Hillary needs 56% of delegates left for nomination

[CtBoyWonder]

Re: Hillary needs 56% of delegates left for nomina

Regardless of your chosen candidate, Obama or Clinton, I just think its great to see history being made, in the respect we have a brown man and a female running....and are the top candidates....now THAT is progress.

The problem is that both candidates are running pretty much neck to neck. It looks like this is going to be ironed out at the convention. Even if Obama ends with more delegates. It's not going to be like the Republicans who have hundreds of them separating McCain and Huckabee. A lot of people are saying Hillary should bow out. Especially since it looks like neither Dem candidate will get the 2200 delegates, she should "not" bow out.

 

[PhunkSpunk]

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I never felt so confident in Barack getting the party's nomination until Chris Matthews just said this on MSNBC.

If Hillary bows graciously she could be on Obama's ticket.

The Clintons are on nobody's ticket!

From a strictly demographic perspective, Edwards was the Democrats' best hope, and it is more than likely that John McCain will be the next president. I think the number of bigots who don't usually vote will outnumber the number of first time Blacks to stop Obama, as will the broad spectrum of 'Hillary haters' come out in the event of her nomination.

We could do worse than a McCain presidency. I believe he's not so keen on DNDT, tho' not to the extent as Barry 'the only thing I care about is if they can shoot straight!' Goldwater (probably the only issue on which I stood toe to toe with Goldwater, LOL!) I think McCain said he knew gays both at Annapolis and while serving.

Of course McCain's not young, and nothing scares me more than a McCain-Huckabee ticket. I don't support anybody who thinks the world in 9,000 years old! While a McCain-Huckabee ticket might tip the balance in favor of the dems, it's a chance I'm not willing to take.

 

[JackFTwist]

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^^^ thank you for another demonstration of unity and respect from a Clinton supporter

 

[chuck10x]

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@ NickCole: It was a rhetorical question.

I've made mention that I'm leaning toward Obama, but I'm a Democrat, without prefix, suffix, or apology first.

It's because of race, that I fear an Obama win.

You seem to have misunderstood what I was saying in my previous post. I apologize for that.

Obama and his camp whine about the treatment that he's received from the Clinton camp, but that's NOTHING compared to what the GOP, the Swift-boaters, and the BushRepublican slime machine will do to him if and when he wins the nomination.

It wouldn't take much. Look what's going on within our own party.

G.W. Bush, 2000-2008, the Great "I'm a Uniter not a Divider" President, has left this country probably more divided than we've been since perhaps the Civil War of 1861-1865.

It's clear now that the Clinton and Obama are now dividing the Democratic Party on ageist, and racists lines.

Clearly we're just as divided as 1960's America, but this time aound more than 50% of America isn't even paying attention.

I'm a registered Independent, So I have no preference who gets in to the whitehouse, ( As long as it's a Democrat).
I do know from the beginning of The Clinton's political career that they have never shown a racist bone, Until Obama.
The Obama supporters bring it up in virtually every post, There are even those who would like the over 60 crowd to not vote because they think it takes away from Obama's support.
By the time the swift boaters go for Obama, I fear the Democratic party will have done 75% of the job for them.

 

[Agoateeguy]

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birds flocking together isn't necessarily about isms. some towns are full of old neighborhoods where similar people have traditionally lived and that's fine.

some cities are totally wide open with all sorts of people mixing in here and there. we now have choices. some choose to move out of ghettoes - including gay ones - and some prefer to stay. it's their choice.

it doesn't necessarily say anything about prejudice. but, might say something more about choices and comfort levels.

 

[Lostlover]

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It's getting a little hairier than I would have hoped for, but she'll pull out of it..

If she doesn't,it won't be any fault of hers..She was sabotaged in the press,and on tv, this campaign has been turned into a 3 ring circus..

Blacks are voting for Obama en mass because he's black,and young people,many of whom are completely unaware of the issues, are voting for Obama because he's black and it's trendy..

There's that closed minded middle aged perspective. These types of statements are just making my "60 year old crowd" thread all the more true.

And I didn't vote for Obama because he's black or trendy. I like his message. I like the man. He's intelligent.

 

[Lostlover]

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There will never be complete unity in america. America was built on being diverse. People will always fear what they don't understand. I see all these white folks praising Obama, but I would what their answer would be if they were asked how many blacks they are friends with and how many blacks are invited to their homes open handed.

STOP! If you know how many black friends you have or just have that token one, then you need to look at yourself and really think if your a racist.

The only prejudiced person is you.

I look at my vote last Tuesday as a way to cancel your vote and the nonsense you type.

Black people aren't that bad. Stop being scared of them.

I told myself I cancelled out David Duke's vote or some prejudiced baby boomer as I stood in line to vote for the first time (thanks to Obama by the way).

I NOW know I voted to cancel out your vote. Glad I voted, I just shut you up by putting in my ballot for Obama the NEXT president of the United States.

 

[iman]

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Black people aren't that bad.

Which begs the question: How bad are they?

 

[Lostlover]

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^^I'm going for the optimistic angle in thinking that he was being sarcastic.

Whoever gets the nom, I'm supporting.

I think that in the end, one will turn to the other in their campaign efforts. I can see both of them working together quite well. I don't see a shared ticket, unless we're talking co-presidents , but I can definitely see a cabinet appointment.

Not to demean either candidate, but against McCain or any other GOPper, I'd vote for a carrot.

Of course I was being sarcastic.

Iman (63 years old) didn't pick up on it.

 

[frankfrank]

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A lot of people are saying Hillary should bow out. Especially since it looks like neither Dem candidate will get the 2200 delegates, she should "not" bow out.

Though I prefer Obama over Clinton, I would say in the strongest possible language that she should NOT step aside! There is still time for the nomination process to "turn." Likewise, though it's evident that Huckabee cannot possibly win the Republican ticket, I do not feel that he should be told to step aside either. Ultimately it's Clinton and Huckabee who must decide whether they went to continue campaigning or not, and it should be nobody else's choice.

Besides, the longer Huckabee stays in, I think it becomes less and less likely that McCain will put him on his ticket. Actually, after Romney's endorsement, I've changed my mind - I was expecting Huckabee to become McCain's running mate, but now I think it's much more likely to be Romney. (I'm guessing that McCain has already made a secret deal with Romney - "If you'll endorse me, I'll have you be my running mate.") After all, Romney could have very easily endorsed Huckabee, because he and Huckabee are much closer together on the really big issue that is of ultimate importance to the future of the United States, gay rights/marriage.

Of course McCain's not young, and nothing scares me more than a McCain-Huckabee ticket. I don't support anybody who thinks the world in 9,000 years old! While a McCain-Huckabee ticket might tip the balance in favor of the dems, it's a chance I'm not willing to take.

More-or-less commented on above...but I wouldn't want to take that chance either! It's a ticket that Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, Faux Noise, etc. could easily get into. Of course a McCain-Romney ticket is pretty scary as well.

Please, you drive through any major town with many different races and you will see that they stay within their own. Birds of a feather flock together.

Which is really no different than the Italian neighborhood in Philadelphia, the Dominican neighborhood in the South Bronx, the Vietnamese part of Houston, the rich white gated community somewhere outside of Seattle, the Mormons in Utah, the Basques in Boise, the Koreans in Garden Grove, etc. This has probably been true through human history (which, of course, goes much farther back than 6,000-something years). A large number of somewhat-homogeneous ethnic neighborhoods (representing most of the continents) are evident in many parts of Chicago, for example.

 

[Luka]

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It's getting a little hairier than I would have hoped for, but she'll pull out of it..

If she doesn't,it won't be any fault of hers..She was sabotaged in the press,and on tv, this campaign has been turned into a 3 ring circus..

Blacks are voting for Obama en mass because he's black,and young people,many of whom are completely unaware of the issues, are voting for Obama because he's black and it's trendy..

The whole thing is turning into some kind of fucking nightmare..After enduring the Bush regime these many long years, I was hoping we'd have some decent leadership for a little while..I guess that ain't gonna happen.

I guess handing over the country, the economy, the wars, and everything Bush has completely fucked up, over to an inexperienced, untested,leader who "inspires" the sheep is the only logical choice..Unreal.

Hey, at least the republicans like him..

EXACTLY!!!!

 

[Lostlover]

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It's getting a little hairier than I would have hoped for, but she'll pull out of it..

If she doesn't,it won't be any fault of hers..She was sabotaged in the press,and on tv, this campaign has been turned into a 3 ring circus..

Blacks are voting for Obama en mass because he's black,and young people,many of whom are completely unaware of the issues, are voting for Obama because he's black and it's trendy..

The whole thing is turning into some kind of fucking nightmare..After enduring the Bush regime these many long years, I was hoping we'd have some decent leadership for a little while..I guess that ain't gonna happen.

I guess handing over the country, the economy, the wars, and everything Bush has completely fucked up, over to an inexperienced, untested,leader who "inspires" the sheep is the only logical choice..Unreal.

Hey, at least the republicans like him..

Bush's biggest blunder (the Iraq war) was ENABLED by Hillary Clinton. She supported it.

We need change in Washington. Hillary isn't change. Hillary is more of the same politics.

Hence why Hillary is losing to Obama now. People don't want the some old Washington rhetoric. Ideally, experience would/should mean something but with Bush's lack of experience and the "wrong kind of experience" Hillary has, Americans are deciding to move forward and away from typical politics.

Jump on board the Obama Express.

 

[Lostlover]

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^^^
No thanks, I'll walk the trail with Hillary..

Be careful what you wish for. There will be change come next january no matter what happens..

I just hope it's not a change for the worse, enabled by an inexperienced and easily influenced man, in over his head.

People keep talking as if America is in some type of glorious time right now.

We clearly aren't.

All the major candidates left are big improvements from Bush. From McCain to Hillary to Obama.

The question is, who really is about change. Who really is far that different from Bush.

Barack Hussein Obama is the only answer for many.

 

[Lostlover]

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The incompotence that you're forecasting on Obama is already present in Clinton.

She freakin authorized the Iraq war. It doesn't get any worse than that for Bush's presidency.

But yet you're harping on coulda/woulda/shoulda/ scenarios when Obama becomes president next year.

You're grasping for things that aren't there. You have absolutely nothing to fault Obama over just hypothetical made up scenarios.

 

[NickCole]

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You have absolutely nothing to fault Obama over just hypothetical made up scenarios.

Wow.

A perfect human being.

That's pretty impressive.

 

[syntax]

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There's no question the Democratic Party is now split. Before Obama joined the race it was not. I believe it's the way Obama supporters have conducted themselves that's created this division. Just as it is here, if you read the comments section of virtually any blog on the Internet, you'll see long lines of nasty invective from Obama supporters against Hillary Clinton, but you don't find the opposite from Clinton supporters. Since the popular vote and delegate count is split pretty much 50-50 between Obama and Clinton, which means she has as many supporters as he does, the vast majority of nasty-to-opponent comments coming from Obama supporters is very revealing: they're the primary cause of the division and they're deepening it all the time.

NickCole, did you ever consider that the reason there is so much negativity about Sen. Clinton and so little about Sen. Obama has more to do with the two candidates than their supporters? Do you ever reflect on why so many people in both parties dislike or hate Sen. Clinton? Sure, it has something to do with their own prejudices, but would you even consider that it may also have something to do with Sen. Clinton as a person and as a candidate?

 

[Lostlover]

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You lost lover what would you have done after 9/11 if you were in her shoes. Your boy Obama has already said that if he had been in the Senate when that vote was done, he doesn't know how he would have voted.
You acting as Obama is this perfect human being and if you really believe that, give me your address and I will have some one come and put you in the padded cell that should be reserved for you.

Obama is not my boy. He's a man. An educated man.

Speaking of education, I couldn't get past this high school gibberish.

I substitute teach part time and if one of the high school students would have turned this in, they would have gotten it back with a big red "REDO" at the top.

 

[Kulindahr]

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A brokered convention is more likely to favor Clinton than Obama, since the Clintons will start calling in many old favors from party members.

Yep -- the kind of democracy the 'Democratic' Party stands for.

the superdelegates don't matter right now - if Obama holds the majority of popular vote - which is in the math as it now lays - then how can the super delegates vote for Clinton? It would be a repeat of 2000 all over again, Gore getting the vote and Bush the presidency. The party would implode.

That would be nice -- if it could be arranged for the Republicans to disintegrate at the same time.

What do you think will happen when you put Republicans into the mix? You know, the folks who don't have a single African American elected to Congress.

How could they? The Democrat power structure has the black folks cowed; every time one decides not to be a sheep, there's the Tyrannical Twosome, Jackson and Sharpton, to preach them back into line.

 

[Kulindahr]

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It's clear now that the Clinton and Obama are now dividing the Democratic Party on ageist, and racists lines.

Clearly we're just as divided as 1960's America, but this time aound more than 50% of America isn't even paying attention.

Why should people pay attention?
Both major parties have made such giant strides toward making this a regimented, conformist police state; both major parties have shown that they're truly out of touch; that many Americans have been taught the lesson the parties really want them to learn: stay at home, don't make a choice, just do what you're told.

And what's sad is the supporters of Obama are about unity, while the acolytes of Rodham mock unity and revel in division and elitism.

Hope vs. power....

 

[Kulindahr]

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There will never be complete unity in america. America was built on being diverse. People will always fear what they don't understand. I see all these white folks praising Obama, but I would what their answer would be if they were asked how many blacks they are friends with and how many blacks are invited to their homes open handed.

STOP! If you know how many black friends you have or just have that token one, then you need to look at yourself and really think if your a racist.

Diversity does not necessitate division.

Please, you drive through any major town with many different races and you will see that they stay within their own. Birds of a feather flock together.

I lived in Miami for the better part of a year. Yes, there were different neighborhoods, but...

drive through a Democrat-dominated/owned black neighborhood, and you got stared at, spit at, even had thrown things at you, if you weren't black; drive through a mostly Republican Cuban neighborhood, and people came out to see if you needed directions, and if you asked for directions there was a good chance you'd get a glass of lemonade while you listened.

It was black Democrats who taught me racism. I was never racist till I experienced Miami, and got treated like the enemy because I wasn't black. And it was brown Republicans who taught me to rise above it.

But the interesting thing to me were the (Republican) Cuban neighborhoods where diversity was alive and healthy: Spanish Cubans, Mulatto Cubans, black Cubans, native Cubans, Chinese Cubans, each in their groupings, but also overlapping and blending. And when as a "gringo" I moved in among them, they didn't worry about the color of my skin or the kind of slang I used, or even how bad my Spanish was; all they worried about was how well I did whatever I did.

So judging from my experience in Miami -- and St. Louis, too, BTW -- and your posts, Musicman, it seems to me that the racism that blacks taught me is alive and well, so alive and well that it's taken for granted.

Where diversity means respect, and mingling, and working together, that's America. Where diversity means division... well, whatever it is, it isn't America -- and it isn't Clinton's Democrats a whole lot more than it's Huckabee's ReligioPublicans.