable" before a second round of "balloting" is conducted. Zogby polling shows Edwards makes big strides as a second–choice candidate, jumping six percent (see chart).


First Choice Only

Including Second Choices of Those Who First Backed Unviables

Clinton

28%

30%

Obama

25%

29%

Edwards

21%

27%

Not Sure

12%

15%

Pollster John Zogby: "This is a real horserace coming into the stretch run. With less than two months before the caucuses, this is anybody’s ballgame."

The survey shows Edwards wins second–choice support from Richardson backers and from Biden backers – both experienced pols with long Washington resumes. Obama also benefited more as a second choice than Clinton, making the race extremely tight.

Gender politics has been a big factor in the Democratic nomination battle, and Clinton – the first woman to be a front–runner for a major party nomination, leads among Iowa women with 32%, compared to 27% for Obama and 19% for Edwards. Among men, it’s a deadlock, with Edwards at 24%, and Clinton and Obama both at 23% support.

However, the picture changes a bit among second–choice voters, where Edwards wins 25% support, compared to 23% for Obama and 18% for Clinton. Among men making a second choice, Edwards also leads with 24% support, compared to 21% for Obama and 19% for Clinton.


But Clinton’s support appears stronger than that of Edwards and Obama. Asked about the likelihood they could change their minds before January, just 39% of Clinton backers said it is likely, compared to 50% of Obama supporters and 51% of Edwards supporters.

Asked whether former President Bill Clinton would have a negative or positive impact on a Hillary Clinton presidency, should one come to pass, Iowa Democrats are mostly optimistic. While 79% said his impact would be positive, nine percent said it would be negative and 12% were unsure.


The telephone survey was conducted November 6, 2007, and included 502 likely Democratic caucus-goers statewide. It carries a margin of error of +/- 4.5 percentage points.

For a complete methodological statement on this survey, please visit:
http://www.zogby.com/methodology/readmeth.dbm?ID=1231

(11/7/2007) [

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1385
 
Most Republican strategic switchers, I suspect, would vote for any other Democratic candidate to block her because of their visceral dislike of Hillary, even though they would be better off having Hillary as the likely most vulnerable candidate of the leading Democrats that the Republicans could run against. All these extremely soft national polls have her ahead so that headline fact is likely to make her the target of any Republican strategic switch voters.

So let me get this straight...you and Obama keeping suggesting on the one hand that the Republicans want to run against Hillary Clinton since she's so "unelectable." On the other hand, you suggest that Republicans would attempt to swing the Iowa caucus against Senator Clinton because they "dislike" her? So they want to run against her because she's "easy to beat" but they don't want to run against her because they dislike her? :rolleyes:

As to all these Iowa numbers you keep throwing around, let's take a trip down memory lane:

In a Survey USA poll (PDF) conducted November 18-20 for WHO-TV of 408 likely caucus goers in a nine-way race, the results were as follows:

Dean 32%
Gephardt 22%
Kerry 19%
Edwards 11%

That was two months from the Iowa caucus. What happened? As I've mentioned before, Dean and Gephardt turned dirty and started attacking each other. Iowa Democrats hate candidates who violate the 11th commandment and they won't caucus for them. Dean and Gephardt went down in defeat while the two candidates who managed to rise above the negative attacks rose to the top--Kerry and Edwards. A negative message doesn't work in Iowa. We learned that in 2004.
 
^ Obama is still 2nd yet HRC went from 3rd to 1st - wonder who has the mo' :rolleyes:
 
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