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Hillary says she will help struggling Americans. Why Should We Believe that she would?

Hankerin1075 said:
There are all kinds of necessary menial jobs. Look up the meaning of the word. I have no problem with a housekeeper making whatever money they can, just saying that particular line of work in general does not pay the same as more technically challenging fields. And it shouldn't. It makes perfect sense(I spelled it right this time LOL).
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But any line of work should pay enough to live on.
You're the only one saying that means grandly. Everyone else means not forcing the tax payer to subsidise them to address the effects of poverty or requiring the employees to go into debt in order to function in society (housing, heating, food, health, etc).
 
Kabluey said:
But any line of work should pay enough to live on.
You're the only one saying that means grandly. Everyone else means not forcing the tax payer to subsidise them to address the effects of poverty or requiring the employees to go into debt in order to function in society (housing, heating, food, health, etc).
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Every job? I don't see how that is possible. It's a nice thought. There are many types of work that will never pay much. It's just a reality in the world. I'm not saying I like it. It's just reality. I'm trying to talk about reality here, not a dreamland where everybody makes all they need all the time. I think This is where our differences come from. I've been talking about the way things are, but you and others are talking about what you wish would happen. Now I can see why we are butting heads.
 
Hankerin1075 said:
Every job? I don't see how that is possible. It's a nice though. There are many types of work that will never pay much. It's just a reality in the world. I'm not saying I like it. It's just reality. I'm trying to talk about reality here, not a dreamland where everybody makes all they need all the time. I think This is where our differences come from. I've been talking about the way things are, but you and others are talking about what you wish would happen. Now I can see why we are butting heads.
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You're talking about the way you prefer things to be.
Don't back off all of a sudden blaming others. This is what you have been saying.
 
Hankerin1075 said:
There are all kinds of necessary menial jobs. Look up the meaning of the word. I have no problem with a housekeeper making whatever money they can, just saying that particular line of work in general does not pay the same as more technically challenging fields. And it shouldn't. It makes perfect sense(I spelled it right this time LOL).
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Walmart doesn't pay benefits. They pay shit for wages. They teach employees how to sign up for public assistance.

How low-wage employers cost taxpayers $153B a year
Here's a stark number for understanding how low-wage employers are relying on the kindness of taxpayers: $153 billion.

That's the annual bill that state and federal governments are footing for working families making poverty-level wages at big corporations such as Walmart and McDonald's, according to a new study from the University of California Berkeley Labor Center. Because these workers are paid so little, they are increasingly turning to government aid programs such as food stamps to keep them from dire poverty, the study found.
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CBS News

Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance
Walmart’s low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing, according to a report published to coincide with Tax Day, April 15.
Forbes
 
Kabluey said:
You're talking about the way you prefer things to be.
Don't back off all of a sudden blaming others. This is what you have been saying.
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No, I'm talking about the real world. Read the post you quoted. I'm not blaming others. You are blaming people including me.
 
jbrown329 said:
Walmart doesn't pay benefits. They pay shit for wages. They teach employees how to sign up for public assistance.

How low-wage employers cost taxpayers $153B a year
CBS News

Report: Walmart Workers Cost Taxpayers $6.2 Billion In Public Assistance
Walmart’s low-wage workers cost U.S. taxpayers an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance including food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing, according to a report published to coincide with Tax Day, April 15.
Forbes
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I'm aware of that. I don't go to Wally World because of this. I don't know what it has to do with my post.
 
jbrown329 said:
How low-wage employers cost taxpayers $153B a year
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Interesting. The Walton brothers are worth almost that much.

The six Waltons on Forbes’ list of wealthiest Americans have a net worth of $144.7 billion. This fiscal year three Waltons—Rob, Jim, and Alice (and the various entities that they control)—will receive an estimated $3.1 billion in Walmart dividends from their majority stake in the company.

The Waltons aren’t just the face of the 1%; they’re the face of the 0.000001%. The Waltons have more wealth than 42% of American families combined.
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http://walmart1percent.org/family/
 
Okay, here's a simple question. If an EMT makes about 15/hr, how much should a McDonalds employee expect to make? I'm talking about my old job. Flipping burgers and cooking fries.
 
If we didn't give food stamps and welfare to Wal Mart employees, WM would have to pay more. But the socialists/democrats want everyone dependent upon them.
 
^ Funny, that. Walmart has been around a lot longer than Obama and Clinton. So, did any of the Republicans cancel the food stamps and welfare programs for Wal-Mart empoyees over the half-century that Wal-Mart has been around?
 
gsdx said:
^ Funny, that. Walmart has been around a lot longer than Obama and Clinton. So, did any of the Republicans cancel the food stamps and welfare programs for Wal-Mart empoyees over the half-century that Wal-Mart has been around?
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Dems would filibuster any attempt to end the programs, but they will squawk.
 
Benvolio said:
If we didn't give food stamps and welfare to Wal Mart employees, WM would have to pay more. But the socialists/democrats want everyone dependent upon them.
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No they fucking wouldn't. Their employees would live in boxes under a fucking bridge and eat out of dumpsters. Get a fucking clue. And quit sucking the wealthy people's assholes.
 
So is the real problem stagnant wages at higher pay grades? A burger flipper and the guys that save your life shouldn't be payed the same.
 
Hankerin1075 said:
So is the real problem stagnant wages at higher pay grades? A burger flipper and the guys that save your life shouldn't be payed the same.
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I notice you still don't give a shit about the burger flipper. So you want to....raise those stagnant wages for the higher pay grades. Right. I can see why people gave the fuck up.
 
luckynumbah7 said:
I notice you still don't give a shit about the burger flipper. So you want to....raise those stagnant wages for the higher pay grades. Right. I can see why people gave the fuck up.
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Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if the flipper makes 13-14 what should the EMT make? Tell me what you think. I never said I don't care about anyone. I flipped my share back in the day. What should the EMT make in a world where flippers make said wage? Simple question.
 
Hankerin1075 said:
Not what I'm saying. I'm saying that if the flipper makes 13-14 what should the EMT make? Tell me what you think. I never said I don't care about anyone. I flipped my share back in the day. What should the EMT make in a world where flippers make said wage? Simple question.
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Simple answer EVERYONE should make a living wage.
 
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