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Hillary says she will help struggling Americans. Why Should We Believe that she would?

rareboy said:
Jesus wept.

You just refuse to get it.

They don't have to be high paying jobs. But every job of 40 hours per week should pay a living wage. And there's no reason why they shouldn't.
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You don't get it. I'm in reality and you are in fantasyland. It doesn't matter if it's full time or part time. There are some jobs that just don't pay a whole lot. That's just a fact of life. Jesus indeed weeps.
 
rareboy said:
Jesus wept.

You just refuse to get it.

They don't have to be high paying jobs. But every job of 40 hours per week should pay a living wage. And there's no reason why they shouldn't.
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What defines a job that isn't high paying but is a "livable" wage anyway?
 
rareboy said:
Jesus wept.

You just refuse to get it.

They don't have to be high paying jobs. But every job of 40 hours per week should pay a living wage. And there's no reason why they shouldn't.
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It seems that there should be an honest index to refer to and see what a true living wage would be, I read in one of you prior posts in this thread (I believe) where you listed the costs of living, such as housing food, utilities etc.

It is all to obvious that the minimum wage as it now stands is not enough to live on.
IMO, in a perfect world and a healthy economy the need or demand for workers should be high enough to produce a healthy wage, at one time it did.

I agree totally that if a person works 40 per week they should not live in poverty or be dependent on government programs.
We supplement Walmart by allowing them to pay so low that their employees qualify for food stamps.
 
peeonme said:
It seems that there should be an honest index to refer to and see what a true living wage would be, I read in one of you prior posts in this thread (I believe) where you listed the costs of living, such as housing food, utilities etc.

It is all to obvious that the minimum wage as it now stands is not enough to live on.
IMO, in a perfect world and a healthy economy the need or demand for workers should be high enough to produce a healthy wage, at one time it did.

I agree totally that if a person works 40 per week they should not live in poverty or be dependent on government programs.
We supplement Walmart by allowing them to pay so low that their employees qualify for food stamps.
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It is absurd to think that in a healthy economy, there would always be high enough to pay an infinite influx of new workers enough to live well. The better we pay, the more will come. The more we supplement, the more will come. Nor can all jobs support what you consider a living wage. Not every job is worth that. Requiring will cause jobs to be eliminated. And, employees cannot consistently hire the most qualified person without being sued for giscriminigation. And pay for workers can never be enough to satisfy liberals. They will always insist that it be more.
 
Benvolio said:
It is absurd to think that in a healthy economy, there would always be high enough to pay an infinite influx of new workers enough to live well. The better we pay, the more will come. The more we supplement, the more will come. Nor can all jobs support what you consider a living wage. Not every job is worth that. Requiring will cause jobs to be eliminated. And, employees cannot consistently hire the most qualified person without being sued for giscriminigation. And pay for workers can never be enough to satisfy liberals. They will always insist that it be more.
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1."It is absurd to think that in a healthy economy, there would always be high enough to pay an infinite influx of new workers enough to live well".

One reason we need some control over legal and illegal immigrants is to keep a balance in our labor market, but, whether it is by them coming to the work or by the work being sent to them, the law of supply and demand kicks in and the worker becomes devalued by virtue of the supply of workers.

2."The better we pay, the more will come. The more we supplement, the more will come."

Please read the above comment.

3." The more we supplement, the more will come. Nor can all jobs support what you consider a living wage. Not every job is worth that"

If a job does not pay enough to live on, then it is not worth doing, period.

4." Requiring will cause jobs to be eliminated. And, employees cannot consistently hire the most qualified person without being sued for giscriminigation.

I said in a healthy economy, that would be a sovereign nation with control over both the goods and the people that it imports. There would be no need to "require" in a healthy economy.

In the old days, all Americans ate from the same pie, it was a dynamic economy, as it grew there was always enough for everyone who did a days work.
As the labor force grew the pie grew with it, some had larger slices, it was up to the individual to work for the bigger piece.

In theory, we still have a dynamic pie, but in reality we don't. As the pie grows a large portion goes over seas to the countries where the goods that grew the pie were produced.
So the pie that we see in America in reality has become static, it remains the same size, by virtue of this the slices become smaller as the labor force grows.

We need to keep the pie in America and quit borrowing slices of it back from China to supplement low wage jobs.
 
Hankerin1075 said:
There are some jobs that just don't pay a whole lot. That's just a fact of life.
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Are you referring to jobs that are subject to minimum wage laws?
 
eastofeden said:
Almost none in Silicon Valley.....

A teacher can't even afford to rent an apartment.....much less EVER buy a home....
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I am one that thinks a quality teacher is almost priceless. My little brother is a high school teacher. He loves it. He's not doing it for the money. I would love to see him and others like him paid more. Location makes a huge difference as well, obviously. I'd be really struggling out there too.
 
I guess "livable" is a regional thing. There can be no real standard nationwide. Good money here is crap there, etc.
 
Hillary Clinton takes money from the people who sold the American dream down the river.
 
Hankerin1075 said:
I'm just making an obvious statement. There are some folks here that think everybody and every job warrants 50K a year.
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It is not unreasonable to mandate a minimum hourly rate. The employer is tasked to create jobs that provide a benefit to the company that is greater than minimum wage. This relates to “some jobs just don’t pay a whole lot.” And it begs an obvious question.

Are you referring to jobs that fall under the provisions of minimum wage laws?
 
opinterph said:
It is not unreasonable to mandate a minimum hourly rate. The employer is tasked to create jobs that provide a benefit to the company that is greater than minimum wage. This relates to “some jobs just don’t pay a whole lot.” And it begs an obvious question.

Are you referring to jobs that fall under the provisions of minimum wage laws?
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My statement applies to any job. Pulling weeds for your neighbor ain't gonna pay much. its just an obvious generalization that has gotten blown out of proportion here.
 
Well, you should check out WinCo Foods.

Millionaire Grocery Clerks: The Amazing WinCo Foods Story
In Corvallis, Oregon, a couple miles north of the Oregon State University campus, sits a WinCo Foods discount supermarket and, unless you’re in need of groceries, you might drive by without noticing it. I assure you, however, it’s an extraordinary building, a laboratory of capitalism worthy of pilgrimages by the world’s great business schools.

Inside the store labor 130 employees of WinCo – grocery clerks, shelf stockers, display builders, bakery workers – and their combined retirement savings roughly comes to an astounding $100 million. And that figure is growing rapidly, such that in a few years the average wealth of these employees could easily exceed $1 million. Quite a few individual workers already have account balances above that level.
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Forbes
 
Hankerin1075 said:
Pulling weeds for your neighbor ain't gonna pay much. its just an obvious generalization that has gotten blown out of proportion here.
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No, it's an "obvious generalization" that YOU have blown out of proportion. Pulling weeds for a neighbour might not pay much, but it if puts food on the table that night, it pays enough.

Nothing is menial if it is necessary.

And you still believe that a housekeeper in a 1-bedroom apartment should get paid the same wages as a housekeeper in a luxury hotel.
 
opinterph said:
It is not unreasonable to mandate a minimum hourly rate. The employer is tasked to create jobs that provide a benefit to the company that is greater than minimum wage. This relates to “some jobs just don’t pay a whole lot.” And it begs an obvious question.

Are you referring to jobs that fall under the provisions of minimum wage laws?
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Conversely, the employer must eliminate jobs which do not provide a benefit greater than the minimum wage. Those ex-employees and the other unemployeds and everyone else, will pay higher prices resuting from the raise in wages.
 
gsdx said:
No, it's an "obvious generalization" that YOU have blown out of proportion. Pulling weeds for a neighbour might not pay much, but it if puts food on the table that night, it pays enough.

Nothing is menial if it is necessary.

And you still believe that a housekeeper in a 1-bedroom apartment should get paid the same wages as a housekeeper in a luxury hotel.
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There are all kinds of necessary menial jobs. Look up the meaning of the word. I have no problem with a housekeeper making whatever money they can, just saying that particular line of work in general does not pay the same as more technically challenging fields. And it shouldn't. It makes perfect sense(I spelled it right this time LOL).
 
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