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[PacificBeach]

What time of the month? The early days get fresh vegetables, the middle days get frozen, the end days get prayers and unfrozen vegetable juice and various canned veggies, which neither of us are particularly fond of. I'd buy more frozen but we still need tupperware for it. Did get a deep freezer, that's helping considerably for the frozen veggies. Yesterday roomie had blueberry pancakes for breakfast and broccoli/mushroom/onion/sliced tomato lasagna for dinner, today he had an egg and cheese mcmuffin type of thing (to go with the 2 bunches of bananas that he chose, still not sure how one of them is gone yet) and god only knows what's for dinner, I'm feeling lazy.

What would it take for you to move in with us? I'm serious. We have a mother in law's apartment on the side of the house unused. If you are cooking for this cheap, my god, we could probably save a ton of money. Granted, you'll have to freeze your nuts off here in Minnesota, but at least the 650 sq. ft. apartment is warm. LOL!

 

[jbrown329]

In a couple days it'll be a big pot of split pea/ham soup. After that, clam chowder. Have to be careful with the chowder because of the amount of starch in the potatoes. Which means no big bowls of it. I cook big, eat on it for about 2 days then portion and freeze the rest.

What I miss is homemade pasta salad. To damn many carbs. Corn is pretty much out too, it's a starch.

 

[luckynumbah7]

What would it take for you to move in with us? I'm serious. We have a mother in law's apartment on the side of the house unused. If you are cooking for this cheap, my god, we could probably save a ton of money. Granted, you'll have to freeze your nuts off here in Minnesota, but at least the 650 sq. ft. apartment is warm. LOL!

I just got a house with a partner, no way in hell am I moving. I can cook cheap because I've had an unearthly amount of practice, both parents worked fulltime and I...think there's 9 of us total, one adopted out early. Prolly more knowing Dad, but I only cooked for 8 people plus parental units. And that number fluctuated - don't ask, bloody complicated. You just need to do a lot of memorization and know a lot of substitutes for ingredients depending on what's on sale. And pray to god no one is on a diet or allergic.

 

[PacificBeach]

I just got a house with a partner, no way in hell am I moving. I can cook cheap because I've had an unearthly amount of practice, both parents worked fulltime and I...think there's 9 of us total, one adopted out early. Prolly more knowing Dad, but I only cooked for 8 people plus parental units. And that number fluctuated - don't ask, bloody complicated. You just need to do a lot of memorization and know a lot of substitutes for ingredients depending on what's on sale. And pray to god no one is on a diet or allergic.

God speed, and I wish you the best, I really do. Cheers!

 

[Kabluey]

I just got a house with a partner, no way in hell am I moving. I can cook cheap because I've had an unearthly amount of practice, both parents worked fulltime and I...think there's 9 of us total, one adopted out early. Prolly more knowing Dad, but I only cooked for 8 people plus parental units. And that number fluctuated - don't ask, bloody complicated. You just need to do a lot of memorization and know a lot of substitutes for ingredients depending on what's on sale. And pray to god no one is on a diet or allergic.

Diets and allergies blow the budget every time. Even worse when the person with a valid allergy chooses to go on a diet.
That costs big time.

 

[jbrown329]

Diets and allergies blow the budget every time. Even worse when the person with a valid allergy chooses to go on a diet.
That costs big time.

Yeah. The way I have to eat now is more expensive than the way I used to. But it's healthier.

 

[rareboy]

I do know that if I bought frozen or canned that I could cut the bill down a bit. But luckily the budget isn't that tight just now, and he can have his endless rivers of leafy greens.

I do worry about retirement though, we aren't getting any younger and though that still 20 years off, sometimes I look at all the expenditures - cable, internet, cell, land line, food, going out, liquor, miscellaneous shit, car payments, house payments, on and on...

By the time you get older, you'll probably be satisfied with a few saltines slathered in peanut butter for dinner while watching the Price is Right or yelling at the television during news.

At least this is what we keep telling ourselves.

Retirement is a shock for many people...particularly when it is forced retirement like we saw from 2008 onward. For many older people who didn't have their houses paid off or savings to fall back on, the recession was a real disaster. In our own case, while there are lots of expenses we won't have in about 10 years....the other side of it is that you end up with all your shit wearing out and having large maintenance costs.

However, the secret to eating incredibly healthy and cheap is what jbrown said......cook big quantities and make a lot of soups.

Our overall grocery bill is high because we have a passion for great meat (see what I did there) and fresh fish and expensive tea as well as 'green' cleaning and personal care products and organic fruits and vegetables. But I also know what it was like to eat really well growing up in my grandparent's household where they had to stretch their food dollar.

We just made enough tomato sauce from our garden to make at least 10 meals and now that it is autumn, the great soup and stew season begins where we make enough of each kind for at least 12 to 14 meals.

But to put this in perspective, one of the things that I know from seeing food poverty as part of the program I support, is that many families find it almost impossible to build up a pantry of staples in order to make good economical meals at home...spices etc. can seem like luxuries...particularly if you don't have a cheap bulk food outlet nearby, which is the case in most rural and suburban areas.

And of course.....schools no longer seem to teach home economics so whole generations are growing up ignorant about cooking from scratch.......or, with both parents working to support the family, there isn't the time there once was to spend hours putting together good food.

 

[jbrown329]

I was never really taught how to cook. I learned by watching my grandmother and my mom. I used to help mom do the turkey for Thanksgiving and the ham for Christmas. When I got on my own, I really had to learn. Some was by trial and error. Man was their a lot or error. My ex taught me a lot. He was a good cook.

My current fridge is a third smaller than the one at the last place. So the freezer is smaller. Not much room to store frozen stuff. Don't have the funds to buy a small upright freezer (I wouldn't have a chest freezer).

I can cook a turkey but don't ask me to make a pie.

 

[rareboy]

If you have an apartment with electricity included, check out the used appliance stores for second hand small freezers. They can be really cheap and if they come from a senior's household, are often quite new and in good shape. One of the best food investments that you can make.

But again, you highlight a really good point about the obstacles for many families when it comes to eating as cheaply as possible. We were raised with a chest freezer and it was an appliance that my parents bought before they even bought a new television. It lasted over 40 years and allowed us to buy cheap, and freeze fresh and cook in bulk.

By the way, pastry isn't hard. But as a diabetic....I guess that a fresh blueberry pie is anathema.

 

[jbrown329]

No way to haul a freezer. To damn heavy to strap it on my back and to big to haul on the bus. Blueberry pie, blood sugar to the moon. The amount of sugar in that is astronomical. Better off with a small slice of pumpkin.

 

[PacificBeach]

Life became much easier when we got a kimchi "refrigerator". It ferments and stores kimchi at the right temp throughout the process, without stinking up the regular fridge, or the house. (It's in the garage.)

 

[rareboy]

No way to haul a freezer. To damn heavy to strap it on my back and to big to haul on the bus. Blueberry pie, blood sugar to the moon. The amount of sugar in that is astronomical. Better off with a small slice of pumpkin.

Don't give up the idea. If you can get one nearby, play the 'poor me, bad back' card and see if they can get you some muscle to deliver. Even with the small spare under counter freezer we have for emergency overflow, it does really take two of us to comfortably and safely move it.

 

[TX-Beau]

On the farm we had the regular freezer in the kitchen, a full size one on the back porch, two big chest freezers in the barn, and the deer freezer. We could eat out of them all winter long, and you need that kind of space when you are doing your own butchering.

A generation ago, they had hog killing in the fall, and then they'd smoke, salt and make sausage, I suppose they didn't butcher cattle like we did, don't know how you'd keep all that beef fresh, I suppose they must have divided it up between households or something, the chickens of course were slaughtered as needed.

Sunday Dinner (lunch) My Great Grandma, My Grandma, my Mom and my sisters would be up at four in the morning starting the meal, they'd have the Chickens killed, plucked, dressed, and in the brine before the biscuits for Breakfast went into the oven.

I have fond memories of them all bickering in their aprons after service, the smell of fried chicken and collard greens, biscuits, black-eyed peas rich with bacon, corn on the cob, wafting out with the sound of their voices.

We didn't have those kind of meals every day, but it was a tradition I think a lot of us grew up with. It's probably also how generations past learned to cook.

 

[jbrown329]

Seriously, thrift stores don't deliver.

Plus, I have no damn place to put it. The only blank wall has a baseboard heater on it. I can't change my living room around to stuff it in there. I have to keep the TV to my left because I'm blind on my right. And if I moved where the TV/Computer are, I'd have cable running across the damn carpet. This place was designed weird.

It would be easier to to have a full size fridge.

 

[rareboy]

On the farm we had the regular freezer in the kitchen, a full size one on the back porch, two big chest freezers in the barn, and the deer freezer. We could eat out of them all winter long, and you need that kind of space when you are doing your own butchering.

A generation ago, they had hog killing in the fall, and then they'd smoke, salt and make sausage, I suppose they didn't butcher cattle like we did, don't know how you'd keep all that beef fresh, I suppose they must have divided it up between households or something, the chickens of course were slaughtered as needed.

Sunday Dinner (lunch) My Great Grandma, My Grandma, my Mom and my sisters would be up at four in the morning starting the meal, they'd have the Chickens killed, plucked, dressed, and in the brine before the biscuits for Breakfast went into the oven.

I have fond memories of them all bickering in their aprons after service, the smell of fried chicken and collard greens, biscuits, black-eyed peas rich with bacon, corn on the cob, wafting out with the sound of their voices.

We didn't have those kind of meals every day, but it was a tradition I think a lot of us grew up with. It's probably also how generations past learned to cook.

Oh my God....another sketch of life that brings back the smell of Sunday lunch wafting out onto the verandah and the sound of the screen door slamming behind us with Nanna and her sister in aprons bustling around as they laid out the meal.....there were always three kinds of pie just baked early that morning...and then long, lazy naps under the trees or finally getting to run up to play in the haymow in the barn.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Sunday Dinner (lunch) My Great Grandma, My Grandma, my Mom and my sisters would be up at four in the morning starting the meal, they'd have the Chickens killed, plucked, dressed, and in the brine before the biscuits for Breakfast went into the oven.

You wouldn't happen to have the recipe for that fried chicken wouldja? I've got a few decent fried bits going for chicken tenders/strips/patties but to leave the skin on really changes everything, been trying to perfect that fried chicken pieces recipe.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Seriously, thrift stores don't deliver.

Plus, I have no damn place to put it. The only blank wall has a baseboard heater on it. I can't change my living room around to stuff it in there. I have to keep the TV to my left because I'm blind on my right. And if I moved where the TV/Computer are, I'd have cable running across the damn carpet. This place was designed weird.

It would be easier to to have a full size fridge.

I just found out in Pats they have a list of people you can call to haul furniture for a reasonable price. But I also know apartments in particular have weird, weird layouts. We're c urrently working on electric so it seems like there's cords taped everywhere on said floor (loose outlets).

 

[jbrown329]

I just found out in Pats they have a list of people you can call to haul furniture for a reasonable price. But I also know apartments in particular have weird, weird layouts. We're c urrently working on electric so it seems like there's cords taped everywhere on said floor (loose outlets).

Not in this shithole of a city.

 

[DantheManFL]

Because it's her nature. Hillary fights for First Responders from 9/11.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/09/hillary-clinton-9-11-attacks-response

 

[evanrick]

Because it's her nature. Hillary fights for First Responders from 9/11.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/09/hillary-clinton-9-11-attacks-response