Hillary on The Factor [2008]

[jockboy01]

Re: Hillary on The Factor

Indiana will go Hillary

and NC is getting tight

Indiana is unclear. Based on past dead heats, you're right. NC will go Obama for sure.

Problem with Obama supporters is they don't acknowledge anything that he has done wrong (see bitter SF commentary) and suggest his relationship with Wright is a media creation

Nobody's perfect. But look at the differences in the arguments.... the bad highlighted about Obama is his friends. It is media creation (as in my other post). If you look at all of my friends you could probably argue I was against everything that I'm for and vica versa. The bad recently about Clinton is the lying about sniper fire. And then don't forget how she talks about Magnequench and how they took jobs out of Indiana. She conveniently forgets to mention that her husband could have stopped the deal in '95 but approved it. I'm sorry, her character is always the one in question while people only question Obama's character via people he knows.

Obama is looking real regular these days - not so inspiring - which basically is his claim to fame

You must be using different glasses. I'm more inspired now than ever. He doesn't support a gas holiday just to get votes. Finally somebody who does something b/c it is right, not b/c he wants votes.

As to superdelegates... says who? Right now Hillary more superdelegates in her corner. What they should be scared of is picking a candidate that couldn't win the popular vote nor the majority of states nor the most delegates.

And I agree... she'd be a terrible VP

 

[chance1]

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^ not so sure about Obama/NC - before wright and hillary's fox interview woulda said no brainer - something tells me Hills could pull it out - but either way, a close one

as for Indy - been there - lotta conservative dems - gonna be big hillary

like i know anything right ......

my issue with the new messiah is that this "new stuff" isn't really new so much as for the longest time no one questioned anything about him - cuz if u did ur a racist - and who wants that label?

personally i wouldn't mind paying 20 cents less per gallon - not at all

we live in a PC crazed world - sharpton is on record and many others - if u (super d) vote for hillary when our guy has the "lead" - well - u will be sorry

gonna be tough for super d's to vote hillary with the delegate count as is - but right now she's polling much better - beating mccain pretty easy nationally while obama struggles - and the wright issue will get bigger in the general

love seein u on ce+p jockboy

 

[smelter]

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gonna be tough for super d's to vote hillary with the delegate count as is - but right now she's polling much better - beating mccain pretty easy nationally while obama struggles - and the wright issue will get bigger in the general

Unless and until McCain repudiates Rev. 'the Catholic Church is the great whore' Hagee, the Rev Wright issue will not play very well in Peoria.

 

[NickCole]

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Unless and until McCain repudiates Rev. 'the Catholic Church is the great whore' Hagee, the Rev Wright issue will not play very well in Peoria.

McCain won't have to repudiate Hagee and it won't do any more damage to him than it has already, which is virtually none. But if Obama's the nominee the Wright connection will continue to damage his electability. It's not like there's no history of this stuff.


E. J. Dionne sort-of addressed this yesterday, in fact, in his Washington Post piece:

NEW YORK -- Do white right-wing preachers have it easier than black left-wing preachers? Is there a double standard?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050102903_pf.html

And none of that even addresses the fact that Obama's relationship with Wright was close and personal for 20 years, and at the same time he was bringing his daughters to be baptized by Reverend God DAMN America, Obama was cozying up to terrorist William Ayers and his terrorist wife Bernardine Dohrn.

But I'm sure Republicans will be nice enough to not mention that.

 

[noah617]

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And none of that even addresses the fact that Obama's relationship with Wright was close and personal for 20 years, and at the same time he was bringing his daughters to be baptized by Reverend God DAMN America, Obama was cozying up to terrorist William Ayers and his terrorist wife Bernardine Dohrn.

But I'm sure Republicans will be nice enough to not mention that.

Who needs the Republicans when we have you?

Since when are democrats supposed to make decisions based on fear of the republicans. Why don't we just change all that we stand for as a party so that the republicans don't say bad things about us? Is that the plan?

 

[NickCole]

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Who needs the Republicans when we have you?

Since when are democrats supposed to make decisions based on fear of the republicans. Why don't we just change all that we stand for as a party so that the republicans don't say bad things about us? Is that the plan?

How about not buddying up to terrorists?

Let's just start with that.

And I'm not talking about people who simply look like terrorists or maybe have some kind of tenuous connection to terrorists, these two unrepentant people are attractive and charming and all those lovely things. But they're still terrorists who set off bombs in buildings, including the private home of a NY State Supreme Court Judge where he was sleeping with his wife and children. Is that what Democrats stand for?

Do you even know anything about Ayers and Dohrn? Do you make informed choices? Why do you refuse to address those elements of Obama's electability?

 

[chance1]

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Who needs the Republicans when we have you?

Since when are democrats supposed to make decisions based on fear of the republicans. Why don't we just change all that we stand for as a party so that the republicans don't say bad things about us? Is that the plan?

nick's just makin the point that obama's skeletons - which seem to be multiplying - r an election liability - very much so

ur us/them thingy is lame

there's a lotta conservative dems u know? r they part of ur group? r they allowed to be them?

a general election is about reaching out and connecting with all kinds of people - and obama (pre wright/pre bitter/pre tough questioning) was hitting it on all cylinders - not just lib dems - and that was great

he is not doing that now

and that's important

more important than us/them stuff

 

[smelter]

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McCain won't have to repudiate Hagee and it won't do any more damage to him than it has already, which is virtually none. But if Obama's the nominee the Wright connection will continue to damage his electability. It's not like there's no history of this stuff.

Nick, I wouldn't be so sure about McCain escaping unharmed. He sought the endorsement of Hagee knowing the man's history of incendiary statements. He needed Hagee's endorsement and the votes of his flock. Is this the normal behavior of a supposed 'straight talker' or merely the pandering of a typical politican, indisguishable from the rest?

The article you referenced ends with the following:

None of this absolves Wright. Allen Dwight Callahan, one of the nation's leading African American scripture scholars, argued on the Web site of PBS's "Religion and Ethics Newsweekly" that "prophets of old didn't announce their prophetic prerogatives at press conferences and press clubs" and that Wright "is wrong to wrap his recent media attention in the mantle of the prophetic tradition."

Exactly right. Now the question is whether we will be just as tough on false prophets who happen to be white and right-wing.

No question that Rev Wright is a nutcase and was condemned by his African American religious peers. Where is the same condemnation of Hagee by his white right-wing clergymen?

The silence is deafening!

 

[chance1]

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^ the attempt to equate wright with hagee is ...........

absurd

and unfortunately there are many blacks who don't think wright is a nutcase - that the govt did invent aids and is using it as genocide against blacks

hagee - wright

please

good luck with that

 

[NYCTex4]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBWxEObz8y4

 

[smelter]

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^ the attempt to equate wright with hagee is ...........

absurd

and unfortunately there are many blacks who don't think wright is a nutcase - that the govt did invent aids and is using it as genocide against blacks

hagee - wright

please

good luck with that

Gee, thanks Chance! Good luck with your Republican party in the General Election because you're gonna need it!!

 

[chance1]

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Gee, thanks Chance! Good luck with your Republican party in the General Election because you're gonna need it!!

low and lame blow smelter - not often i refer to a blow as bad

not my repub party

if u read my posts i think all the candidates have merits and could do a good job

i want the best one

right now mccain and hillary would be better IMO

i think we have just scratched the surface of obama's at best naivety and and at worse disingenuine

still got time

no rush

live ur new avatar btw

 

[smelter]

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low and lame blow smelter - not often i refer to a blow as bad


love ur new avatar btw

Lol, I may be old but I still know how to trade blows (of both kinds)!

Thanks about the avatar .... I'm not a bear but I'm grizzled!

 

[jockboy01]

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personally i wouldn't mind paying 20 cents less per gallon - not at all

I'm sure you wouldn't. But you're not going to pay 20 cents less in gas. The gas companies will raise the prices esp as demand goes up for this "cheaper" gas and guess who will get that 20 cents a gallon... the gas companies. It's a total political ploy to get Hil and McC looking better. All economists agree that it is a TERRIBLE idea.

right now mccain and hillary would be better IMO

i think we have just scratched the surface of obama's at best naivety and and at worse disingenuine

Oh no no no... chance... where did I go wrong with you? Hillary may not be naive... but she is much farther from genuine than Obama could ever be.

As to "terrorist" claims... LOL. People (esp W) throws that word around so much it's a joke. Biggest scare tactic ever. And oddly it only applies to people who do terrorist acts against us.... otherwise we think of some "nice" term... like freedom fighters in Haiti. I don't fall for the scare tactics.

 

[noah617]

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Do you even know anything about Ayers and Dohrn? Do you make informed choices? Why do you refuse to address those elements of Obama's electability?

How could I miss it? It was a major element of their last debate. But as you know Hillary and her husband pardoned members of the weather underground as well as other terrorists. Do you not think all of the Clinton pardons are going to be an issue in the general election? Especially when the the quid pro quo element is raised? The name Marc Rich ring a bell?

Any baggage Obama may have going into the general election is dwarfed by Clinton's.

 

[noah617]

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nick's just makin the point that obama's skeletons - which seem to be multiplying - r an election liability - very much so

If Nick was truly trying to make that point that would be fine. But in post after post he rips Obama and his supporters. He's trying to tear Obama down so his candidate can win, not simply point out potential electability issues.

ur us/them thingy is lame

there's a lotta conservative dems u know? r they part of ur group? r they allowed to be them?

I said nothing about conservatives. I was talking about republicans v democrats. I'm a democrat. I believe Nick is too. I want to see a democrat win this thing. I'd be grateful for any vote the democratic candidate gets whether it be from a liberal or a conservative. But I don't think it's a great idea for democrats to be practicing the politics of personal destruction.

 

[MystikWizard]

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^ the attempt to equate wright with hagee is ...........

absurd

Is that so? Someone who called the Catholic Church "the Great Whore" and called the Pope the "Antichrist"???

 

[chance1]

Re: Hillary on The Factor

If Nick was truly trying to make that point that would be fine. But in post after post he rips Obama and his supporters. He's trying to tear Obama down so his candidate can win, not simply point out potential electability issues.



I said nothing about conservatives. I was talking about republicans v democrats. I'm a democrat. I believe Nick is too. I want to see a democrat win this thing. I'd be grateful for any vote the democratic candidate gets whether it be from a liberal or a conservative. But I don't think it's a great idea for democrats to be practicing the politics of personal destruction.

dems who will only vote dem (im not one of them) want the most electable dem - so they can have the best chance of winning - i get that

right now polls suggest hillary is more electable vs. mccain than obama

a case is being made and it's accurate (currently) that she is the better genl election candidate

while nick may be a hillary-ite and anti obamate - that point is true

as for dem vs. repub - i just don't get it

we need the best person for pres - period

the blind ideology or "gotta vote dem" is ............ short sighted

the fact that u/people don't like bush should not be a default for "press the dem lever"

now if huckabee was the candidate, i hear u

mccain is not that

dont pull the lever for obama/hillary cuz they're dems - pull the lever cuz they're the right person for the job

 

[jockboy01]

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right now polls suggest hillary is more electable vs. mccain than obama

Sure... but a few months ago it was reversed... the ebb and flow of an election year.

the fact that u/people don't like bush should not be a default for "press the dem lever"

now if huckabee was the candidate, i hear u

I agree that's about the best person for the job. And I don't just vote dem. But I will say that the more I hear McCain, the more he aligns himself with Bush ideology. Probably an attempt to shore up the base, but hard to say for sure.

And let's see who he picks for VP. A Huckabee in the VP spot and I definitely won't vote for him. He's not young enough.

 

[LiquidSky]

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MY GOD that man is toxic. Going on that show is not just a matter of facing off against a tough questioner, there's something animalistic and insane about him; you can't debate him the way you might someone like Tim Russert, who at least is of our species. I hadn't watched O'Reilly in years because he's so primally upsetting -- a genuine madman and thug -- so for Hillary to maintain her poise, score some points and even display a sense of humor is deeply impressive.

I agree with you.