Hillary says she will help struggling Americans. Why Should We Believe that she would?

[TX-Beau]

BTW Congress STILL has the power to levy tariffs, they just don't want to!

 

[peeonme]

Of come on with the monolithic "government." That means nothing except give you a target to complain at.

IF you have a specific complaint about NAFTA or TPP what is it?

So what if some people are stupid, they aren't the ones outsourcing anything.

I never said anyone was stupid, some just don't have the aptitude to do skilled complicated work.
As for my complaints about our trade policies, I feel that I have made them abundantly clear in my prior posts on this thread.

 

[TX-Beau]

I never said anyone was stupid, some just don't have the aptitude to do skilled complicated work.
As for my complaints about our trade policies, I feel that I have made them abundantly clear in my prior posts on this thread.

No what you did was make some vague and amorphous complaints aimed at "Government" about Globalization. You didn't say anything specific except Blame Bill Clinton for it all, and you decided to bring up people who you are NOT calling stupid, but actually are, for some equally vague reason about what? Their jobs are gone so don't bother ejumacating them? I still have no idea what those people you aren't calling stupid have to do with Global Market trends anyway.

 

[Kabluey]

No what you did was make some vague and amorphous complaints aimed at "Government" about Globalization. You didn't say anything specific except Blame Bill Clinton for it all, and you decided to bring up people who you are NOT calling stupid, but actually are, for some equally vague reason about what? Their jobs are gone so don't bother ejumacating them? I still have no idea what those people you aren't calling stupid have to do with Global Market trends anyway.

He does have a point.
There are people like hankering who want to punish people for not being smart.
If you're not 'in demand' by their logic you deserve to suffer. Which is inhumane.

 

[Hankerin1075]

It simply sounds like you're a working class person (as are most people) who is glad to be able to look down upon poorer people (wanting to believe you're somehow better than them).

Hardly the same as being aspirational.

I'm not that type of person at all. I try not to look down on anyone. Heck, I'm not high up enough to do much of that if I wanted to. That's why I really appreciate those with a solid work ethic.

 

[TX-Beau]

He does have a point.
There are people like hankering who want to punish people for not being smart.
If you're not 'in demand' by their logic you deserve to suffer. Which is inhumane.

Sure, there are always people happy to feel good about themselves by sneering at the less fortunate. I'm just not sure what that has to do with Globalization.

 

[TX-Beau]

I'm not that type of person at all. I try not to look down on anyone. Heck, I'm not high up enough to do much of that if I wanted to. That's why I really appreciate those with a solid work ethic.

You try not to look down on anyone, and then you do it in the next sentence.

 

[gsdx]

I'm not that type of person at all. I try not to look down on anyone. Heck, I'm not high up enough to do much of that if I wanted to. That's why I really appreciate those with a solid work ethic.

It's too bad you don't understand that there are many who do what they must in order to support their families. It takes a very solid work ethic to wash dishes or deliver news papers if it helps puts food on the table.

 

[Hankerin1075]

It's too bad you don't understand that there are many who do what they must in order to support their families. It takes a very solid work ethic to wash dishes or deliver news papers if it helps puts food on the table.

I absolutely do understand that. I agree with the second part completely.

 

[Hankerin1075]

You try not to look down on anyone, and then you do it in the next sentence.

Huh? Not sure what you mean.

 

[Kabluey]

Huh? Not sure what you mean.

You don't appear to have too many people to look down upon, hence your need for there to be people who are doing worse than you.

Based on your comments here, you're not too bright, you don't earn much, but you seem to need to belittle others, kidding yourself they lack your work ethic or marketability, despite your own admitted reduction in pay relative to others through the years.

There was a study a few years back (can't remember where) where subjects were to choose whether they would prefer to be wealthy in a poor country, or middle class in a wealthy country. A large number choose the former. You'd be among them, I think.

Despite this, wealthy people in poor countries tend to have a lower standard of living than the average in wealthy countries.

Http://www.forbes.com/sites/anaswan...untry-or-poor-in-a-rich-country/#5512916417f3

Funny thing that self defeating behaviours can prevail, but you're a good example of why.

 

[jbrown329]

^^ Their shithole website doesn't work in my browser. Never has.

 

[Kabluey]

^^ Their shithole website doesn't work in my browser. Never has.

Probably the preload ad's fault. They don't like it blocked.

 

[Hankerin1075]

You don't appear to have too many people to look down upon, hence your need for there to be people who are doing worse than you.

Based on your comments here, you're not too bright, you don't earn much, but you seem to need to belittle others, kidding yourself they lack your work ethic or marketability, despite your own admitted reduction in pay relative to others through the years.

There was a study a few years back (can't remember where) where subjects were to choose whether they would prefer to be wealthy in a poor country, or middle class in a wealthy country. A large number choose the former. You'd be among them, I think.

Despite this, wealthy people in poor countries tend to have a lower standard of living than the average in wealthy countries.

Http://www.forbes.com/sites/anaswan...untry-or-poor-in-a-rich-country/#5512916417f3

Funny thing that self defeating behaviours can prevail, but you're a good example of why.

You are wrong about me, and just being mean at this point. you are running out of rope I guess.

 

[Hankerin1075]

I have stated nothing but love for those that try hard and work. I hate laziness and greed. I don't know how the heck my comments have turned into such a hot issue. We agree on almost everything, yet I'm getting beat up over small differences. Try to be a little more understanding.

 

[peeonme]

No what you did was make some vague and amorphous complaints aimed at "Government" about Globalization. You didn't say anything specific except Blame Bill Clinton for it all, and you decided to bring up people who you are NOT calling stupid, but actually are, for some equally vague reason about what? Their jobs are gone so don't bother ejumacating them? I still have no idea what those people you aren't calling stupid have to do with Global Market trends anyway.

1."]No what you did was make some vague and amorphous complaints aimed at "Government" about Globalization. You didn't say anything specific except Blame Bill Clinton for it all,"

I hold Clinton accountable for being the chief executive officer of the United States that signed into these trade deals, deals that were beneficial to foreign countries and big business and put Americans out of work, the group that I named specifically were the non-skilled workers, this group found themselves doing work that high school kids used to do, such as fast food.

2."you decided to bring up people who you are NOT calling stupid, but actually are"

Again, I never said that they were stupid. These were people who were in no position, had no skill set or ability to just "move on" to a new career path.

3. "I still have no idea what those people you aren't calling stupid have to do with Global Market trends anyway."

Global market trends as you call it is a fancy way to say out sourcing, when companies that employed American workers found that they had access to cheap foreign labor American workers were dropped like a hot potato. Our shores were flooded with inferior goods and the money went to places like China.

I fully understand that times and economies change, we went from agrarian to manufacturing, life improved for many when this happened.
It wasn't as though the farms closed, moved away and those who made a living had no place to go.
No, one replaced the other.

Nothing has replaced our manufacturing industry. Due to global or free trade the standard of living for most Americans has fallen, those hurt the worst were just the average employee, the ones that you accuse me of calling "stupid".
You call them stupid, to me they are average people, who have become the working poor in our nation.

I am not campaigning for or against anyone in my posts in this thread, but, if Clinton signed NAFTA, GATT, MFNTS with China then he owns it.

This is the same guy that ended welfare, signed DOMA and DADT.

He would have made one hell of a republican.

 

[jbrown329]

Probably the preload ad's fault. They don't like it blocked.

I have AdblockPlus disabled for their site. I then temporarily allow all with NoScript. Still doesn't work.

 

[peeonme]

Then you tell shitholes like China that if they manipulate their fucking currency NOTHING they fucking produce will cross our borders. The largest economy in the world won't take their cheap poisoned shit. If it weren't for fucking trade deals, China would still be a 4th world nation. Living in mud huts.

This has been my complaint, China did not build a better mouse trap and beat us at our own game. Like it or not Japan built cars that US drivers liked and took over a good share of the market, all China did was pimp out it's work force.

 

[Kabluey]

I have stated nothing but love for those that try hard and work. I hate laziness and greed. I don't know how the heck my comments have turned into such a hot issue. We agree on almost everything, yet I'm getting beat up over small differences. Try to be a little more understanding.

You act hurt after happily condemning people for not doing as well as you.
You're really just a bully with class anxiety.

 

[Hankerin1075]

You act hurt after happily condemning people for not doing as well as you.
You're really just a bully with class anxiety.

That's just rediculous. I'm in the same class. You are really running out of exits plans. Nothing I've said condemns the hard working people.