Hillary says she will help struggling Americans. Why Should We Believe that she would?

[Kabluey]

Cable? This is hilarious. Living like kings? HaHa. Nobody said that. Oh boy. Everybody just deserves all the luxuries I guess. Is that about it? New wardrobes every season is a requirement too I'm sure. Get real.

In the same breath both denying and confirming the same point.
I don't know why you're not paid more.

 

[Hankerin1075]

I don't take what I have for granted. I work hard for what I have. I earn what I have. It is not given to me. Again, you guys are just not getting it. You write long diatribes in response yet say essentially nothing of any substance. Just the same nonsence over and over.

 

[rareboy]

No. You seem apparently unable to grasp the simplest of facts.

That everyone who works, works for it. The person you are scoffing at who cleans up your shit after you works hard. The person who cooks and handles your food works hard. What do you personally gain by seeing them work for less than a minimum living wage in an inflationary economy where wealth aggregation by the top 1% and the international mega-corporations is strangling the lifeblood out of the middle class economy and the taxpayers' wallets? You seem incapable of grasping this fundamental economic point.

You seem to feel that you work harder and deserve more. Great. Take that up with the employer whose making their living off your labour.

Oh. And it is spelled 'nonsense'.

 

[Hankerin1075]

No. You seem apparently unable to grasp the simplest of facts.

That everyone who works, works for it. The person you are scoffing at who cleans up your shit after you works hard. The person who cooks and handles your food works hard. What do you personally gain by seeing them work for less than a minimum living wage in an inflationary economy where wealth aggregation by the top 1% and the international mega-corporations is strangling the lifeblood out of the middle class economy and the taxpayers' wallets? You seem incapable of grasping this fundamental economic point.

You seem to feel that you work harder and deserve more. Great. Take that up with the employer whose making their living off your labour.

Oh. And it is spelled 'nonsense'.

I agree that a lot of folks work hard. I never said they don't. If they earn more they can buy more. I don't know what's so hard for you to understand. I never scoffed at anyone. You continue to assume things and misrepresent my words. They are in a low paying field. Simple. i don't make the rules. I'm playing on the same field as everyone else. Working for a living. I really don't know why you can't get how simple it all is.

Yep, I misspelled a word. Got one past the spellchecker. Extra point for me.

 

[peeonme]

I have seen what used to be city or municipal jobs such as garbage truck workers go private. As city workers there were unions, benefits and retirement pensions.
On top of that, we had 3 men per truck, I driver and 2 men that emptied the cans into the truck, each would take one side of the street.

Now it's all been privatized, it's low pay work with a median income of about $15.00 per hour, now the real kicker on this is that it has gone from a 3 man crew to a one man truck, the driver pulls up every week jumps out, dumps the cans and moves the next spot where he does it all over again.

It is smelly, low pay, back breaking and thankless work, most folks don't hold garbage men in high esteem.

But, ask your self, how valuable would they be after missing their rounds for a few weeks. The trash piles up, the smell hovers around us, the flies and rats are having a good old time.

I think that perhaps garbage men after a month of this might be seen as more valuable and be more greatly appreciated.

Now some might say that the employers would just replace those who didn't come to work, I would tell you that not all are even capable of this kind of work, it is hard, dirty work.

$15.00 per hour is not a lot of money for this job.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Garbage_Man/Hourly_Rate

 

[Hankerin1075]

I agree completely. I know a guy that's on the trash job. Works for the city. Makes a decent living as he should. I don't know what he makes but lives in a pretty nice house.

 

[gsdx]

I never scoffed at anyone.

You don't read what you write, do you? Over and over, you say that hard-working people who are paid shit wages deserve to be poor because the work they do isn't worth higher wages.

 

[rareboy]

Jesus.

You just don't get it.

The reason the guy you know who works for the city probably has a union that made sure he isn't making $15 per hour.

The privatized companies without unions hiring casual or part time labour are paying less and less.

As I've pointed out, it is impossible for a single wage earner to be raise a family on $15 per hour.

What is so difficult about understanding big picture economics?

 

[Hankerin1075]

You don't read what you write, do you? Over and over, you say that hard-working people who are paid shit wages deserve to be poor because the work they do isn't worth higher wages.

I'm not saying that. Never was. Some jobs just pay more than others. That is reality. If you pay nine bucks for yardwork, everyone that applies is agreeing to that work for that pay. They do it and you give them their money. You are making way too much of this.

 

[rareboy]

Well don't fucking complain then your tax dollars go to the person making less than 20k a year needs public assistance to just have a place to live or food to eat. Or for their healthcare assistance.

Or are you still saying that they don't don't deserve a place to live or food to eat? Or to live at all.

 

[Hankerin1075]

Jesus.

You just don't get it.

The reason the guy you know who works for the city probably has a union that made sure he isn't making $15 per hour.

The privatized companies without unions hiring casual or part time labour are paying less and less.

As I've pointed out, it is impossible for a single wage earner to be raise a family on $15 per hour.

What is so difficult about understanding big picture economics?

I understand what you're saying. I agree. If you want to raise a family you better be able to handle it financially. That is but one of many responsibilities that a family brings.

 

[rareboy]

Oh. My. Fucking. God.

So no one who is trapped in an economy where they only get paid $9 per hour should have a family.

And if the woman gets pregnant they should home abort the fetus because they apparently....even if they work 40 hours per week, are not 'responsible' enough to merit a child.

I have to think at some point, you really are just trolling us all.

 

[jbrown329]

Cable? This is hilarious. Living like kings? HaHa. Nobody said that. Oh boy. Everybody just deserves all the luxuries I guess. Is that about it? New wardrobes every season is a requirement too I'm sure. Get real.

When I moved, the fucking phone company didn't bother to tell me that my internet speed would drop from 7MB to 1.3MB. There is no faster speed from them where I now live. Watching ANY video was out. YouTube was out. I already knew at 7MB streaming CSPAN was not possible. That didn't bother me. I had rabbit ears and watched local over the air TV.

The only only other option was cable. Instead of $80+ a month for internet/phone with the phone company, I'm paying $180 for internet/TV/phone from the cable company. And it's a big burden to pay.

I rarely buy new clothes. Most of mine I get from thrift stores. I have 2 pairs of shoes. 1 are actually a couple sizes to big and I only slip them on to take the garbage out or get the mail. The other pair I've had for almost 2yrs. I paid $30 for them.

 

[jbrown329]

I have seen what used to be city or municipal jobs such as garbage truck workers go private. As city workers there were unions, benefits and retirement pensions.
On top of that, we had 3 men per truck, I driver and 2 men that emptied the cans into the truck, each would take one side of the street.

Now it's all been privatized, it's low pay work with a median income of about $15.00 per hour, now the real kicker on this is that it has gone from a 3 man crew to a one man truck, the driver pulls up every week jumps out, dumps the cans and moves the next spot where he does it all over again.

It is smelly, low pay, back breaking and thankless work, most folks don't hold garbage men in high esteem.

But, ask your self, how valuable would they be after missing their rounds for a few weeks. The trash piles up, the smell hovers around us, the flies and rats are having a good old time.

I think that perhaps garbage men after a month of this might be seen as more valuable and be more greatly appreciated.

Now some might say that the employers would just replace those who didn't come to work, I would tell you that not all are even capable of this kind of work, it is hard, dirty work.

$15.00 per hour is not a lot of money for this job.
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Garbage_Man/Hourly_Rate

Here they have a mechanism that picks the can up and dumps it in the truck. You no longer supply your own can, the city does. And it's one person per truck.

I've always appreciated what the garbage men do. But I'd never want that job.

 

[jbrown329]

Well don't fucking complain then your tax dollars go to the person making less than 20k a year needs public assistance to just have a place to live or food to eat. Or for their healthcare assistance.

Or are you still saying that they don't don't deserve a place to live or food to eat? Or to live at all.

I'm sure that they can find a soup kitchen or dumpster to eat out of. And there's probably a few bridges to live under. /snark

 

[jbrown329]

I understand what you're saying. I agree. If you want to raise a family you better be able to handle it financially. That is but one of many responsibilities that a family brings.

My mom and step-dad were married in 1969. He was a bartender. In 1973 they were able to buy a house. Granted, it wasn't 'uptown', but it was a house. He was able to support a family of four on what he made. That couldn't be done today. Not even close.

 

[TX-Beau]

My mom and step-dad were married in 1969. He was a bartender. In 1973 they were able to buy a house. Granted, it wasn't 'uptown', but it was a house. He was able to support a family of four on what he made. That couldn't be done today. Not even close.

The problem under all of this is that there has been a massive shift in wealth to the richest people - fronted by Republicans calling themselves "Conservatives," (which actually isn't "Conservative" at all) over the last forty years or so.

Now they pretend this is normal, when in fact we used to tax the fuck out of the rich in order to motivate them to put their cash back into the economy.

- - - Updated - - -

Nobody needs a bank account with billions of dollars in it.

 

[rareboy]

^ The reality is that people will still keep fucking and producing babies because in most states there is no affordable alternative thanks to the right wingers.

So the outcome is more and more families in poverty with a cycle of poverty related illnesses, poor schools, fewer opportunities and on and on.

Until the US really does take its place as a second world nation with an immensely rich 1% of 1% who hold all the wealth of the nation and staggering levels of child poverty.

With all the people blaming the next level or two below them for all the problems of society.

Sound familiar?

 

[TX-Beau]

I understand what you're saying. I agree. If you want to raise a family you better be able to handle it financially. That is but one of many responsibilities that a family brings.

Yeah, you should understand that when you say things like this, you sound like a condescending douchenozzle.

 

[TX-Beau]

^ The reality is that people will still keep fucking and producing babies because in most states there is no affordable alternative thanks to the right wingers.

So the outcome is more and more families in poverty with a cycle of poverty related illnesses, poor schools, fewer opportunities and on and on.

Until the US really does take its place as a second world nation with an immensely rich 1% of 1% who hold all the wealth of the nation and staggering levels of child poverty.

With all the people blaming the next level or two below them for all the problems of society.

Sound familiar?

I asked Hankerin1075 where people got their "special skills" upthread, didn't get a response. There are places in Texas where there is no Sex Ed, no Planned Parenthood, no access to anything that might educate people how to do family planning. All of which is because Republicans want sluts to be punished.

They also are fond of cutting education, lying in textbooks - undermining the education of everyone, trying to arm teachers who emphatically say they don't want guns, eliminating access to programs that help pay for tuition - raising tuition, and cutting programs like education for the incarcerated - even though the data says that recidivism for that program was far lower than the average - but of course criminals don't deserve handouts. Forget that stopping people from returning to criminal behavior is in everyone's best interest.

So yeah, you are born an American in the Rio Grande Valley, to a family of 10, there are no jobs, your schools are shitty, you have no healthcare 'cause the 'Pubs refuse to accommodate the Negro, the 'Pubs try every year to fuck you over and take the last little tiny bit of State aid you still get - how exactly are you supposed to get those "special skills" that make one worthy of haveing a decent life.

I find the idea that poor people should just suck it the fuck up or go get a better job, completely disgusting. Poor people shouldn't be poor people, we should ALL have a chance for a decent life, where someone else isn't shitting all over you while pretending TV is a luxury you don't deserve.